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Operations => Aviation & Flying Activities => Topic started by: jfkspotting on September 30, 2017, 10:59:37 PM

Title: What airplanes would you like to see added to CAP?
Post by: jfkspotting on September 30, 2017, 10:59:37 PM
Personally, some Cessna 207's would be my choice, as they would add even more seats and room for cargo.
Title: Re: What airplanes would you like to see added to CAP?
Post by: Mission/Tow Pilot on October 01, 2017, 01:10:44 PM
The AirCam for low and slow and the Tecnam P2006T for twin-engine high-Wing searching and transport
Title: Re: What airplanes would you like to see added to CAP?
Post by: Briank on October 01, 2017, 04:01:39 PM
I'd like to see the Tecnam P2006T as well.  It sounds like there's more possibilities of us doing missions over water, and here the water goes much beyond reasonably glide distance at the altitudes we fly...  Twins are not a cure-all obviously, but for specific cases like that...
Title: Re: What airplanes would you like to see added to CAP?
Post by: jeders on October 01, 2017, 05:37:13 PM
The Tecnam is definitely a good platform to look at, both the 2006 and the 2010. I've always felt though that we should have gotten Vulcan P68 Observers instead of the Airvans. Of course I highly doubt that we'll ever see many twin engine aircraft in CAP.
Title: Re: What airplanes would you like to see added to CAP?
Post by: zippy on November 04, 2017, 01:04:12 PM
A few small cargo plans that would be sent around the country for training. When there is an emergency there would be trained crews that could use rentals and the few trainers. It could also be used to bring reservists to summer training, etc.

I got the idea from an aviation organization called Agape Flights that runs cargo in emergencies. See this link to see the planes they use. http://www.agapeflights.com/about-agape-flights/about-the-embraer-110/
Title: Re: What airplanes would you like to see added to CAP?
Post by: etodd on November 04, 2017, 08:00:56 PM
More seats?  Thats why we have such a large van fleet.

Cargo?  The planes mentioned above are still minimally better for disaster relief cargo. Leave that to C-5s and similar.

Want new planes? You will have to do some very in depth studies first. Researching all our clients (FEMA, etc.) and get them to indicate what they would be interested in, before you can approach the Air Force with a request.
Title: Re: What airplanes would you like to see added to CAP?
Post by: civil air patrol king on November 05, 2017, 03:56:03 PM
A Airbus A-380
Title: Re: What airplanes would you like to see added to CAP?
Post by: Flying Pig on November 05, 2017, 04:00:24 PM
Partnavias seem to be enjoyed by CA Fish and Game and Fl Wildlife Commission (FWC) .  Similar types of flying done relative to CAP.
Title: Re: What airplanes would you like to see added to CAP?
Post by: abdsp51 on November 05, 2017, 04:57:05 PM
I'd like to see an updated version of the 337 (O-2) personally. 
Title: Re: What airplanes would you like to see added to CAP?
Post by: NIN on November 05, 2017, 05:30:07 PM
A twin-turbine Bandeirante is pretty much worthless for CAP.  Look at the cited organization: they have access to .. ONE.

Keeping members current on a plane that doesn't get much play and has very high maintenance and replacement costs doesn't make a whole ton of sense.

I mean, if we wanted to get into that space, go big or go home with the C-27J.  We did have some at D-M, but the Coasties got 'em.

 8)

Twin anything requires multi-engine instructors along with pilots with multi-engine ratings.

Title: Re: What airplanes would you like to see added to CAP?
Post by: etodd on November 05, 2017, 06:16:06 PM
And they would 'sit' too long. Few members, very few, could afford C-12 self-pay time in a twin.  I do not know what percentage of CAP flights are C-12, but without it, few planes would ever see that desired 200 hours per year.

Can't let a bigger single or twin just sit there. We would have to 'create excuses' to find funded flights. ("Hey a light bulb is out. Lets make a maintenance flight to that shop 100 miles away to change the bulb".) :)
Title: Re: What airplanes would you like to see added to CAP?
Post by: JayT on November 05, 2017, 07:27:53 PM
Personally, some Cessna 207's would be my choice, as they would add even more seats and room for cargo.

What sort of cargo?
Title: Re: What airplanes would you like to see added to CAP?
Post by: Flying Pig on November 06, 2017, 07:37:46 AM
Hundreds of hours flying in CAP and I never once hauled "cargo".  Unless you are talking about the barfing Scanner in the back seat.
Title: Re: What airplanes would you like to see added to CAP?
Post by: NIN on November 06, 2017, 07:59:30 AM
Hundreds of hours flying in CAP and I never once hauled "cargo".  Unless you are talking about the barfing Scanner in the back seat.
that's "self - loading cargo" and, one might hope, "self -cleaning"
Title: Re: What airplanes would you like to see added to CAP?
Post by: SarDragon on November 06, 2017, 05:16:02 PM
The only cargo I recall is a blood run a while back, and I think that "package" had an escort.
Title: Re: What airplanes would you like to see added to CAP?
Post by: LSThiker on November 06, 2017, 06:13:25 PM
if we wanted to get into that space, go big or go home with the C-27J.

