hello, i am a very young new officer and i have seen alot of the activities i need to go to require 16 years of age, and i was wondering if someone could list NCSAs that dont require that so i can plan out what id like to do. :)
Two quick questions:
1. How far away from 16 are you?
2. What are you interested in?
OK, so #2 isn't such a quick question ;D
14 years old.
ill go to anything really, and money isnt a problem for events
http://members.gocivilairpatrol.com/cadet_programs/activities/national_special_activities/index.cfm
Wait until 1 November and go to that address.
It's unfortunate that you cannot attend many activities but that is one of the down sides of quick advancement.
Good luck.
Quote from: IceNine on September 13, 2009, 03:41:16 PM
http://members.gocivilairpatrol.com/cadet_programs/activities/national_special_activities/index.cfm
Wait until 1 November and go to that address.
It's unfortunate that you cannot attend many activities but that is one of the down sides of quick advancement.
Good luck.
Thank you! Yes, lol i have a few years to get some ES quals i guess :P
Quote from: swater96 on September 13, 2009, 03:19:14 PM
hello, i am a very young new officer and i have seen alot of the activities i need to go to require 16 years of age, and i was wondering if someone could list NCSAs that dont require that so i can plan out what id like to do. :)
uhhh... C/MSgt and
13 years old is officer and 14? Confusing indeed.
Plus no encampment, and without accompanying JROTC fruit salad to explain it... Equals sketchy. Whats your numbers for your WBA and Mitchell?
Quote from: MIKE on September 13, 2009, 07:42:06 PM
Plus no encampment, and without accompanying JROTC fruit salad to explain it equals sketchy. Whats your numbers for your WBA and Mitchell?
Let's see...
Cadet joins on 12th birthday... C/AB
C/Amn...plus 2 months...
C/C1C...plus 2 months...
C/SrA...plus 2 months...(Wight Brothers)
C/SSgt...Plus 2 months...
C/TSgt...Plus 2 months...
C/MSgt... (Still 12 years old) Plus 2 months...
C/SMSgt... Plus 2 months... (13 years old)
C/CMSgt...Plus two months...13 year old Mitchell Cadet.
It is possible...
Quote from: Major Carrales on September 13, 2009, 07:55:36 PM
Quote from: MIKE on September 13, 2009, 07:42:06 PM
Plus no encampment, and without accompanying JROTC fruit salad to explain it equals sketchy. Whats your numbers for your WBA and Mitchell?
Let's see...
Cadet joins on 12th birthday... C/AB
C/Amn...plus 2 months...
C/C1C...plus 2 months...
C/SrA...plus 2 months...(Wight Brothers)
C/SSgt...Plus 2 months...
C/TSgt...Plus 2 months...
C/MSgt... (Still 12 years old) Plus 2 months...
C/SMSgt... Plus 2 months... (13 years old)
C/CMSgt...Plus two months...13 year old Mitchell Cadet.
It is possible...
Just not likely. Very few cadets get their Mitchell in under two years. Three to four years is pretty much the norm from what I've seen.
Quote from: PHall on September 13, 2009, 08:02:59 PM
Quote from: Major Carrales on September 13, 2009, 07:55:36 PM
Quote from: MIKE on September 13, 2009, 07:42:06 PM
Plus no encampment, and without accompanying JROTC fruit salad to explain it equals sketchy. Whats your numbers for your WBA and Mitchell?
Let's see...
Cadet joins on 12th birthday... C/AB
C/Amn...plus 2 months...
C/C1C...plus 2 months...
C/SrA...plus 2 months...(Wight Brothers)
C/SSgt...Plus 2 months...
C/TSgt...Plus 2 months...
C/MSgt... (Still 12 years old) Plus 2 months...
C/SMSgt... Plus 2 months... (13 years old)
C/CMSgt...Plus two months...13 year old Mitchell Cadet.
It is possible...
Just not likely. Very few cadets get their Mitchell in under two years. Three to four years is pretty much the norm from what I've seen.
Note I said it was possible...albeit not probable. Still, it is not out of the range of something you could find. A very dedicated cadet who really wanted it. I am wanting to think that would have been me...had there been a CAP unit within 70 miles for me to join.
Quote from: Major Carrales on September 13, 2009, 07:55:36 PM
Quote from: MIKE on September 13, 2009, 07:42:06 PM
Plus no encampment, and without accompanying JROTC fruit salad to explain it equals sketchy. Whats your numbers for your WBA and Mitchell?
Let's see...
Cadet joins on 12th birthday... C/AB
C/Amn...plus 2 months...
C/C1C...plus 2 months...
C/SrA...plus 2 months...(Wight Brothers)
C/SSgt...Plus 2 months...
C/TSgt...Plus 2 months...
