what multi tool should i get for my SAR gear?
#1 We generally refer to our gear as "GT gear" or ground team gear...not SAR gear.
#2 If you find a multitool that has pliers and a knife blade get it. Thats about all there is to it. Wal-mart generally sells them in the camping section. Or just go to amazon.com and search for multitool or "Leatherman" etc...
thanks
If you get a multi-tool for your SAR gear(and yes you can call it that if you wish), get one from one of the major knife manufacturers like Gerber or SOG. Also, the Leathermans are excellent. Don't get one from a store brand like Ozark Trail or GreatLand. These are usually much cheaper in price and 10X cheaper in quality. You get what you pay for just like with knives.
You can't go wrong with a Leatherman PST.
You can get tools that have more stuff on them, but a PST will never fail you.
Gerber. I have a nice one I got around 54.00. The mutli-tool has 2 flathead sizes, a philips, saw knife, straight knife, bottle open, can opener, blunt nose pliers (they also come in needle nose), and other parts. It comes with a nice case (ballistic nylon) and attachments (different size screw driver heads).... I have had it about 2 years... Only 1 pc broke, the nail filer... from prying... was my own fault.. if your interested, I can link it from the store I got it from (I buy most of my items online from trusted govt suppliers)
The multi-tool knife that I actually use as opposed to just carry is the Ka-Bar Hobo 3-in-1 Utensil Kit (https://www.kabar.com/product/productDetail.do?productNumber=1300&mode=search&categoryId=2,7&categoryName=Product%20Search%20Results). It will usually be cheaper via an on-line dealer then thru the Ka-Bar site.
There are other makes and models of that style knife. Just google Hobo Knife.
I've had a SOG EOD multi-tool for years. It has a compound action which effectively doubles the grip available on the pliers and cutters. That and a roll of electrical tape in the old BDU thigh pocket, first aid kit in the opposite pocket...
I'd recommend this instead, just because cadets like to have unnecessary things:
(http://www.swissarmy.com/images/ProductCatalog/vm/vm_53509_sol_a03.jpg)
I also recommend a good brand name. I've had some cheap multi-tools and the like. They weren't worth it. At all.
Quote from: RRLE on May 15, 2011, 11:06:28 AM
The multi-tool knife that I actually use as opposed to just carry is the Ka-Bar Hobo 3-in-1 Utensil Kit (https://www.kabar.com/product/productDetail.do?productNumber=1300&mode=search&categoryId=2,7&categoryName=Product%20Search%20Results).
For some reason, I don't think that a fork and spoon are the most useful tools on a SAR exercise. But that is a pretty cool multitool, regardless. Probably good for backpacking trips and the like.
Gerber Suspension multitool. Cost me about 25 bucks - very high quality for the money.
A bunch for sale on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=gerber+suspension&x=0&y=0 (http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=gerber+suspension&x=0&y=0)
Quote from: titanII on May 15, 2011, 03:40:09 PM
I don't think that a fork and spoon are the most useful tools on a SAR exercise.
You just proved you haven't been on many exercises ;) I have a fork and spoon set and have used it more than any other item in my gear. You're going to eat at pretty much every event but the need to field strip a downed aircraft are few and far between.
Quote from: davidsinn on May 15, 2011, 11:44:23 PM
You're going to eat at pretty much every event but the need to field strip a downed aircraft are few and far between.
You caught me ;). Though in my years of backpacking, I've hardly ever used a fork or spoon. I guess that's just the Neanderthal in me that causes me to use my (GASP)... HANDS.
;D no hard feelings.
Personally, I feel that the most useful, effective, and portable multitool is this:
(http://www.swissarmy.com/images/ProductCatalog/vm/vm_53509_sol_a03.jpg)
*Sarcasm*
Quote from: davidsinn on May 15, 2011, 11:44:23 PM
Quote from: titanII on May 15, 2011, 03:40:09 PM
I don't think that a fork and spoon are the most useful tools on a SAR exercise.
You just proved you haven't been on many exercises ;) I have a fork and spoon set and have used it more than any other item in my gear. You're going to eat at pretty much every event but the need to field strip a downed aircraft are few and far between.
Spork love!