I thought you said go big?  The C-27 is not big.  I say we should go for the Super Guppy (at least).  Think about all the cargo and cadets we could transport in that.

Okay, so serious question.  Why does NASA hold onto the Super Guppy, when the Beluga was designed to replace the Super Guppy produced by Aero Spacelines?  Or even a 747-DreamLifter?
Title: Re: What airplanes would you like to see added to CAP?
Post by: NIN on November 06, 2017, 06:33:30 PM
if we wanted to get into that space, go big or go home with the C-27J.

I thought you said go big?  The C-27 is not big.  I say we should go for the Super Guppy (at least).  Think about all the cargo and cadets we could transport in that.

Okay, so serious question.  Why does NASA hold onto the Super Guppy, when the Beluga was designed to replace the Super Guppy produced by Aero Spacelines?  Or even a 747-DreamLifter?
I will give you that the c-27 is not that big. However, I was trying to be somewhat realistic.

If you're going to go twin turbine you might as well get a little bit more bang for your buck than an EMB-110 or similar.

If I'm going to haul around cargo then I want to do it in something with a tailgate. Of course I have my own ulterior motives for wanting a tailgate.


Title: Re: What airplanes would you like to see added to CAP?
Post by: LSThiker on November 06, 2017, 06:54:12 PM
I will give you that the c-27 is not that big. However, I was trying to be somewhat realistic.

Sorry, forgot my [sarcasm][/sarcasm] tags :)

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If I'm going to haul around cargo then I want to do it in something with a tailgate. Of course I have my own ulterior motives for wanting a tailgate.

Hm would that be teaching cadets how to skydive?  Oh by the way, are you still skydiving?
Title: Re: What airplanes would you like to see added to CAP?
Post by: Mitchell 1969 on November 08, 2017, 02:58:53 AM
Hundreds of hours flying in CAP and I never once hauled "cargo".  Unless you are talking about the barfing Scanner in the back seat.
that's "self - loading cargo" and, one might hope, "self -cleaning"

Actually, as described, that would be “self UN-loading cargo.”


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Title: Re: What airplanes would you like to see added to CAP?
Post by: dwr2829 on November 08, 2017, 02:52:34 PM
OV-10
Title: Re: What airplanes would you like to see added to CAP?
Post by: SarDragon on November 08, 2017, 03:55:44 PM
^^^^^

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Title: Re: What airplanes would you like to see added to CAP?
Post by: Cliff_Chambliss on November 09, 2017, 10:34:07 AM
Since most of the CAP Flying missions do not require buckets of speed, and have a great need for eyeballing the outside world the current mix of aircraft is just wrong.  CAP would best be served by looking back at low and slow.  The old 'L' series aircraft, the ones that were made for observation.  L-5, L-13, L-15, L-16, L-21.  For "heavy" lift the L-20.   Of course it must be recognized that a strong training program would have to be instituted as the majority of current pilots are not qualified to operate these types of aircraft.
Title: Re: What airplanes would you like to see added to CAP?
Post by: SarDragon on November 10, 2017, 12:45:49 AM
Sure, the tail draggers have a kool factor, but where are you going to get 200+ airworthy airframes of the types you spoke of?
Title: Re: What airplanes would you like to see added to CAP?
Post by: Live2Learn on November 10, 2017, 10:30:56 AM
Sure, the tail draggers have a kool factor, but where are you going to get 200+ airworthy airframes of the types you spoke of?

CubCrafters, Yakima, WA?  http://cubcrafters.com (http://cubcrafters.com)  Their modern super cub has a respectable useful load, a wide airspeed envelope that offers slower safe search airspeeds, and excellent scanner visibility.  I bet several western Wings would be receptive to testing these airframes.  :)
Title: Re: What airplanes would you like to see added to CAP?
Post by: BuckeyeDEJ on November 16, 2017, 10:49:59 PM
Sure, the tail draggers have a kool factor, but where are you going to get 200+ airworthy airframes of the types you spoke of?

CubCrafters, Yakima, WA?  http://cubcrafters.com (http://cubcrafters.com)  Their modern super cub has a respectable useful load, a wide airspeed envelope that offers slower safe search airspeeds, and excellent scanner visibility.  I bet several western Wings would be receptive to testing these airframes.  :)

That seating configuration makes it difficult to fly searches, though. Pilot and observer should be on the same panel.