I've been to two air shows since moving to Florida and I didn't see CAP at either of them. As a cadet, we had displays at every air show here...at the same exact base I was at today. Heck, I didn't even see Sea Cadets and it was a Navy base.
Wonder what was so important that CAP couldn't land a friggin plane, set up some gear or at least pass out some brochures.
Wonder why membership continues to struggle...
Anyway, here are some pictures from NAS Jacksonville 2008.
Me and my son with Peltor noise cancelling hearing protection...he loved'em.
(http://www.jacksonvillesquadron.org/images/daddy_keegan1.jpg)
Our very own Christie Ducote, former Spaatz cadet from LAWG, she came up to visit.
(http://www.jacksonvillesquadron.org/images/ducote_keegan.jpg)
Heritage Flight I
(http://www.jacksonvillesquadron.org/images/hertage_flight.jpg)
Heritage Flight II
(http://www.jacksonvillesquadron.org/images/historic_flight.jpg)
Waste of gas...
(http://www.jacksonvillesquadron.org/images/jet_truck.jpg)
Son with "Navy Diver"
(http://www.jacksonvillesquadron.org/images/keegan_diver.jpg)
Son with EOD dude.
(http://www.jacksonvillesquadron.org/images/keegan_eod_dude.jpg)
Kneeling by his future trainer.
(http://www.jacksonvillesquadron.org/images/kneeling_t2.jpg)
82nd Airborne bringing in Old Glory.
(http://www.jacksonvillesquadron.org/images/riding_the_flag_in.jpg)
Prepare to land...
(http://www.jacksonvillesquadron.org/images/prepare_to_land.jpg)
Demos were sort of decent, but I miss Andrews AFB where they have about 4 hangars filled with 100s of booths and about 100 more static displays.
Ask the local units. We've had several threads on recruiting at airshows on the board and it seems to be a popular method. Had a CAP News article on one last week I believe.
When it comes right down to it airshows are an entirely local CAP matter. If someone local doesn't take the initiative to get CAP involved it won't get done by National or Wing. Might want to think about that.
I don't think theres been an airshow in my state that hasn't had CAP at it in many years (not counting very small local "shows" in towns without CAP units).
OK Wing's supported airshows this Summer at Altus, Tinker and Vance AFB; along with three or more shows at local airports. It's been a busy airshow season... :clap:
Ditto for my wing, though we had a couple called off because of fuel expenses.
We were definitely highly visible and involved in the Chicago show, Rockford show, and the one at Scott.
Glad to hear someone's doing it. Having 3 squadrons in the vicinity of the navy base, I don't think there's an excuse to NOT have something for the public to see.
At a couple of air shows around here, even if we didn't for whatever have a CAP booth, we took cadets in uniform. Just walking around in uniform, we've had people come up to us asking about CAP. We always made sure that we had some brochures and contact info available even if we didn't have a booth.
Here in Group 3 (Tampa area), we participate in two airshows annually; Sun & Fun in Lakeland, and the MacDill (AFB) Airfest.
Here's one of my shots from Airfest this year:
(http://group3.flwg.cap.gov/Cadet%20Programs/AirFest%202008/_w/IMG_7473-crop_jpg.jpg)
CAP is considered to be "part of the family" at the Edwards AFB and March ARB airshows.
The Security Forces Squadrons depend on us for about half of their manpower.
Quote from: Stonewall on October 27, 2008, 01:27:49 AM
Heck, I didn't even see Sea Cadets and it was a Navy base.
There were at least three dozen Sea Cadets when I was there Saturday. They were handing out brochures, assisting the attendees with special needs, and other duties.
Quote from: CASH172 on October 27, 2008, 04:18:17 AM
Quote from: Stonewall on October 27, 2008, 01:27:49 AM
Heck, I didn't even see Sea Cadets and it was a Navy base.
There were at least three dozen Sea Cadets when I was there Saturday. They were handing out brochures, assisting the attendees with special needs, and other duties.
You were in Jacksonville?
Quote from: Stonewall on October 27, 2008, 04:55:41 AM
Quote from: CASH172 on October 27, 2008, 04:18:17 AM
Quote from: Stonewall on October 27, 2008, 01:27:49 AM
Heck, I didn't even see Sea Cadets and it was a Navy base.
There were at least three dozen Sea Cadets when I was there Saturday. They were handing out brochures, assisting the attendees with special needs, and other duties.
You were in Jacksonville?
That's right.
What are you here for?
Anyway, I did see a couple of older "Young Marines" walking into the show as I left, but didn't see a single cadet anything other than those two.