(http://i.treehugger.com/images/2007/10/24/light-my-fire-spork-black.jpg)
Quote from: Eclipse on May 16, 2011, 02:22:30 AM
Spork love!
(http://i.treehugger.com/images/2007/10/24/light-my-fire-spork-black.jpg)
That's not the original spork! That has a knife in it too... maybe it's a "knispork".
This is what I think of when I hear spork.. the original spork:
(http://imagethumbnails.milo.com/001/535/810/290/1535053_2984810_290.jpg)
I've never had to use the knife on my "knispork", but it is a good idea.
I would recommend this tool if you are going for ridiculous overkill.
http://www.geekiegadgets.com/2010/wenger-giant-swiss-army-knife-%E2%80%93-everything-but-the-kitchen-sink/ (http://www.geekiegadgets.com/2010/wenger-giant-swiss-army-knife-%E2%80%93-everything-but-the-kitchen-sink/)
Quote from: titanII on May 16, 2011, 10:40:54 AM
Quote from: Eclipse on May 16, 2011, 02:22:30 AM
Spork love!
(http://i.treehugger.com/images/2007/10/24/light-my-fire-spork-black.jpg)
That's not the original spork! That has a knife in it too... maybe it's a "knispork".
This is what I think of when I hear spork.. the original spork:
(http://imagethumbnails.milo.com/001/535/810/290/1535053_2984810_290.jpg)
I've never had to use the knife on my "knispork", but it is a good idea.
Get the FORK outta here!! ;D ;D
AH! I see what you did there...
You cannot go wrong with a Leatherman. They are a little more expensive than most Gerbers, but they are simply outstanding tools. They also have a lifetime guarantee, if memory serves. If you break it, they will replace or fix it for free.
I'm partial to the Wave for ES type stuff. For everyday carry I have been drooling over the Skeletool for a while now.
Quote from: DC on May 16, 2011, 09:47:39 PM
You cannot go wrong with a Leatherman. They are a little more expensive than most Gerbers, but they are simply outstanding tools. They also have a lifetime guarantee, if memory serves. If you break it, they will replace or fix it for free.
I'm partial to the Wave for ES type stuff. For everyday carry I have been drooling over the Skeletool for a while now.
Ah yes, away from the discussion about sporks. I would second the above statement- my Leatherman has come in handy in so many situations, and the lifetime guarantee makes it that much better.
what kind of tools should I look for on said mulitool, other than the obvious: knife (preferably serrated) and pliers?
screwdrivers are good, so are wire cutters, file, can opener (used for more than just cans), and apparently a fork and a spoon. Not sure if leatherman makes one with the last two ;)
DUH! I should have included a can opener in that list! and I think I can handle bringing a separate fork/spoon/spork/knorkoon/whatever else you want to call it.
Aside: I call a combination netween a fork, spoon, and knife a knorkoon...but I guess it's a matter of preference.
Quote from: thatonekid on May 16, 2011, 10:36:17 PM
Aside: I call a combination netween a fork, spoon, and knife a knorkoon...but I guess it's a matter of preference.
with a utensil as crazy-awesome as this, it's all a matter of preference 8)
True...my concern with this kind of utensil is that there is a knife on the side, can you imagine the report? "Cadet accidentally amputated own tongue with knorkoon" ;)
I'm thinkin' a Freestyle, Juice S2, a Kick, or a Skeletool. Any better ideas? Note: I'm trying to keep it cheep and simple...
Freestyle
(http://toolguyd.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/new-leatherman-freestyle.jpg)
Sure, but it's really only a knife and pliers.
Juice S2
(http://www.moontrail.com/details/leatherman/s2/s2_hand_closed.jpg)
A little small.
Kick
(http://www.binbin.net/photos/leatherman/lea/leatherman-kick-multi-tool-with-case.jpg)
Basically a PST with plastic added.
Skeletool
(http://uncrate.com/p/2007/09/skeletool.jpg)
Not a fan - basically a Freestyle "+". The hook might seem like a good idea, but it just makes it bigger, and odds are you'll
lose the bits.
Sure but what would you recomend?
Of that group? The Kick.
No, just in general.
I already said the Leatherman PST
Oh...
