Boonie Cover

[c/LTCOLorbust]

I have been told that in ES and SAR training and missions you are able to wear a boonie cover(hat) does any one know for sure and have the reg on this subject?

[arajca]

NEC approved it three yearas ago. AF shot it down. Boonies are not authorized. Reference CAPM 39-1 for uniform headgear. CAPM 39-1 also states that it (CAPM 39-1) is sole source for uniform wear.

[DNall]

^ That's right... yet Wg CCs put out supplements that allow/require dif headgear. Cali for instance w/ the Sq numbered ball caps. I wonder if a Wg CC could issue boonies as authorized optional safety gear for GTs in sunny conditions at IC discression? It'd have to be approved by NHQ, not AF, and I find it hard to believe they could shoot that down, or that AF could object under the circumstances it's written.

[mikeylikey]

I will venture to ask why we need boonies.  I have heard alot of people say because of sunburn or to keep the sun out of your eyes.  My ansewer........wear a ball cap and put sunscreen on.  Thats how simple it is!

[DNall]

The standard cover & sunscreen has always been fine for me. Others make a point about it, and frankly there are heat/sun conditions down south here where the reg may not provide for adequate protection & optimal performance. There's no problem with guard troops wearing one on the same mission with us, so it shouldn't be an issue for CAP. The AF is just concerned with it being abused.

[arajca]

The standard cover & sunscreen has always been fine for me. Others make a point about it, and frankly there are heat/sun conditions down south here where the reg may not provide for adequate protection & optimal performance. There's no problem with guard troops wearing one on the same mission with us, so it shouldn't be an issue for CAP. The AF is just concerned with it being abused.

The NEC approved it as a safety issue. The AF didn't agree and said so. Wing commanders are authorized in CAPM 39-1 to authorize unit base ball caps.

[MIKE]

You can only authorize what you are authorized to authorize.

[JohnKachenmeister]

I keep one in my survival gear.  Call me a rebel.

[Chris Jacobs]

here in oregon they keep the rain from running down your neck.

[MIKE]

Just as a general comment, I like the looks of the desert style HAT, SUN, HOT WEATHER better than the woodland one I've got... The desert pattern ones have a somewhat shorter brim and don't have the camoing tape on 'em.

This:


As opposed to this:

[DNall]

The NEC approved it as a safety issue. The AF didn't agree and said so. Wing commanders are authorized in CAPM 39-1 to authorize unit base ball caps.

Okay, I wasn't aware of that. I was under the impression it was requested as an optional uniform item, not safety gear like a protective helmet. My now auth goretex keeps the rain from running down my neck.

[mikeylikey]

here in oregon they keep the rain from running down your neck.

So does a poncho.  Your reasoning fails.  Next!

[JohnKachenmeister]

Mine is my old jungle hat from when I was in Honduras with the Army.  It isn't camo., it's solid OD green.  I also have my subdued oak leaf on it.  If you're gonna violate a regulation, be proud of it!

Chicks dig guys who break the rules.

[lordmonar]

here in oregon they keep the rain from running down your neck.

So does a poncho.  Your reasoning fails.  Next!

Well seeing how 39-1 does not mention poncho's either...I guess we can't wear them either!

[Psicorp]

here in oregon they keep the rain from running down your neck.

So does a poncho.  Your reasoning fails.  Next!

Well seeing how 39-1 does not mention poncho's either...I guess we can't wear them either!

Just wait...they'll both be authorized before too long...in CAP Blue, just because the AF said "no".

[MIKE]

Ooooh... Feel the burn. 

[Pylon]

I always love these arguments.  "I wear [insert bling of the moment here] because it's a safety issue and so I can parade around wearing whatever uniform I want in the name of safety."  (as if the rest of CAP was running around completely unsafe for years without whatever unauthorized uniform accessory you've got)

[DNall]

Sure.  Yeah I really don't care about this item. Some people feel strongly about it & make a decent safety case for it. I symapthize. I live in a place where heat/sun safety is always on your mind & bigger threat than the spinny thing on the front of the plane. We had four athletes between 14 & 18 die in 6wks earlier this fall, all heat related in some form or other. It's hard for me to look at their argument & say there's no merit there, not when the I've seen guard commanders mandate the same item in the same conditions for that purpose. I don't want the thing authorized for regular wear (abused) & I don't want to go the underhanded route to get it cleared for the right conditions. I just think it's alegit case to make to AF w/a  good ORM behind it & if they say it's not worth the percieved down side, then ask them why not & try to mitigate, then if they say no then it's no.

[MattPHS2002]

I know I've probably come across as a proper $@@ in another thread but I have to ask, whats wrong with solid orange (the non mesh) baseball hats? Personally I'm not a fan of hats to begin with and when I get a hat I don't mind wearing I hate changing it.

[mikeylikey]

I know I've probably come across as a proper $@@ in another thread but I have to ask, whats wrong with solid orange (the non mesh) baseball hats? Personally I'm not a fan of hats to begin with and when I get a hat I don't mind wearing I hate changing it.

That orange crap is a crazy Pennsylvania Hawk Mountain throwback.  For years PA has tried to say they will only wear orange hats because of safety.  I have only heard the military laugh at members as they parade around in thier orange hats.  Not to mention that hat is more expensive than the patrol cover.