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 91 
 on: July 09, 2018, 04:31:00 PM 
Started by RiChArD7032 - Last post by Fubar
Did you stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night?

Too pricey  ;D

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Thats why you can't march into most embroidery places with the logo of your favorite sports team and ask them to embroider it on your jacket: they're violating someone's copyright and license agreement doing so and open themselves up to, at the very least, a cease & desist letter and, if they're doing it a lot, a lawsuit for damages.

Very true, however if you are a member of the team that brings the team logo to an embroidery place, there isn't a copyright issue. The same (in theory) can be said for me, a CAP member, bringing a CAP logo to a professional and having them do something with it.

I mean, look at all the squadron T-shirts out there with a CAP logo on it. That's not an issue until a squadron sets up a website to start selling them on the internet. That would most certainly be an issue.

 92 
 on: July 09, 2018, 04:15:36 PM 
Started by RiChArD7032 - Last post by NIN
I don't think there is anything from keeping CAP members from using the logo internally, even for clothing items. The issue is when you try to start selling them, then you're encroaching on our contract with Vanguard.

YMMV. Don't make decisions based upon what you read on the internet.

Did you stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night?

If you're not selling them, sure, you're likely not in hot water.  You still have to go out and get yourself a nice Brother 7-needle machine and then get someone to digitize the seal into a sew file, and then hope that sew file  comes out at least as good as the seal Vanguard is doing now, which is pretty nice and as I recall has something north of 10,000 stitches in it. (old ones were less "dense")  Now we're a couple grand into this for just one shirt. Tell me again how Vanguard is expensive?

But if you go to EmbroidMe or someone, and they digitize and then sew for you, they're charging you money for that. Money is changing hands for them to reproduce a logo that is licensed to another company for exclusive reproduction. Thats why you can't march into most embroidery places with the logo of your favorite sports team and ask them to embroider it on your jacket: they're violating someone's copyright and license agreement doing so and open themselves up to, at the very least, a cease & desist letter and, if they're doing it a lot, a lawsuit for damages.

I, too, stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night.


 93 
 on: July 09, 2018, 03:19:30 PM 
Started by Spam - Last post by Spam

For some of our younger members who may not have heard of it, the Czar 52 crash at Fairchild AFB is a case study in the intersection between these hazardous attitudes and the failure of military leadership to step in and label such behavior as deviant. In that case, the mishap pilot was retained as Chief of Standards and Evaluation with a string of undocumented verbal hand slaps after a pattern of very hazardous incidents. Successive commanders did nothing, and perpetuated the problem. Once you find a problem, you cannot say nothing (which is a de facto endorsement) and be an ethical leader.

I have used, and highly recommend, the Czar 52 mishap (a B-52 fatal crash) as a cadet Character Development case study, as a cadet officer Leadership study, and I'd love to make it a mandatory element in Unit Commanders Courses. I think it would be perfect to devote an afternoon to, in Wing Commanders school, because it has so many USAF lessons learned for CAP. Do CAP commanders (as did the USAF ones) fail to implement written reprimands to document progressive discipline? Yep. Do CAP members with a record of reprimands see every change of unit or command as a "reset" or get out of jail card, because outgoing and incoming commanders don't pass a continuity file on problems? Yes, even more so than in the USAF, I believe.

Are CAP leaders reluctant to initiate personnel actions (from pulling quals, to reprimands, to separation actions)? So very much a yes, but those are what are sometimes required to save lives. I hate pulling ops quals, I hate filling out and processing termination actions, and I hate attending the funerals of my troops - but I have done all three now over the past 35+ years, and I know which one of those I hate the most.


See:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=182AepOJjMs
and
http://sbfpd.org/uploads/3/0/9/6/3096011/darker_shades_of_blue.pdf


This latter is the study written by then-MAJ Tony Kern, USAF, who went on as a LTC (and Dr. Anthony T. Kern) to be the director of military history at USAFA. I highly recommend his deeper study which does use the term "Rogue Pilot":
https://www.amazon.com/Darker-Shades-Blue-Rogue-Pilot/dp/0070349274/ref=la_B000APLFYA_1_5?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1531163518&sr=1-5


V/r
Spam


 94 
 on: July 09, 2018, 02:28:17 PM 
Started by RiChArD7032 - Last post by PHall
I wish, I wish, I wish....

I used the 5.11 tactical polos at work and I always bought the cotton ones.  The "performance" (i.e. polyester) fabric feels weird to me and if I get within 10 feet of a piece of velcro, the shirt looks like it lost a fight with a cat. I really wish CAP could get rid of the strangle-hold that VG has on the logo (yeah, yeah....economies of scale and all that).  I could totally get people from about 3 local units to go in on an order of shirts/embroidery if we could do it locally.