C/MSgt... (Still 12 years old) Plus 2 months...
C/SMSgt... Plus 2 months... (13 years old)
C/CMSgt...Plus two months...13 year old Mitchell Cadet.
It is possible...
Time wise, yes, it's possible. It isn't, however, possible without encampment completion. Look at his ribbon rack...
Plus
Quote from: MIKE on September 13, 2009, 08:05:44 PM
Quote from: swater96 on June 24, 2009, 09:45:06 PM
C/MSgt Tedder
Bravo Flight Commander
Assuming he promoted to C/SMSgt at the end of June he could only he a brand new C/CMSgt by now...
Busted.
Quote from: DC on September 13, 2009, 08:22:03 PM
Quote from: Major Carrales on September 13, 2009, 07:55:36 PM
Quote from: MIKE on September 13, 2009, 07:42:06 PM
Plus no encampment, and without accompanying JROTC fruit salad to explain it equals sketchy. Whats your numbers for your WBA and Mitchell?
Let's see...
Cadet joins on 12th birthday... C/AB
C/Amn...plus 2 months...
C/C1C...plus 2 months...
C/SrA...plus 2 months...(Wight Brothers)
C/SSgt...Plus 2 months...
C/TSgt...Plus 2 months...
C/MSgt... (Still 12 years old) Plus 2 months...
C/SMSgt... Plus 2 months... (13 years old)
C/CMSgt...Plus two months...13 year old Mitchell Cadet.
It is possible...
Time wise, yes, it's possible. It isn't, however, possible without encampment completion. Look at his ribbon rack...
Plus
Quote from: MIKE on September 13, 2009, 08:05:44 PM
Quote from: swater96 on June 24, 2009, 09:45:06 PM
C/MSgt Tedder
Bravo Flight Commander
Assuming he promoted to C/SMSgt at the end of June he could only he a brand new C/CMSgt by now...
Busted.
It is possible, also...that he might not have made a new ribbon rack avatar to display the encampment ribbon or that the paperwork had not processed for wear of the ribbon.
In any case, the cadet is busted...there is nothing to see, say nor write more about it. It is being dealt with by the staff here.
One thing I've learned in my experience with CAP outside of message boards...
Don't automatically assume that the cadet's being malicious of they misrepresent their grade. I one be highly surprised if even one person on this board with more than a year in CAP had not met some cadet officer who didn't know what an SDA was, or a cadet that was pencil-pushed through the program.
Just saying that before anyone goes vigilante on this guy, we should definitely try to think for a second why he would bother lying in a thread asking what activities apply to his limitations, when he would know in real life that said limitations were not real, and therefore, the answers would be useless. In which case, he's not trying to gain unwarranted authority, nor is he trying to be a troll. Seems even more suspicious for someone to lie to ask a question that does them no good at all.
My money is that he isn't lying, and rather is either wearing the grade correctly (and therefore is a highly motivated cadet undeserving of ire), or he is wearing C/2d Lt without knowing that he probably shouldn't be.
JMHO
Quote from: Nathan on September 18, 2009, 01:50:13 PM
One thing I've learned in my experience with CAP outside of message boards...
Don't automatically assume that the cadet's being malicious of they misrepresent their grade. I one be highly surprised if even one person on this board with more than a year in CAP had not met some cadet officer who didn't know what an SDA was, or a cadet that was pencil-pushed through the program.
Just saying that before anyone goes vigilante on this guy, we should definitely try to think for a second why he would bother lying in a thread asking what activities apply to his limitations, when he would know in real life that said limitations were not real, and therefore, the answers would be useless. In which case, he's not trying to gain unwarranted authority, nor is he trying to be a troll. Seems even more suspicious for someone to lie to ask a question that does them no good at all.
My money is that he isn't lying, and rather is either wearing the grade correctly (and therefore is a highly motivated cadet undeserving of ire), or he is wearing C/2d Lt without knowing that he probably shouldn't be.
JMHO
There is not need for this topic to go on because it will go up into flames. I am on this cadet's promotion board, so I can say for a fact that he is a C/MSgt. The cadet was afraid of getting made fun of due to the fact that CAPTALK is not the friendliest place for cadets or low ranks. Either way, I think the topic should cease and everything else can work itself out.
To respond to the original question, at age 14, assuming you have encampment done, you can go to Glider Encampment and some NESA activities. There might be some more, but I certainly don't recall any. All required encampment.
As for Mitchell in less than two year, certainly its possible. For JROTC absolutely. Also, my daughter received her Mitchell in 18 months. She started at age 12 1/2 and just after her 14th birthday go her Mitchell. She also did gliders this summer and loved it.