In DC (Andrews AFB), we had one or two CAP planes, a van set up with all the GSAR gear, sold icecream or hamburgers, and put on demos with the L'per.
I've just never heard of an air show without CAP involved, just blows my mind.
I'm currently in school in ERAU at Daytona. I find it strange the Sea Cadets were there for only one day. I was also expecting some sort of a CAP presence and was amazed how there was absolutely none.
Quote from: CASH172 on October 27, 2008, 05:40:24 AM
I'm currently in school in ERAU at Daytona. I find it strange the Sea Cadets were there for only one day. I was also expecting some sort of a CAP presence and was amazed how there was absolutely none.
Yeah, I'm pretty shocked with Jacksonville, with three squadrons in that city alone, plus several others in nearby towns, there should have been somebody there...
The two recent occasions there were air shows in Gainesville, we had a lot of trouble participating. They wanted to charge us $1,200+ to have a booth of any kind (even a card table with brochures on it). To volunteer for them, they wanted to split our folks up (we couldn't ensure senior member supervision of our cadets) and wouldn't allow anyone under 16 to participate. One year we ended up selling lemonade through a 3rd party vendor, and the other we had a static display (aircraft) and a bunch of folks in uniform. I'm just saying sometimes the "powers that be" make it pretty difficult to have the kind of presence we want to. No idea if that happened in this situation.
Captain B The Air Show you mention wanted to charge $1200 was an error on their part. The Air Show Director knew better. The Airport Authority made provision for CAP to set up a booth area and have the 172 on display both days. The 172 was on a mission the first day and couldn't appear. I was Airport Authority Liaison with the air show and made arraingements for CAP and the Air Explorers to have a presence at the air show. The Young Marines also took part parking cars, but they made their own arraingements
I think Airshows are one of our essential recruiting and public awareness venues - and sadly - not well utilized.
The last airshow that we had here in NH (August 07) we hit hard. CAP was "in charge" of parking duty for the 160K people over both days, cadets provided assistance for flight line "security" (stand here and just ask people to step back from the barriers) and we had a display.
Our display entailed not 1, but 2 aircraft. A 182 glass and one with the Archer. We also had our communications 4X4 there with the mobile repeater in the back. We had a 50 X 100 spot and lots of volunteers. We handed out TONS of material which resulted in a lot of people being recruited.
When I was in VAWG, the Airpower over Hampton Roads Airshow was a fantastic success after our recruiting efforts there. We also provided some volunteer help. The base gave us VIP tickets to the VIP tent and the "commander's dinner." It enabled the cadets to rub elbows with the airshow pilots, VIPs, DVs, etc. It was a great time.
Sometimes people trying to get a spot for CAP at them get discouraged because they expect to vend out of their booth (selling sodas, or something) and the host expects the vending fee to be paid - sometimes upwards of $600.00. Unsure of if they are going to get that money back, they opt out entirely.
But, I think that we could say that this is a problem with the Wing's relationship with the AF locally. Airshows are usually held anually in most states, you might get 2 or 3 max. The wing should be taking the initiative to get the SD on the horn with the airshow coordinators to make sure that we have the opportunity to set up there and even help with some of the volunteer duties. You can't expect the local squadron to establish that sort of relationship or even know how to get in.
Airshows are an important recruiting resource, one that IMO is underutilized. IMO, a wing like RI could easily double their cadet membership at one successful airshow.
Quote from: jimmydeanno on October 27, 2008, 12:33:44 PM
Airshows are an important recruiting resource, one that IMO is underutilized. IMO, a wing like RI could easily double their cadet membership at one successful airshow.
Come on, dude, I doubled RI's membership just in my last recruiting drive :)
Quote from: NIN on October 27, 2008, 04:37:43 PM
Quote from: jimmydeanno on October 27, 2008, 12:33:44 PM
Airshows are an important recruiting resource, one that IMO is underutilized. IMO, a wing like RI could easily double their cadet membership at one successful airshow.
Come on, dude, I doubled RI's membership just in my last recruiting drive :)
Ouch... >:D
We also have found that airshow attendance (2 days) with a CAP booth & aircraft displays have been the most successful in bringing in new members. Even squadron open houses & other venues have not been as successful. I'm very surprised that the PAO at National Headquarters doesn't take a more proactive role in ensuring that at least the larger air shows are covered by CAP. BTW a great place to get an idea of when/where all the airshows are going to be held is at the International Council of Airshows website http://www.icashq.org/
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Quote from: jimmydeanno on October 27, 2008, 12:33:44 PM
I think Airshows are one of our essential recruiting and public awareness venues - and sadly - not well utilized.
