Flight suit name tag

[jb3]

I didn't want to start a new thread but I'm kind of excited about my new name tags and wanted to share. The picture on the blue BDU is for reference. Overall I'm happy with the quality and price. I will make some tweaks on the next round.

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[Imouttahere]

Looks good!  I suspect the final Vanguard ones will have rounded corners but I do like the color scheme that was chosen. If only we could tone done the colors on the CAP Command Patch. Not subdued but definitely darker.


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[Okayish Aviator]

Love it. I'll be ordering a few as soon as they become available.

[LATORRECA]

I did already.. my own means..waiting for them sometime this week...

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[Imouttahere]

I did already.. my own means..waiting for them sometime this week...

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Can you PM me your source?


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[Okayish Aviator]

I did already.. my own means..waiting for them sometime this week...

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Can you PM me your source?


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I know I wouldn't. I don't want any other companies getting a C&D. But, that said, they may look slightly different from the official one once they're released so they may be useless. Best to just wait.

[Hawk200]

I didn't want to start a new thread but I'm kind of excited about my new name tags and wanted to share. The picture on the blue BDU is for reference. Overall I'm happy with the quality and price. I will make some tweaks on the next round.

Those look more like old Army Air Corps observer wings than CAP wings.

[jb3]

Yea, the next round will be a little better. But I can't complain for $4. The shop I go to here in Korea has high quality equipment so I'll make sure they have a better graphic to work with next time. Super friendly shop with quick service.

[LATORRECA]

Yea, the next round will be a little better. But I can't complain for $4. The shop I go to here in Korea has high quality equipment so I'll make sure they have a better graphic to work with next time. Super friendly shop with quick service.

It looks good for $4.. I used al local shop, did the order and accepted. As someone mentioned, I keep it quite into order to avoid C&D order...

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[Imouttahere]

Looks like Vanguard is now carrying the new name tags. For some reason they went with square corners versus rounded (Air Force style). We'll see what the quality is like....

https://www.vanguardmil.com/products/civil-air-patrol-blue-cloth-name-patch-single-emblem




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[Okayish Aviator]

Looks like Vanguard is now carrying the new name tags. For some reason they went with square corners versus rounded (Air Force style). We'll see what the quality is like....

https://www.vanguardmil.com/products/civil-air-patrol-blue-cloth-name-patch-single-emblem




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Loving that Vanguard quality! lol.

The ones I made were far higher quality...



Note: size variation is just angle of camera. They are perfectly identical and appropriate size.

[Imouttahere]

Those looks great. I received some as well that were higher quality than Vanguards and the rounded edges are consistent with the Air Force. As an Air Force vet, somethings will always look off to me....


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[LATORRECA]

Those looks great. I received some as well that were higher quality than Vanguards and the rounded edges are consistent with the Air Force. As an Air Force vet, somethings will always look off to me....


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And. Much likely for half of the price. Vanguard 14.50 and the other source is $4.00 per..


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[CAPJOE]

Looks like Vanguard is now carrying the new name tags. For some reason they went with square corners versus rounded (Air Force style). We'll see what the quality is like....

https://www.vanguardmil.com/products/civil-air-patrol-blue-cloth-name-patch-single-emblem



I can't figure out why these are $4 more than the current leather ones. You'd think that cloth would be cheaper.

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[SarDragon]

Embroidery is a more expensive process. The machinery costs more, the name tags take longer to make, and the process is more labor intensive.

[supertigerCH]

i wonder if the squared (rather than rounded) corners... are Vanguard just going with a more simple (and therefore easier) way to make the patch... 


OR


if this is another small detail -- done intentionally... to make CAP uniforms slightly different (visually) from the Air Force's uniforms. 

[Okayish Aviator]

i wonder if the squared (rather than rounded) corners... are Vanguard just going with a more simple (and therefore easier) way to make the patch... 

OR

if this is another small detail -- done intentionally... to make CAP uniforms slightly different (visually) from the Air Force's uniforms. 

