Flordia Wing Winter Encampment

[a2capt]

Yeah, that's nice. Call the cadets, or anyone doolie at any activity I'm involved with and I'll be sure to duly show you the door. Call it BS and I'll folly it with paperwork to another two letter department.

You're right, this is not the military.

[BillB]

At my first encampment as a cadet, I was called Doolie. And that was 1947. The Air Force Academy calls First year cadets; Doolie. Historically for over 50 years 1st year encampment Cadets have been called Doolie When the comment that calling a cadet at encampment Doolie was first raised, I asked cadets about it. I asked if they thought it was demeaning. Of the 25 I talked to, 25 said No! Is this a case of Senior Members attempting to put their opinions and addressing problems that don't exist?

[Stonewall]

I agree that the term "doolie" is not hazing nor is it demeaning.  I was called a doolie and thought it was cool.  Not sure where the term came from and I don't care.  I think it's no different than the USNA calling their new guys plebes.

My point is that a FLWG encampment is not weak, lame or soft simply because they can't call someone a doolie.  And any cadet that's still in the CAP program certainly doesn't have enough experience to say anything was tougher than something else.

[davidsinn]

I agree that the term "doolie" is not hazing nor is it demeaning.  I was called a doolie and thought it was cool.  Not sure where the term came from and I don't care.  I think it's no different than the USNA calling their new guys plebes.

My point is that a FLWG encampment is not weak, lame or soft simply because they can't call someone a doolie.  And any cadet that's still in the CAP program certainly doesn't have enough experience to say anything was tougher than something else.

The only non derogatory definitions I could find on the web merely state that a doolie is a freshman at USAFA. Thus the term is meant to be derogatory.

[yeahididthat]

Ok I'm not a dam troll [redacted by mod]! Its tradition, and according to regs I can't say yes sergeant when addressed while in a flight, also I can call a cadet colonel a cadet instead of sir. (according to regs that is) Also cadets don't shine their boots, according to regs boots must be shined to a high gloss, so do we pick and choose regs we want to follow?! I have never seen a doolie (sorry a CADET) with high gloss boots.

[yeahididthat]

At my first encampment as a cadet, I was called Doolie. And that was 1947. The Air Force Academy calls First year cadets; Doolie. Historically for over 50 years 1st year encampment Cadets have been called Doolie When the comment that calling a cadet at encampment Doolie was first raised, I asked cadets about it. I asked if they thought it was demeaning. Of the 25 I talked to, 25 said No! Is this a case of Senior Members attempting to put their opinions and addressing problems that don't exist?

THANK YOU, some one with some brain power left after the political correcting of CAP.

[Stonewall]

Ok I'm not a dam troll so STFU ok?! Its tradition, and according to regs I can't say yes sergeant when addressed while in a flight, also I can call a cadet colonel a cadet instead of sir. (according to regs that is) Also cadets don't shine their boots, according to regs boots must be shined to a high gloss, so do we pick and choose regs we want to follow?! I have never seen a doolie (sorry a CADET) with high gloss boots.

In the other thread you said you want to go to PJOC...

I am going to apply [to PJOC] this year; I hear if you don't pass PT they send you home.

Yes.  Please do.  And please, tell the PJOC cadre to STFU. 

I see you getting booted off this site real soon with that pathetic display of immaturity, disrespect and wanna-be bad ass attitude.

[Extremepredjudice]

Ok I'm not a dam troll so STFU ok?! Its tradition, and according to regs I can't say yes sergeant when addressed while in a flight, also I can call a cadet colonel a cadet instead of sir. (according to regs that is) Also cadets don't shine their boots, according to regs boots must be shined to a high gloss, so do we pick and choose regs we want to follow?! I have never seen a doolie (sorry a CADET) with high gloss boots.

You are quoting the wrong regs. You only have to shine your boots when wearing them with your blues.

It is tradition in a lot of sports teams to haze new people. Is that ok?

I'd be amazed if this guy gets to PJOC. Even more amazed if he graduates.

[a2capt]

Be more amazed if he makes his next review board.

My point with the doolie thing isn't so much as demeaning, as that is not what the program is about. There is enough stress and hassle going on at encampment for first time attendees, particularly basics, that they don't need more.

[DBlair]

They have become a bunch of BS with all the hazing policies, I understand we are not the military, but we wear AF uniforms we are not the boy scouts. The first year cadets at the academy are called doolies. No where in the regs does it say I cannot call a cadet a doolie.

1) Admittedly, hazing policies have changed since those in the 1990s and before, and while many may not agree with them, (like them or not) they are the official organizational policy across the entire country-- not just FL.

2) Yes, CAP wears a military uniform, but that doesn't in itself mean that CAP is thereby supposed to be Full Metal Jacket in organizational culture.

3) As mentioned previously, CAP is not the BSA and is an apples and oranges comparison. Also, while you are here bashing the BSA, if you opened your eyes, you'd see that there are a lot of things CAP is lacking when compared to the BSA. Before you continue using BSA as a punchline, perhaps you should open your eyes to the reality of each organization.

4) Civil Air Patrol is not the United States Air Force Academy.

5) Regarding CAP Regulations, if you were to be proficient in the relevant materials, you'd know where this is spelled out and what can/cannot be done.


Overall, your logic is weak with each argument being full of logical fallacies. It seems you are a member who has something against FLWG Encampment. Perhaps a Cadet sore about not getting a staff position? I suggest you step back, take a deep breath, learn more about CAP (including what it is and what it is not), and then if CAP is still something you feel is for you, work hard to progress and excel and perhaps you'll eventually get the staff position you wanted.

Ok I'm not a dam troll so STFU ok?! Its tradition, and according to regs I can't say yes sergeant when addressed while in a flight, also I can call a cadet colonel a cadet instead of sir. (according to regs that is) Also cadets don't shine their boots, according to regs boots must be shined to a high gloss, so do we pick and choose regs we want to follow?! I have never seen a doolie (sorry a CADET) with high gloss boots.

Cadet-- Before addressing the rest of your comments, I believe you need to stop for a moment, take a deep breath, adjust your attitude, and approach this situation in a different (and much more respectful) manner. This site provides a relaxed environment, but do not take that to mean it is appropriate for you to tell anyone to STFU-- especially with many of us being in CAP longer than you've been alive, not to mention the respect and courtesy due Senior Members/Officers. You comments show a problematic attitude, lack of organizational knowledge/experience, and a very bad and closed-minded approach.

To address some of your other comments... a SM can address a Cadet of any grade as "Cadet" or can opt to use the Cadet's Grade, such as "C/Col" in addressing him/her. Cadets should be addressing other Cadets by their Cadet Grade, and Sir/Ma'am as appropriate, not as "Cadet" when it is between Cadets. If you have never seen a Cadet with highly-polished boots, then I wonder how active you are, and it makes me curious about the relaxed-mindset of your unit. If none of the Cadets shine their boots, I ask you, why don't they/you? (Feel free to send me a PM, as I'd love to know to which FLWG unit you belong.)

[NCRblues]

This argument if WE think it is hazing or not does not matter at all...

It only takes one cadet to FEEL that he/she was hazed and BAM its hazing...

Have a nice argument troll....

[titanII]

IIRC "doolie" is derived from the Greek "doulos" meaning slave or servant. By that, I think that it's demeaning. But on the other hand, I doubt that most people are thinking "slave" when they call someone "doolie." They're probably just thinking "basic cadet." It's all in how you interpret it.