Do they still sell it? It is under the "retired" tab on their website...
There are at least 28 available on eBay right now, most under $30, some for less than that.
Otherwise, the Kick is essentially the same tool in an updated form.
PST
(http://www.police-shop.com/Leatherman_pst.jpg)
Mine was a USAF-Issue in the early '90's to a LoadToad friend of mine who gave it to me when he cycled out.
It is part of my EDC and though it shows wear from use, is still in great shape and I would be heartbroken if
I lost it.
I carry it in a Safariland 123-1 concealment holster.
(http://masterofconcealment.com/images/magick_cache/pgroup_7022_image_260_shadow.jpg)
I've worn out two of those but not the tool.
Thank you verry much, I really apreciate it.
Actually the Leatherman has a 25 year warranty, not really lifetime, but close. There are lots out there. Leatherman is my favorite.
Bill
I seem to be the only person here who's not madly in love with either Leatherman or Gerber...... :-\
anyhow, I use something called the Zilla-tool made by Columbia River Knife and Tool. it's a fairly simple piece; 2 screwdriver blades, a knife, and pliers. the beauty is that any of the above are quick and easy to get to (no origami tricks like with some multitools)
here's a link to the manufacturer, though you can find it about $20 cheaper elsewhere on the web. http://www.crkt.com/Zilla-Tool-Black-Handle-Bead-Blast-Finish
Can't go wrong with a Gerber or a Leatherman. If you want, you could also carry a fixed blade (within CAP Regs of course!). I carry both a multitool and a knife, just because they are both very useful. But, keep in mind, you want quality, and your knife/multitool is one area you don't want to go cheap. Keep it simple and reliable.
There was a blurb on the Leatherman on History Channel. It seems that the guy who invented the tool happens to be named Leatherman. Who knew?
Quote from: EMT-83 on June 22, 2011, 02:59:50 AM
There was a blurb on the Leatherman on History Channel. It seems that the guy who invented the tool happens to be named Leatherman. Who knew?
Amazing...
Quoth the wiki:
Timothy S. Leatherman, a 1970 mechanical engineering graduate of Oregon State University, and his business partner, Steve Berliner, formed Leatherman Tool Group in 1983 to sell Leatherman's first patented multi-tool prototype, called "Mr. Crunch" while in development.I always assumed it had something to do with working leather.
^^^Same.
Guess it's like the BAR, eh?
yeah, get the Victorinox. I got one, it has been a great thing to have around.
I would say either Gerber or Leatherman. I have and used both for day to day use and deployment use. The one I was most fond of was the Leatherman Wave for the bits which came in handy for changing the batteries in th radar handle. Can't go wrong with either company.
I would recommend this
http://artofmanliness.com/trunk/516/1800-year-old-roman-multitool/
I was just wondering if everyone on the ground team needs to be carrying a multi-tool. I know many hands make light work but just how often does a ground team have to take an airplane apart with their multi-tools.
Wouldn't it make more sense for at least one or two members to be carrying a real rescue knife/tool (http://www.google.com/search?q=rescue+knife&hl=en&rlz=1T4GZHY_enUS239US239&prmd=ivns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=vbwHTv_GPIbUgQfTlajCDQ&ved=0CD0QsAQ&biw=1440&bih=785). I'm thinking of something with your basic glass breaker and rescuee safe web belt cutter. If you want your hard kewl there are rescue knives like the Gerber Hinderer (http://www.gerber-tools.com/Gerber-Hinderer-Rescue-22-01534.htm)
Who said they were for taking apart airplanes? There are many things you do with them, mostly an individual's tasks. It is not easy to rely on two members definitely showing up with your multi-tool.
I just came across the Victorinox Rescue Tool http://www.swissarmy.com/MultiTools/Pages/Product.aspx?category=doityourself&product=53900& (http://www.swissarmy.com/MultiTools/Pages/Product.aspx?category=doityourself&product=53900&)
Essential tools in a trusted brand name. You must "watch the rescue Tool clip" and see what the guy does with this tool!
http://www.swissarmy.com/Flash/RescueTool_video/rescuetool_video.aspx (http://www.swissarmy.com/Flash/RescueTool_video/rescuetool_video.aspx)
(http://www.swissarmy.com/images/ProductCatalog/vm/vm_53900_sol_a02.jpg)
I like the thing in general, and the ability to swap out the window punch and saw belt cutter are nice features, too, though
my guess would be that while he's sawing the window, somebody else would just come by with a BFH and smash out the glass.