I don't think there is anything from keeping CAP members from using the logo internally, even for clothing items. The issue is when you try to start selling them, then you're encroaching on our contract with Vanguard.

YMMV. Don't make decisions based upon what you read on the internet.

AAFES is very similiar mafia.  I would imagine if you're not careful, you'll be sleepin' with the fishes.  :)

You greatly over estimate the power of AAFES. And they probably really don't care either. Walmart and Amazon ate their lunch a long time ago.

 95 
 on: July 09, 2018, 01:47:46 PM 
Started by Spam - Last post by Live2Learn
I find the word "rogue" an unfortunate choice: 14 CFR 91.13 says "Careless or Reckless Operation."  Why not call the behavior what it is: reckless operation of an aircraft that endangers the life of another and that -- by the way -- violates the FARs.

Redirecting to the topic of the OP:

While there is a motivational/cognitive difference between normalization of deviance (such as cumulative CAP deviance errors that culminated in the civilian Twin triple fatality that resulted in a multi-million dollar judgement against CAP) and "Rogue".  CAP has had experiences with both types.  Probably the most egregious example of a CAP  Rogue  I can think of is this one involving a Stand Eval pilot who liked to fly low:

https://app.ntsb.gov/pdfgenerator/ReportGeneratorFile.ashx?EventID=20051128X01892&AKey=1&RType=Final&IType=GA

It's tough to believe SOMEONE didn't know of his addiction to adrenalin and tree top flying.  It's also regretable that no one present at the glider show spoke up.  Unfortunately, the outcome of either (rogue, or normalization of "D") is often grim. 

It's tough to be the one who says "Wait a minute... this is a REALLY BAD IDEA"... That part of "a just safety culture" is really hard to achieve.  This blog post (non-CAP) is a worthwhile read.  Some of the comments are very thoughtful as well.  http://www.rapp.org/archives/2015/12/normalization-of-deviance/

 96 
 on: July 09, 2018, 01:25:40 PM 
Started by RiChArD7032 - Last post by abdsp51
I wish, I wish, I wish....

I used the 5.11 tactical polos at work and I always bought the cotton ones.  The "performance" (i.e. polyester) fabric feels weird to me and if I get within 10 feet of a piece of velcro, the shirt looks like it lost a fight with a cat. I really wish CAP could get rid of the strangle-hold that VG has on the logo (yeah, yeah....economies of scale and all that).  I could totally get people from about 3 local units to go in on an order of shirts/embroidery if we could do it locally.

I don't think there is anything from keeping CAP members from using the logo internally, even for clothing items. The issue is when you try to start selling them, then you're encroaching on our contract with Vanguard.

YMMV. Don't make decisions based upon what you read on the internet.

AAFES is very similiar mafia.  I would imagine if you're not careful, you'll be sleepin' with the fishes.  :)

AAFES hasn't been competitve with anyone for years.  Everynow and then they might have a deal or bargain but their prices are the same as everyone else.

 97 
 on: July 09, 2018, 12:56:56 PM 
Started by RiChArD7032 - Last post by chuckmilam
And the lint...  My polo picks up lint like you wouldn't believe.  And of course, de-linting ends up with a similar situation to the velcro...  Sigh.

The new "tactical polo" is a tremendous improvement over the older knit version.  Wrinkle-resistant, none of the lint issues, non-fading, wicking fabric.  Well worth the extra cost.

 98 
 on: July 09, 2018, 11:14:31 AM 
Started by RiChArD7032 - Last post by RiChArD7032
Thanks much...

 99 
 on: July 09, 2018, 11:14:03 AM 
Started by RiChArD7032 - Last post by RiChArD7032
Thanks for the info...I recently was messing around in eServices and found what you mentioned.  Thanks!!

 100 
 on: July 09, 2018, 11:13:11 AM 
Started by RiChArD7032 - Last post by RiChArD7032
I wish, I wish, I wish....

I used the 5.11 tactical polos at work and I always bought the cotton ones.  The "performance" (i.e. polyester) fabric feels weird to me and if I get within 10 feet of a piece of velcro, the shirt looks like it lost a fight with a cat. I really wish CAP could get rid of the strangle-hold that VG has on the logo (yeah, yeah....economies of scale and all that).  I could totally get people from about 3 local units to go in on an order of shirts/embroidery if we could do it locally.

I don't think there is anything from keeping CAP members from using the logo internally, even for clothing items. The issue is when you try to start selling them, then you're encroaching on our contract with Vanguard.

YMMV. Don't make decisions based upon what you read on the internet.

AAFES is very similiar mafia.  I would imagine if you're not careful, you'll be sleepin' with the fishes.  :)

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