CAPP 50-10 NEW HORIZONS GUIDE FOR CADET TO SENIOR MEMBER TRANSITION

[exFlight Officer]

Fresh from eServices.

http://members.gocivilairpatrol.com/media/cms/P050_010_14736E2A099A7.pdf

[DakRadz]

 

Did you look at the uniforms they're wearing on the front cover???

[vento]

Did you look at the uniforms they're wearing on the front cover???

Did you have to turn this into an uniform thread so early in the game? 

[DakRadz]

I had to get this out of the way:

THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THEM!!!! GO NHQ!!! GO CAP!!! GO JOEYBAGODONUTS MEMBER WHO PROBABLY HELPED EDIT THIS!!

[FARRIER]

They forgot to add in there that Senior Members will consume black coffee with a plate of fries.

[Paul Creed III]

Uniform infractions on the front cover. (sigh)

[Phil Hirons, Jr.]

Uniform infractions on the front cover. (sigh)

Maybe I've not finished my morning coffee (with cream, thank you) but I can't spot an infraction.

[Paul Creed III]

The position of the 2nd Lt's flight cap: it goes on the left-side of the person and the top of the cap is even with the belt, not above it.

[ßτε]

The position of the 2nd Lt's flight cap: it goes on the left-side of the person and the top of the cap is even with the belt, not above it.

CAPM 39-1 states that the flight cap may be tucked on either side and it does not specify that it will be even with the belt, just that it will not fold over the belt.

[Phil Hirons, Jr.]

This pulls a lot of material together from a good number of regulations. (It did miss one of my favorite multi-reg facts. How is it I wear a silver star on my Earhart ribbon?)

A lot of cadets leave and never return with a lot of skill sets we could use.  Just putting a transition plan on paper is a giant step forward.

[Hawk200]

The position of the 2nd Lt's flight cap: it goes on the left-side of the person...

This a myth that I keep seeing. Publications exist for a reason. People need to read them and quit trying to run CAP through a "somebody told me" method of operation.

...and the top of the cap is even with the belt, not above it.

I think that is what is implied by the manual. In the Air Force, I was always taught that it does not go above the top of the belt. It may be legal to wear it the way shown, but it looks sloppy.

Overall, they should delete the picture. I can appreciate "real world" setting photos, but not when the people in them look like this.

The pamphlet seems to have some pretty good info. However, I thought National was going to do updating on the oldest pubs first, then start worrying about making new ones. This doesn't seem in line with that idea.

[Bobble]

Personally, I think they did a great job in putting this document out, it brings together a lot of information.  I only have two items for discussion:

1) I think they should have included Training Leaders of Cadets (TLC) in the "Definitions and Resources" section.  Or did I miss it somewhere?

2) The "Advanced Promotion" section referencing CAPR 50-17 with the passage stating "..., the graph below shows what you might qualify for:".  It probably would be better to state those qualifications clearly -

CAPR 35-05
SECTION G - FLIGHT OFFICER GRADES
7-4. Promotion Eligibility Requirements.
a. General.
(3) Leadership qualities. Individuals recommended for promotion to flight officer grade must be occupying positions of supervision or leadership within the unit.

Personally, I have seen instances where cadets believed that it was an automatic changeover to FO grade after their 18th birthday if they so requested, even though they had spent a significant amount of time (6 months or more) prior to their request with no progression in the program and no contributions to the squadron.  It led to some hard feelings after the above passage was discussed.

[Paul Creed III]

Yes, my bad. My home unit standardizes on the wear of the flight cap on the left and even with the belt so all of the unit members are... uniform. Then again, I have never seen any USAF wear the cap on the right or sloppily (in my opinion) above the belt. Makes for a much better appearance to have it neatly line up with the belt.

Since this is my first venture into a uniform thread, I will return to my cave now.

[JC004]

What the heck happened to cause this to be added?

NOTE: No version of this publication may be used by outside organizations or entities without the express written consent of NHQ CAP/PD.

[Eclipse]

What the heck happened to cause this to be added?

NOTE: No version of this publication may be used by outside organizations or entities without the express written consent of NHQ CAP/PD.

Probably just boilerplate, I can't imagine too much in this is applicable outside CAP.

As to the photo, nothing makes a document's cover pop! like stacked banquets chairs as the focal point, but I don't see anything wrong with the uniforms.

[Bluelakes 13]

Since this is my first venture into a uniform thread, I will return to my cave now.

Paul, if you are going to make uniform corrections here, make sure you check, double check, and triple check your regs.  They are merciless here.  And have the reg cite in the clipboard to paste at a second's notice.

You've been warned!   

[Bluelakes 13]

I had to get this out of the way:

THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THEM!!!! GO NHQ!!! GO CAP!!! GO JOEYBAGODONUTS MEMBER WHO PROBABLY HELPED EDIT THIS!!

Cadet,

Lighten up.  And may I suggest a brief refresher of CAPP 50-2.

[coudano]

That's such a good intro to senior membership i'm going to show it to all of my new senior members and be like "ignore the former cadet specific stuff"

[DakRadz]

I had to get this out of the way:

THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THEM!!!! GO NHQ!!! GO CAP!!! GO JOEYBAGODONUTS MEMBER WHO PROBABLY HELPED EDIT THIS!!

Cadet,

Lighten up.  And may I suggest a brief refresher of CAPP 50-2.

Lighten up? Heh?

I was being thankful and appreciative that NHQ got a picture in which the members looked pretty dang good.

Regardless of the little nitpicks, this is far better a picture than what I've seen in our Manual on actually wearing the uniforms. I think this is a great effort by our National level folks- I also think that the average member was involved, and Joeybagodonuts is a name that my JROTC instructors use (Everyman, Anyman type deal) to generalize about something, not an insult.

Core Values? I congratulate our leadership on a job well done and I'm not following our Core Values?

I also wanted to get the uniform part out of the way so that this evolves back to the original content, as opposed to devolving to a uniform debate.

I think we may have just got our wires crossed the wrong way, but regardless these were my intentions. Hopefully this clears things up?

[EMT-83]

After all, the photo could have been senior members wearing polo shirts, with coffee and donuts.