What to do? Badges?!? What to do with stinking BADGES?

Started by Major Carrales, August 29, 2011, 02:34:46 AM

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Quote from: Major Carrales on August 29, 2011, 03:21:41 AM
Quote from: Extremepredjudice on August 29, 2011, 03:18:00 AM
If someone is like "we need a reg or we can't wear them" tell them breathing isn't in the regs.

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Careful with statements like that, they are a slippery slope.
Hehe, if they pass out, tell them you were joking. >:D
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Quote from: Major Carrales on August 29, 2011, 03:06:20 AMThe badges are not universal problems, but I have run into them in the two situations involved.  Maybe there should be a standard policy on there to wear them in the regulations...I would suggest below the nametag clipped to the pocket flap.

Badges are worn where the issuing authority says to wear them. Some have lanyards, others are clip/pin on. "When in Rome..."
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JC004

Quote from: N Harmon on August 29, 2011, 02:59:57 AM
When and where are these ID badges required to be worn? This is the first I've heard of needing one.  :o

Airport sterile areas.  You've seen the TSA's blue badges?  That's them.  I have one (on my super-cool holder that I got at the CIA gift shop and I like because it's one of those retractable kinds for swiping or getting flashed with the silly handheld UV lights the TSA has).

I say CAP fall back to Air Force guidance here.  NHQ does that with things like mini-medal configuration, where CAP does not provide guidance.  It was only brought up a few uniform boards ago, so I believe it was after the CAP manual was published.  I remember it coming up.  It has been added to the new AFI.
Quote6.3.5. Lanyards/Access Passes/Identification Badges/Common Access Cards (CAC). Lanyards will be plain, solid black or dark-blue, silver small conservative link chains or clear plastic. Green lanyards are only authorized with the ABU or BDU. Only small DoD/USAF logos are authorized on the garment clip of retractable lanyards, other logos are not permitted anywhere on the lanyard. Access passes, identification badges, and common access cards are only authorized for wear when required within the confines of the location for which they were issued. When worn, they will be worn on the front of the body above the waist and below the neck and must not present a safety hazard.

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Quote from: Major Carrales on August 29, 2011, 02:34:46 AM
So, you are at a regional airport, lots of commercial traffic.  You are on a CAP mission...you land and are securing the aircraft when airport police approach you.  "Where is your TSA approved badge required to be worn on the outmost layer of clothing at all times?"  They ask.  "We don't have them we understood we could walk from the airport to our facility without needing one."  "Well, would you like one?  Y'all are approved to get them if you are active CAP, just take our course and we can get you one provided its for CAP use and you agree to all the rights and responsibilities attached to it?"  "Sure?"

Your CAP unit meets at a school or university.  All authorized adults or faculty/staff/sponsor members must wear a security badge at all times when on a school activity or on the school grounds. 

Problem...such badges are not in CAPM 39-1?  What to do?  Find a new meeting place to do CAP since the badge would violate regulations?  Do the CAP meeting in Civilian Clothes since the badges violate regulations...but host the meeting out or regulations?  Have the activities anyway without the badges and risk whatever punishment TSA, School authorities, University Police and other officials.

Comments?  Solutions?

You're over-reacting. The simple solution is to take an ID card and put it in a holder worn on a clip or lanyard.

I'd check with the airport manager or school/university administration to see if that is acceptable. Otherwise, find out what the airport or school needs and then check with wing to see who will pay for it.

In my wing, that's how it's done.

It works the same for me officially, I'm a state program manager.

Larry Mangum

There is no need for a regulation here nor an ICL.  As Pat stated, people in the Air Force wear secuirty badges all of the time, and guess what it is not in the uniform OI.  You simply clipped one on your pocket or wear it around your neck on a lanyard. End of story.
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JC004

Quote from: Larry Mangum on August 29, 2011, 12:27:56 PM
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and guess what it is not in the uniform OI.  You simply clipped one on your pocket or wear it around your neck on a lanyard. End of story.

huh?  quoted above.

Larry Mangum

Quote from: JC004 on August 29, 2011, 03:12:44 PM
Quote from: Larry Mangum on August 29, 2011, 12:27:56 PM
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and guess what it is not in the uniform OI.  You simply clipped one on your pocket or wear it around your neck on a lanyard. End of story.

huh?  quoted above.

Sorry meant AFI 36-2903
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JC004

Quote from: Larry Mangum on August 29, 2011, 03:18:30 PM
Quote from: JC004 on August 29, 2011, 03:12:44 PM
Quote from: Larry Mangum on August 29, 2011, 12:27:56 PM
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and guess what it is not in the uniform OI.  You simply clipped one on your pocket or wear it around your neck on a lanyard. End of story.

huh?  quoted above.

Sorry meant AFI 36-2903

I'm confused.  That is where the quote is from.

SarDragon

Larry, there's a new edition on the street. The quote above is from there, with specific mention of what's permitted, and not.
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