:clap: :clap:
(My emphasis added)
Quote from: jimmydeanno on October 27, 2008, 12:33:44 PM
Sometimes people trying to get a spot for CAP at them get discouraged because they expect to vend out of their booth (selling sodas, or something) and the host expects the vending fee to be paid - sometimes upwards of $600.00. Unsure of if they are going to get that money back, they opt out entirely.
But, I think that we could say that this is a problem with the Wing's relationship with the AF locally. Airshows are usually held anually in most states, you might get 2 or 3 max. The wing should be taking the initiative to get the SD on the horn with the airshow coordinators to make sure that we have the opportunity to set up there and even help with some of the volunteer duties. You can't expect the local squadron to establish that sort of relationship or even know how to get in.
Airshows are an important recruiting resource, one that IMO is underutilized. IMO, a wing like RI could easily double their cadet membership at one successful airshow.
:clap: :clap: :clap:
I don't even need to write a post. This one summarizes my thoughts exactly.
My squadron has been helps at a local airshow every year.
Our squadron helped start a new one at our local airport. Officially, it was not an "air show," but an "aviation day." That helped calm nerves over insurance, etc., but the result was a great event for the community. Our squadron had a booth and the squadron in Los Alamos brought a CAP plane.
One of our local papers did a page-one story:
http://www.dchieftain.com/news/84121-10-22-08.html
We got a lot of inquiries about membership. And yes, we plan to do this again next year!
I don't recall the Niagara CAP at our last airshow. I think if they were there, I probably would have looked into joining a lot sooner, instead of just remembering from when I was 19 and discovered a California Squadron in Pasadena. Otherwise, like many other people, I would have never knew of it's exsistance (I think it was mentioned a few times in AFJROTC, but it seemed they had more interest in everyone going regular ROTC at a college, then going regular Air Force, and I don't even recall the local CAP even coming to talk to us).
As was posted in the Uniform section, I think even if CAP isn't involved directly with a certain airshow, one could ask their SC if they can go in uniform, and hand out pamphlets, business cards, and talk to people who might have an interest. especially anyone who has earned wings. Seems a uniform with wings on it is highly noticable......everyone wants to talk pilots at an airshow.
CAP has had a presence at the Mount Vernon, IL and Alton, IL Fly-Ins for years as well as the Scott AFB Open House http://www.ilgp1.org/scottairshow.htm
In fact I got a nice letter from the base Commander thanking CAP for being there and providing assistance.
CAP will be very visible at Aviation Nation this weekend.
I'm home sick, so I had the "opportunity" to watch "Inside - Oshkosh Airshow" at least 3 times.
http://www.wttw.com/main.taf?erube_fh=wttw&wttw.submit.EpisodeDetail=1&wttw.EpisodeID=164452&wttw.Channel=11.1
In a 60-minute episode that detailed setup to teardown, CAP is not mentioned once, nor did I see anyone easily identified as CAP, despite the fact that CAP supposedly has a huge, vital, presence there.
How is that possible? By the third viewing I was actively searching the crowds for anyone in a CAP uniform, and found nothing.
Being important does not equate to being ever mentioned in the news/TV/books...what ever.
Let's look at it on the other side....if CAP were to get a mention in the video....then we would have people complaining that CAP was inflating their worth/participation.
While I don't think we should do NBB to get noticed it would be nice if CAP was at least mentioned.
Sure it would be nice.
I sure the guys who placed and serviced the Port-a-pots and hauled out the trash feel the same way.
Bottom line is that just because some buy made a documentry about airventure and did not mention CAP does not mean we are NOT an important part of the operation.
My point here is that if CAP actually has the huge / key presence that is portended by the NBB people, it would be near impossible to not have them appear, at least in the crowd shots, and a big slight to not at least be mentioned once.
Plenty of other volunteers were highly visible and mentioned.
Last week, CAP had a CAP C182 on display at the AOPA Expo static display line thanks to efforts by local CAP members since neither CAP NHQ nor the Wing declined to fund a static display slot. And, lots of local CAP members staffed an indoor exhibit booth with the help of one NHQ person. There is a very nice and easily transportable CAP booth display set-up complete with the new gocivilairpatrol web address.
There is a "new" person at CAP NHQ responsible for coordinating all such national aviation shows. Not sure if that includes major airshows with Thunderbird or Blue Angels appearances. In the past decade or so its been hit or miss whether a local CAP wing or group gets involved in such "national" level recruiting opportunities. Perhaps this would be a good discussion thread for captalk?
Alice
I think every squadron should have a booth for such occasions in their inventory, and when there's an event (such as an airshow) in the area they want to participate in, the squadron(s) can make contact themselves to arrange it. I would tend to think that members who live in the area would know about an event before someone at NHQ would (I didn't know there was an Airshow Coordinator at NHQ).