So, I'll make a complete SWAG here but I think it's intentional. It could be both. But lets look at some similar things we see. Below is a picture of the recently launched Bob Behnken who is a USAF Col and NASA astronaut. Although he's clearly AF, he's also part of a civilian gov agency. On his flight suit, we've also got squared off corners. Same goes for Doug Hurley and his flight suit name patch.

It makes sense in a weird way, but either way you slice it that's what we got. Now if only Vanguard would make the quality of their products a bit more consistent I think we'd all be happy with it... or you know maybe not have an exclusive deal with one company.

[LATORRECA]

Those looks great. I received some as well that were higher quality than Vanguards and the rounded edges are consistent with the Air Force. As an Air Force vet, somethings will always look off to me....


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And. Much likely for half of the price. Vanguard 14.50 and the other source is $4.00 per..


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Correction I bought 2 for $9.00 each. Paid 18.00 plus shipping. I think their still cheaper than VG...just to clarify....my mistake on the comment above.

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[PHall]

Personally I think Vanguard went with the square corners because it's easier for them.

[Capt Thompson]

You guys are overthinking it, VG makes what NHQ tells them to make, if it's harder to make they'll just sell it for more. The photo in CAPR 39-1 Figure A6-3 Pg 143 shows squared off corners, so they made squared corners. 

[PHall]

You guys are overthinking it, VG makes what NHQ tells them to make, if it's harder to make they'll just sell it for more. The photo in CAPR 39-1 Figure A6-3 Pg 143 shows squared off corners, so they made squared corners. 

Probably because they just used the exact same specs they use on the leather name tags.

Cloth flightsuit name tags with square corners are not unheard of. The Navy and Marine Corps use them.
It's just that the Air Force uses the rounded corners on theirs.

[supertigerCH]

i wonder if the squared (rather than rounded) corners... are Vanguard just going with a more simple (and therefore easier) way to make the patch... 

OR

if this is another small detail -- done intentionally... to make CAP uniforms slightly different (visually) from the Air Force's uniforms. 

So, I'll make a complete SWAG here but I think it's intentional. It could be both. But lets look at some similar things we see. Below is a picture of the recently launched Bob Behnken who is a USAF Col and NASA astronaut. Although he's clearly AF, he's also part of a civilian gov agency. On his flight suit, we've also got squared off corners. Same goes for Doug Hurley and his flight suit name patch.

It makes sense in a weird way, but either way you slice it that's what we got. Now if only Vanguard would make the quality of their products a bit more consistent I think we'd all be happy with it... or you know maybe not have an exclusive deal with one company.

yeah... these are all pretty good explanations for why they might have decided to go with squared corners. personally i don't mind if the corners of the name tag are square or rounded. 

if it really is true that square corners have been intentionally done as another small way of indicating "civilian" (even including agencies such as NASA, as has just been mentioned)... then that's okay with me.  actually its even kind of a neat & easy way of doing it.

no complaints from me... this really is just a tiny issue.  i reckon most CAP members feel the same way... and think it's just nice to have moved to to the cloth-type name tags, since that is what military services and most government agencies seem to have switched to.  it allows CAP uniforms to least keep current with the times.

[SarDragon]

yeah... these are all pretty good explainations explanations for why they might have decided to go with squared corners. personally i don't mind if the corners of the name tag are square or rounded. 

if it really is true that square corners have been intentionally done as another small way of indicating "civilian" (even including agencies such as NASA, as has just been mentioned)... then that's okay with me.  actually its even kind of a neat & easy way of doing it.

no complaints from me... this really is just a tiny issue.  i reckon most CAP members feel the same way... and think it's just nice to have moved to to the cloth-type name tags, since that is what military services and most government agencies seem to have switched to.  it allows CAP uniforms to least keep current with the times.

That's a little too general - the Navy and Marine Corps still use leather name tags on their flight gear.

[PHall]

yeah... these are all pretty good explainations explanations for why they might have decided to go with squared corners. personally i don't mind if the corners of the name tag are square or rounded. 

if it really is true that square corners have been intentionally done as another small way of indicating "civilian" (even including agencies such as NASA, as has just been mentioned)... then that's okay with me.  actually its even kind of a neat & easy way of doing it.

no complaints from me... this really is just a tiny issue.  i reckon most CAP members feel the same way... and think it's just nice to have moved to to the cloth-type name tags, since that is what military services and most government agencies seem to have switched to.  it allows CAP uniforms to least keep current with the times.

