Is It Possible To Be A Member In Two Squadrons ?

Started by exFlight Officer, October 04, 2010, 06:15:56 AM

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BillB

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Mot True.  Whe I was Wing DCP, I had several cadets on Wing staff assigned to FL-001. They were able to progress through the cadet program by taking achievement tests at Wing, or a Squadron. While they were in various Wing Staff assistant positions, they visited Squadrons in their home areas to mentor cadets or provide advise to Cadet Staffs. Keep in mind that when one of the Wing Staff Cadets visited a Squadron, they did so with the Squadron Commanders approval.
A Wing Headquarters level Squadron was formed, FL-002 to have Flights at several of the states Universities. This allowed the cadets while in college to remain active in CAP. Within an 18 month period, it produced more Spaatz Awards than the rest of the Region combined. (cadets were from various Wings and Regions besides from Florida.)
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FW

Quote from: Eclipse on October 05, 2010, 05:23:36 AM
Quote from: IceNine on October 05, 2010, 04:56:20 AMYou are not considered a member at 2 squadrons you are considered a member at KS125 with a job at Wing HQ.

Wing HQ's are not operational units, they are Headquarters components.  As such they do not operate in the way that a cadet needs...

Actually, that is not true.  The Wing "001" unit is the operational unit of a wing.  It is from this unit, all authority flows.  As it's unit commander is the corporate officer, it may perform any duty for, it is possible (however improbable), this could be the only unit in the wing.  (I won't bore you with details of phones ringing at 3am from AFRCC) ::)

It is the wing/cc's responsibility to see that cadets assigned to the "001" unit progress.  I am sure that logistical problem was long ago solved by the KSWG.

Eclipse

Quote from: FW on October 05, 2010, 11:06:25 AMActually, that is not true.  The Wing "001" unit is the operational unit of a wing.  It is from this unit, all authority flows.  As it's unit commander is the corporate officer, it may perform any duty for, it is possible (however improbable), this could be the only unit in the wing.

The ability to participate in missions and other activity is an anomaly of the organization not the design of a Wing or Group HQ.
The mission of the Wing HQ and Group HQ staff is the support of the units and all the administrivia and management that goes along with that.  Do wing staffers get the 3am call?  Should they be running out the door with an L-Per. No.  I've had this discussion for years - by the time you're assigned to Wing, your job is making it possible for others to play.

Anecdotal successes notwithstanding, I maintain my opinion that cadets have no business being assigned to anything other than a squadron.  Considering the issue many wings have with just CAC reps, I can't begin to imagine the attitudes engendered in a cadet
assigned to wing who is supposed to "mentor" other units.

Sure you can administer tests, and the respective cadet can check their boxes towards Spaatz, but that isn't really the point of the cadet program.  There is no substitute for the experience, esprit-de-corps, and yes, conflict resolution when you're the "used to be, Phase 4 cadet" at your squadron.

"That Others May Zoom"

Ozzy

Quote from: BillB on October 05, 2010, 09:42:13 AM
A Wing Headquarters level Squadron was formed, FL-002 to have Flights at several of the states Universities. This allowed the cadets while in college to remain active in CAP. Within an 18 month period, it produced more Spaatz Awards than the rest of the Region combined. (cadets were from various Wings and Regions besides from Florida.)

This is perhaps true, but is pretty much moot. Of course if you are going to start collecting active phase IV cadets into a single unit that you will start to have them earn the Spaatz.
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Eclipse

^ Seriously, that is like saying there are more full-Colonels at the wing and Region levels.

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DakRadz

Luckily our good FO has the sense to see past the fun and find the nuggets of gold advice. :D
I'm in the same situation, except I want to start a squadron...

DBlair

Quote from: DakRadz on October 11, 2010, 12:29:39 PM
Luckily our good FO has the sense to see past the fun and find the nuggets of gold advice. :D
I'm in the same situation, except I want to start a squadron...

That is outstanding to hear that you want to start a squadron. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but aren't you a Cadet?
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BillB

Would make no difference if he was a cadet. I started a Squadron when I was a cadet way back in history. It still exists. But the seniors wanted their own Squadron, so I helped them start that, while still a cadet. All he needs is three seniors to join to get started.
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DBlair

Quote from: BillB on October 11, 2010, 07:48:18 PM
Would make no difference if he was a cadet. I started a Squadron when I was a cadet way back in history. It still exists. But the seniors wanted their own Squadron, so I helped them start that, while still a cadet. All he needs is three seniors to join to get started.

That is actually where I was going with it. I wasn't saying he couldn't help in getting it started, but rather was going to offer comments as to him needing to find the required SMs, etc.
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