This would not only allow more time to prepare for the event, it would also help build a relationship with the local squadrons, and the people and places (air bases, airports, etc) who hold these events.
Or does it have to be OK'd through NHQ?
It just seems like if you had to contact NHQ, let them know there's an airshow your squadron wants to be a part of, then they make the arrangements, and then contact the squadron with the OK, by the time that all happens, it would probably leave very little time to prepare for a good presentation....if the date hasn't passed alltogether.
Quote from: Rob Sherlin on November 11, 2008, 02:10:25 PM
I think every squadron should have a booth for such occasions in their inventory, and when there's an event (such as an airshow) in the area they want to participate in, the squadron(s) can make contact themselves to arrange it. I would tend to think that members who live in the area would know about an event before someone at NHQ would (I didn't know there was an Airshow Coordinator at NHQ).
This would not only allow more time to prepare for the event, it would also help build a relationship with the local squadrons, and the people and places (air bases, airports, etc) who hold these events.
Or does it have to be OK'd through NHQ?
It just seems like if you had to contact NHQ, let them know there's an airshow your squadron wants to be a part of, then they make the arrangements, and then contact the squadron with the OK, by the time that all happens, it would probably leave very little time to prepare for a good presentation....if the date hasn't passed alltogether.
Rob,
I can understand and appreciate your sentiments, you make some good points. Earlier in this thread I mentioned that I think that each wing should be responsible for ensuring that there is a CAP presence at every airshow in their jurisdiction. I think we would reasonably say that it is not too difficult for the State Directors to get a clear picture of the Major Base Sponsored airshows in their wing.
I think that one of the responsibilities should be to ensure that a good relationship is developed to make CAP both a resource (parking, etc - provides good visibility) as well as booth space.
If each WING had 1 or 2 recruiting displays that could be deployed (professionally designed and produced (no more foam boards with 20 year old pictures), they would be more than able to deploy those assets to whatever event is going on.
Doing this would remove the burden from the local units to find a contact, establish the relationship, convince that contact we need a spot, etc. Many/most units don't have the resources, staff, or experience to be able to do something like this, which is why I think that there is a dwindling presence of CAP at these things. It would place the responsibility on the wing to support their local units - imagine that!
A representative at NHQ could keep tabs on where assets are being located and could be responsible for sending "upgraded" displays out to wings or deploying some sort of national resource (tractor trailer recruiting thing) to the larger events in each region on a rotating basis. They could also be responsible for working with design companies and ensuring that recruiting resources are updated, distributed and available when needed.
Just my thoughts.
Jimmy,
That would definitely work!
And at the same time, the more CAP gets involved, the more the people who run the events will remember CAP, relations will be built, and then, THEY might be taking the initiative for CAP to get involved, instead of CAP contacting them (wouldn't that be awesome!). Especially with squadrons who are around or meet at air bases.
Just a quick report....because I just finished running the numbers.
We had over 1200 man hours at the Aviation Nation.
We had people from seven squadrons and two wings participat in a recruiting booth, static display, Ground Team display...checking entry credentials, doing exit counts, assiting security forces in-cheching bags, and assisting at the VIP challet.
Oh...and there was an air show!
The organisers think that we (CAP) did such a great job running our people...they want us to be the lead agency for all the "volunteer youth" groups next year .
Quote from: lordmonar on November 14, 2008, 04:35:49 AM
Just a quick report....because I just finished running the numbers.
We had over 1200 man hours at the Aviation Nation.
We had people from seven squadrons and two wings participat in a recruiting booth, static display, Ground Team display...checking entry credentials, doing exit counts, assiting security forces in-cheching bags, and assisting at the VIP challet.
Oh...and there was an air show!
The organisers think that we (CAP) did such a great job running our people...they want us to be the lead agency for all the "volunteer youth" groups next year .
Hey Pat, can you email me the details for our PAO project.
flyerthom#gmail.com
Quote from: lordmonar on November 14, 2008, 04:35:49 AM
The organizers think that we (CAP) did such a great job running our people...they want us to be the lead agency for all the "volunteer youth" groups next year .
Way to go sir, now that's what CAP is about, Showing others what CAP can do.
The Sea Cadet - Cruiser Milwaukee Division works the Milwaukee Air Show every year. I have not seen any CAP members working it in the 3 years I have been invovled.
Quote from: CASH172 on October 27, 2008, 04:18:17 AM
Quote from: Stonewall on October 27, 2008, 01:27:49 AM
Heck, I didn't even see Sea Cadets and it was a Navy base.