While I have not looked into calculating this Cadet's timing and so forth, I find that people often assume that it takes much longer than it actually does if a person is motivated to excel.
If I remember correctly, I was a C/Lt Col at like 15 or 16 and was certainly the youngest around. Likewise, I was an Eagle Scout at 13, when most others are nearing 18. My point is that as long as the minimum time requirements are satisfied, almost anything is possible if the person is super motivated- even if it isn't the norm.
To the Cadet, if he did indeed earn his Mitchell in the minimum time required, then I applaud him for being so motivated. If only more Cadets were so eager.
Quote from: MIKE on September 13, 2009, 07:42:06 PM
Plus no encampment, and without accompanying JROTC fruit salad to explain it... Equals sketchy. Whats your numbers for your WBA and Mitchell?
Completely getting off the subject of the thread
Quote from: DBlair on September 19, 2009, 09:32:56 AM
While I have not looked into calculating this Cadet's timing and so forth, I find that people often assume that it takes much longer than it actually does if a person is motivated to excel.
If I remember correctly, I was a C/Lt Col at like 15 or 16 and was certainly the youngest around. Likewise, I was an Eagle Scout at 13, when most others are nearing 18. My point is that as long as the minimum time requirements are satisfied, almost anything is possible if the person is super motivated- even if it isn't the norm.
To the Cadet, if he did indeed earn his Mitchell in the minimum time required, then I applaud him for being so motivated. If only more Cadets were so eager.
so true
Quote from: addo1 on September 18, 2009, 10:21:43 PM
Quote from: Nathan on September 18, 2009, 01:50:13 PM
One thing I've learned in my experience with CAP outside of message boards...
Don't automatically assume that the cadet's being malicious of they misrepresent their grade. I one be highly surprised if even one person on this board with more than a year in CAP had not met some cadet officer who didn't know what an SDA was, or a cadet that was pencil-pushed through the program.
Just saying that before anyone goes vigilante on this guy, we should definitely try to think for a second why he would bother lying in a thread asking what activities apply to his limitations, when he would know in real life that said limitations were not real, and therefore, the answers would be useless. In which case, he's not trying to gain unwarranted authority, nor is he trying to be a troll. Seems even more suspicious for someone to lie to ask a question that does them no good at all.
My money is that he isn't lying, and rather is either wearing the grade correctly (and therefore is a highly motivated cadet undeserving of ire), or he is wearing C/2d Lt without knowing that he probably shouldn't be.
JMHO
There is not need for this topic to go on because it will go up into flames. I am on this cadet's promotion board, so I can say for a fact that he is a C/MSgt. The cadet was afraid of getting made fun of due to the fact that CAPTALK is not the friendliest place for cadets or low ranks. Either way, I think the topic should cease and everything else can work itself out.
I agree, the young man asked about NCSA's and now people are diggin into weaher he is leagal or not. Some people have more time on their hands than they actually need. Stick to the subject.
This brings up a question I always had;
If a Cadet promotes every two months, always passes the tests, attends meetings and goes to encampment and gets the Mitchell, does that qualify them as a leader? Or were they just good at memorizing text, running and had nothing better to do 4 nights per month??
Too many Commanders are afraid to lose Cadets if they choose to hold up promotions. Some units have no mentoring program, and others pencil whip SDA requirements.
It is great a Cadet gets their Spaatz, but did they really get anything out of the program, or did the staff just want their "Golden Cadet"?
Quote from: Spike on September 21, 2009, 01:50:54 AM
If a Cadet promotes every two months, always passes the tests, attends meetings and goes to encampment and gets the Mitchell, does that qualify them as a leader? Or were they just good at memorizing text, running and had nothing better to do 4 nights per month??
That scenario might not tell you much about the cadet's ability to lead others but it does say a LOT about his ability to lead himself (absent any pencil whipping or similar "helps"). Intelligent, self-motivated, dependable, goal-oriented...I'd have no problem giving that cadet a leadership position. Sure, I might hold the reins a little tightly at first, but, a legitimately high-speed cadet deserves the opportunity to see what he can do.
Quote from: Spike on September 21, 2009, 01:50:54 AM
This brings up a question I always had;
If a Cadet promotes every two months, always passes the tests, attends meetings and goes to encampment and gets the Mitchell, does that qualify them as a leader? Or were they just good at memorizing text, running and had nothing better to do 4 nights per month??
Too many Commanders are afraid to lose Cadets if they choose to hold up promotions. Some units have no mentoring program, and others pencil whip SDA requirements.
It is great a Cadet gets their Spaatz, but did they really get anything out of the program, or did the staff just want their "Golden Cadet"?
Something don't seem right cause I know some Lt's that I know in the program it took them 3 to 4 years for them to get their rank.