That's a little too general - the Navy and Marine Corps still use leather name tags on their flight gear.

I've seen a lot of Navy and Marine Corps personnel in flight suits that had cloth name tags on them.
I "think" the leather tags are mostly worn by folks still in the training pipeline.
They haven't reached their unit yet.

[supertigerCH]

yeah... these are all pretty good explainations explanations for why they might have decided to go with squared corners. personally i don't mind if the corners of the name tag are square or rounded. 

if it really is true that square corners have been intentionally done as another small way of indicating "civilian" (even including agencies such as NASA, as has just been mentioned)... then that's okay with me.  actually its even kind of a neat & easy way of doing it.

no complaints from me... this really is just a tiny issue.  i reckon most CAP members feel the same way... and think it's just nice to have moved to to the cloth-type name tags, since that is what military services and most government agencies seem to have switched to.  it allows CAP uniforms to least keep current with the times.

That's a little too general - the Navy and Marine Corps still use leather name tags on their flight gear.

Yes, you are correct that would have been too general... 

thus, was the reason i didn't say all those in military services   


leather name tags certainly can still be found being worn... even though the trend has been toward the cloth versions

[PHall]

The one place you will always see leather name tags is on a leather jacket.

[Paul Creed III]

Received my name tags fresh from Vanguard in today's mail.

[Eclipse]

There are three "E's" in "Creed"?

[Paul Creed III]

There are three "E's" in "Creed"?

Where are you seeing 3 letter E's in my last name?

[Eclipse]

Made you look!

[Capt Thompson]

Mine arrived today. The quality is ok, stitching on the letters could be better and there is a small hump between the wings and name, but other than that I think they are an improvement over the old leather patch.

[SARDOC]

Cloth nametag for officers will include name (first and last) and may include ) and may include one badge as described as described above. No grade will be printed on the cloth nametag for officers. For NCOs, the NCO Grade and "CAP" will be printed on the nametag. For Cadets, the words "Cadet" and "CAP" will be printed on the nametag

Does anybody happen to know why they decided that CAP Officers won't get the grade embroidered on there but CAP NCOs do? 

[Phil Hirons, Jr.]

Do the NCOs wear grade on the shoulders of the flight suit?

[Capt Thompson]

Cloth nametag for officers will include name (first and last) and may include ) and may include one badge as described as described above. No grade will be printed on the cloth nametag for officers. For NCOs, the NCO Grade and "CAP" will be printed on the nametag. For Cadets, the words "Cadet" and "CAP" will be printed on the nametag

Does anybody happen to know why they decided that CAP Officers won't get the grade embroidered on there but CAP NCOs do? 

Officers wear grade on the shoulders of their flight suits but NCO's don't.

[GZCP31]

Cloth nametag for officers will include name (first and last) and may include ) and may include one badge as described as described above. No grade will be printed on the cloth nametag for officers. For NCOs, the NCO Grade and "CAP" will be printed on the nametag. For Cadets, the words "Cadet" and "CAP" will be printed on the nametag

Does anybody happen to know why they decided that CAP Officers won't get the grade embroidered on there but CAP NCOs do? 

CAPR 39-1 8.2.3. Grade Insignia. paraphrased
You do not wear grade on the FDU unless you are an officer. (Cadets and NCOs do not wear grade)


As an officer you have your grade on the shoulders.

[audiododd]

Cloth nametag for officers will include name (first and last) and may include ) and may include one badge as described as described above. No grade will be printed on the cloth nametag for officers. For NCOs, the NCO Grade and "CAP" will be printed on the nametag. For Cadets, the words "Cadet" and "CAP" will be printed on the nametag

Does anybody happen to know why they decided that CAP Officers won't get the grade embroidered on there but CAP NCOs do? 

Not sure, but my guess is that officers already have their rank on their shoulders and NCOs don't.  USAF requires rank on the FDU nametag for enlisted and it's an option for officers, not sure why CAP didn't go that route.