It was kind of funny to see how neatly he removed the windshield the first time, and then the two guys just basically wrecked the car.
I picked up a nearly new Leatherman Skeletool at a pawn shop recently.
It fits well in my large hands. The carabiner/bottle opener doesn't get in the way like I thought it might. The interchangeable screwdriver bits are held in the handle well. You can buy other types of bits from Leatherman. Basic knife, pliers and screwdriver bits are the tools included on this Leatherman.
Quote from: Senior on July 03, 2011, 12:52:16 AM
I picked up a nearly new Leatherman Skeletool at a pawn shop recently.
It fits well in my large hands. The carabiner/bottle opener doesn't get in the way like I thought it might. The interchangeable screwdriver bits are held in the handle well. You can buy other types of bits from Leatherman. Basic knife, pliers and screwdriver bits are the tools included on this Leatherman.
I've been eying those for a little while. How is the weight and size compared to a regular folding pocket knife?
(http://www.swissarmy.com/images/ProductCatalog/vm/vm_53900_sol_a02.jpg)
WANT...
DC, It is much lighter than the regular Leathermans I have. It has a natural
"feel" in your hand. It is comparable to a two blade small/medium pocket knife.
I think this model also has carbon fiber handles making it even lighter. I have large hands so the carabiner/bottle opener increases the gripping area when using the pliers. ;)
The good people of Amazon dropped one of these off at my house this morning.
Not exactly a multi-tool, but together with my PST it should fill my compliment nicely.
Good balance, well made, and a lifetime warranty. Not bad for $14.50 and free shipping.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31z6gkq-BfL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Quote from: Eclipse on July 09, 2011, 11:51:32 PM
The good people of Amazon dropped one of these off at my house this morning.
Not exactly a multi-tool, but together with my PST it should fill my compliment nicely.
Good balance, well made, and a lifetime warranty. Not bad for $14.50 and free shipping.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31z6gkq-BfL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
I used to have 2 of a very similar knife. I found that it was way too big for daily use and that the blade didn't stay sharp for long. Now I keep one in my 24 hour gear and it needs to be sharpened.
I love Smith & Wesson knives. I've carried one for years, now on my third. They're well designed, well made, and the steel quality is very good for the price.
I can't speak to anything "similar", but this one has a lifetime warranty and is sharp as poop right now.
Anybody using this?
(http://www.crkt.com/crkt/content/images_inv/f/f/377/Knife-DriverInstallWeb_full2_377.jpg)
http://www.crkt.com/idworksflux
It looks like something that would be good on paper but maybe not so good in use.
(http://www.crkt.com/crkt/content/images_inv/g/g/378/9041_full_378.jpg)
(http://www.crkt.com/crkt/content/images_inv/z/a/380/9044RightHalfOpen_full_380.jpg)
Do people really use flash drives that much? I have a couple I use for occasionally moving files between
platforms, or sneakernet when something better isn't handy, but would never trust gold-copies of my files to a flash.
Sometimes you need to bring files to the boss' mountain retreat where he has a computer- but he makes everyone mountain climb to it. So you need a survival tool that helps you keep your job but also is useful if something goes wrong.
It could happen.
The Gerber is superior to the Leatherman in that you can grab it, give a snap of the wrist and you have your pliers and wire cutters ready to go.
Leatherman is American made.
multi-tool = Leatherman - the rest are impersonators.
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6062/6067502538_b54aefa148_m.jpg)
Just bought myself a birthday present. Assisted opening blade, seat belt cutter, and window punch for US$12.
Edit: Just over 9" open, about 5.5" closed, with a 3.75" blade.
I just bought the one Eclipse posted on Amazon with free 2 day shipping (I LOVE Amazon Prime membership!) for free (kinda):
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I used my Amazon Visa, and used the points on the card directly on Amazon. Once out of college, I would LOVE to work for this company.