There were at least three dozen Sea Cadets when I was there Saturday. They were handing out brochures, assisting the attendees with special needs, and other duties.
Quote from: Stonewall on October 27, 2008, 01:27:49 AM
I've been to two air shows since moving to Florida and I didn't see CAP at either of them. As a cadet, we had displays at every air show here...at the same exact base I was at today. Heck, I didn't even see Sea Cadets and it was a Navy base.
I can think of five airshow that CAP has a active participation in within FL.
Sun-n Fun Lakeland, FL
Air-Fest Tampa, FL
International airshow, Punta Gorda, FL
LSA airshow Sebring, FL
and one over in the Cooca Beach area, i don't remember what it is called.
Ask around, there may be more, but of these all are annual and always a CAP presence
Still haven't seen CAP at air shows in the Jacksonville area since I was a cadet in the late 80s early 90s. Was just at NASJAX last week. No CAP. There were AFJROTC and Sea Cadets though.
Quote from: Stonewall on October 30, 2010, 04:17:34 PM
Still haven't seen CAP at air shows in the Jacksonville area since I was a cadet in the late 80s early 90s. Was just at NASJAX last week. No CAP. There were AFJROTC and Sea Cadets though.
I understand that. Seeing as you must be a member that is in that area, why not ask the local squadron WHY they are not participating the the airshow
I am a member of Mississippi Wing. I was not welcomed in these parts. Not even in the same squadron I grew up in 20+ years earlier. I guess I was just different. You know, involving cadets in things like ES, Air Shows and more than drill and some honor society.
Quote from: Stonewall on October 30, 2010, 07:43:43 PM
I am a member of Mississippi Wing. I was not welcomed in these parts. Not even in the same squadron I grew up in 20+ years earlier. I guess I was just different. You know, involving cadets in things like ES, Air Shows and more than drill and some honor society.
St Augustine Could and still Could use you. I know the SQ CC is a Civilian Navy Employee at NAS JAX and was trying to get St Augustine in on the Airshow this year guess that didn't work out.
Here in INWG our squadron is participating heavily in an EAA airshow with the B-17 Aluminum Overcast along with a Field of Honor. We participate in every air show and fly in around here and we do really well with the amount of interest in CAP from our booths.
Quote from: FLCAP 268 on October 31, 2010, 03:37:45 AMSt Augustine Could and still Could use you.
I'm going to be gone on a "vacation" for a while. When I get back I'll probably cross over to patron member or whatever that status is. In 8 years when my son can be in CAP, maybe I'll get active again. Anything is possible.
With airports and airshows disappearing all over the country, I'm not surprised. They is no airshow anywhere near me. I think the nearest show is about 5-6 hours drive away, so we are not the local squadron. We had a local airport day, but it rained and no one was there. Even on a nice day, the airport seems closed. There are no military airfields around either. I would hope that the places that do have good airshows have a CAP presence.
Alabama has had a presence at at least three airshows in the past 18 months -two in Tuscaloosa with the Blues, one at Maxwell in Montgomery with the Thunderbirds. To my knowledge, a number of new members joined as a direct result, and existing members really enjoyed participating.
This year:
Chicago Executive Open House - ICS Consultant and full partner to the airport management, recruiting, water sales, gate work and parking assistance.
Waukegan Airshow - partner to the airport management, command of the other paramilitary personnel helping (about 100 or so USNCC, AJROTC, NJROTC and others), flight line marshaling and crowd safety and observation.
Scott AFB Airshow - large precense, though I don't know full details as I wasn't there.
Plenty of other activity this year between Scott and Great Lakes.
Quote from: ammotrucker on October 30, 2010, 04:02:30 PM
Quote from: Stonewall on October 27, 2008, 01:27:49 AM
I've been to two air shows since moving to Florida and I didn't see CAP at either of them. As a cadet, we had displays at every air show here...at the same exact base I was at today. Heck, I didn't even see Sea Cadets and it was a Navy base.
I can think of five airshow that CAP has a active participation in within FL.
Sun-n Fun Lakeland, FL
Air-Fest Tampa, FL
International airshow, Punta Gorda, FL
LSA airshow Sebring, FL
and one over in the Cooca Beach area, i don't remember what it is called.
Ask around, there may be more, but of these all are annual and always a CAP presence
I think we got some aircraft for the Homestead Air Show as well.
maybe the group in Jax is the one that needs to be "fired up" to get them to show to airshows.
Here at Dyess we always have a recruiting booth and often times have our aircraft as a static display, and often times near the B-1. We also fly JOAP samples to Navy Ft. Worth for the demonstration aircraft. Though we didn't do that this year, they changed their maintenance routine so we wouldn't have to. :(