Quote from: capcadetwilliams on October 15, 2009, 09:14:24 PM
Quote from: Spike on September 21, 2009, 01:50:54 AM
This brings up a question I always had;
If a Cadet promotes every two months, always passes the tests, attends meetings and goes to encampment and gets the Mitchell, does that qualify them as a leader? Or were they just good at memorizing text, running and had nothing better to do 4 nights per month??
Too many Commanders are afraid to lose Cadets if they choose to hold up promotions. Some units have no mentoring program, and others pencil whip SDA requirements.
It is great a Cadet gets their Spaatz, but did they really get anything out of the program, or did the staff just want their "Golden Cadet"?
Something don't seem right cause I know some Lt's that I know in the program it took them 3 to 4 years for them to get their rank.
Just let it alone... There is no need to revive a dead horse (so to speak. This is almost a month old and it was dealt with... Ok?
Quote from: addo1 on October 15, 2009, 09:18:57 PM
Just let it alone... There is no need to revive a dead horse (so to speak. This is almost a month old and it was dealt with... Ok?
Yikes.....Cadet. How does his comment have anything to do with what you were trying to cover up a month ago?? ;)
I agree with Spike, but maybe the topic should be made in a new thread?
Quote from: Spike on October 15, 2009, 09:43:10 PM
Quote from: addo1 on October 15, 2009, 09:18:57 PM
Just let it alone... There is no need to revive a dead horse (so to speak. This is almost a month old and it was dealt with... Ok?
Yikes.....Cadet. How does his comment have anything to do with what you were trying to cover up a month ago?? ;)
In all due respect, there was no cover-up involved at all and that comment was not applicable to the topic. Rather, a cadet I knew had to learn an integrity lesson the heard way. That is beside the point. In reality, when a thread like this is brought back up, CAPTALK members will jump at the chance to tear apart a circumstance into pieces instead of staying with the question asked.
Quote from: addo1 on October 15, 2009, 10:52:57 PM
In all due respect, there was no cover-up involved at all and that comment was not applicable to the topic. Rather, a cadet I knew had to learn an integrity lesson the heard way. That is beside the point. In reality, when a thread like this is brought back up, CAPTALK members will jump at the chance to tear apart a circumstance into pieces instead of staying with the question asked.
Actually he was responding to a post that had nothing to do with your issues in your Squadron.
If anything it should be split form this thread. IF you don't want dirty laundry seen, take better care that it is not soiled. In other words.....keep your squadrons business in house.
Also, it is not very nice to tell everyone what we can or can not discuss, just because you have some play in it.
Quote from: Spike on October 15, 2009, 11:03:05 PM
Quote from: addo1 on October 15, 2009, 10:52:57 PM
In all due respect, there was no cover-up involved at all and that comment was not applicable to the topic. Rather, a cadet I knew had to learn an integrity lesson the heard way. That is beside the point. In reality, when a thread like this is brought back up, CAPTALK members will jump at the chance to tear apart a circumstance into pieces instead of staying with the question asked.
Actually he was responding to a post that had nothing to do with your issues in your Squadron.
If anything it should be split form this thread. IF you don't want dirty laundry seen, take better care that it is not soiled. In other words.....keep your squadrons business in house.
Also, it is not very nice to tell everyone what we can or can not discuss, just because you have some play in it.
I am NOT one to take my squadron issues out to the public. If you knew me, you would know that I can not stand people doing that and do not do it myself. Integrity, on the other hand, is something that has to be used regardless, and in this case it was not.
You can discuss whatever you would like, and that is fine with me. Personally, I could care less as this situation did not and does not affect my character in any way. I am just trying to protect a cadet who made a bad mistake, but has now made up for it.
My statement is based off of watching the majority of topics get creamed on here in the past few years. If this topic continues, I am sure the same thing will happen eventually. Just saying...
It already happened, so it won't be an issue.
Quote from: USAFaux2004 on October 15, 2009, 11:54:36 PM
It already happened, so it won't be an issue.
Point taken. I rest my case.
Requesting a lock on this though, as well as a split of the second topic about progression times would be cool though.
Quote from: USAFaux2004 on October 16, 2009, 02:06:38 AM
Requesting a lock on this though, as well as a split of the second topic about progression times would be cool though.
I totally concur.
Quote from: addo1 on October 16, 2009, 02:08:04 AM
Quote from: USAFaux2004 on October 16, 2009, 02:06:38 AM
Requesting a lock on this though, as well as a split of the second topic about progression times would be cool though.
I totally concur.
I also do.
Seeing as how this topic hasn't had a single post on the original topic....LOCK
If you want to discuss cadet progression possibilities, feel free to start a new topic. This one has too many personal attacks intertwined to split anything that won't start a flame war.