[Slim]

Got mine today, and they look good, embroidery is ok.  Only issue is that I ordered four, but they only sent three.

Already emailed them.

[PHall]

Cloth nametag for officers will include name (first and last) and may include ) and may include one badge as described as described above. No grade will be printed on the cloth nametag for officers. For NCOs, the NCO Grade and "CAP" will be printed on the nametag. For Cadets, the words "Cadet" and "CAP" will be printed on the nametag

Does anybody happen to know why they decided that CAP Officers won't get the grade embroidered on there but CAP NCOs do? 

Not sure, but my guess is that officers already have their rank on their shoulders and NCOs don't.  USAF requires rank on the FDU nametag for enlisted and it's an option for officers, not sure why CAP didn't go that route.

Officer grade insignia is sewn on on military flight suits and is not removable.
This is to comply with the Geneva Accords regarding POW's.
At least that's what they told us in the Air Force during out annual Law of Armed Conflict classes.

[Imouttahere]

Cloth nametag for officers will include name (first and last) and may include ) and may include one badge as described as described above. No grade will be printed on the cloth nametag for officers. For NCOs, the NCO Grade and "CAP" will be printed on the nametag. For Cadets, the words "Cadet" and "CAP" will be printed on the nametag

Does anybody happen to know why they decided that CAP Officers won't get the grade embroidered on there but CAP NCOs do? 

Not sure, but my guess is that officers already have their rank on their shoulders and NCOs don't.  USAF requires rank on the FDU nametag for enlisted and it's an option for officers, not sure why CAP didn't go that route.

You're correct. That's the practice in the Air Force.


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[Okayish Aviator]

The one that got me is that the FO, TFO and SFO have cloth rank that can go on the FDU, but there is an option for TFO and SFO on the cloth namepatch.

There was never plastic encased for flight officers so that is likely the reason the option is on the name patch. The regulation does not address it. I'm sure if USAF still had Warrant/Flight Officers, we'd have something to go on. Likely this is another example of an oversight.

Personally I think for Flight Officers, throw that rank on the shoulders, and wear the name patch with no rank. Prevents you from having to purchase a new namepatch later. All you have to do is change the shoulders.

[Shuman 14]

Slightly off topic question here, but are the cloth name tags also going to be used on the Leather Flight Jacket too?

If so, rank of any kind is not normally attached to the Leather Flight Jacket so if rank for officers is not included on the cloth tag, how do they know how to properly address you if wearing the leather? 

[Eclipse]

...are the cloth name tags also going to be used on the Leather Flight Jacket too?

No.

[Imouttahere]

Slightly off topic question here, but are the cloth name tags also going to be used on the Leather Flight Jacket too?

If so, rank of any kind is not normally attached to the Leather Flight Jacket so if rank for officers is not included on the cloth tag, how do they know how to properly address you if wearing the leather? 

On active duty, you've got rank on your flight cap. Less of an issue for CAP.


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[PHall]

Slightly off topic question here, but are the cloth name tags also going to be used on the Leather Flight Jacket too?

If so, rank of any kind is not normally attached to the Leather Flight Jacket so if rank for officers is not included on the cloth tag, how do they know how to properly address you if wearing the leather? 

On active duty, you've got rank on your flight cap. Less of an issue for CAP.


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In the Active Duty/Reserve/Air Guard, per AFI 36-2903, Para A6.4.2 "Both officer and enlisted rank insignia on the Leather A-2 Flying Jacket is on the tag only. ( see paragraph A6.5.2.2 )."

Paragraph A6.5.2.2 " Leather A-2 Flying Jacket Accoutrements Nametag. The nametag is 2 x 4 inches, brown or black leather, simulated leather. Emboss with wings or qualifying badge, first and last name, rank, and USAF."

[JC004]

The one that got me is that the FO, TFO and SFO have cloth rank that can go on the FDU, but there is an option for TFO and SFO on the cloth namepatch.

I think that's Vanguard's mistake.  They didn't pick a direction.  FO is missing from the list, and should be there if that were the policy.  Possibly a webmaster error removing from a copied/pasted list.

...and there is no specific mention in R 39-1 of Flight Officers of any kind doing anything but what all other officers do.

It would have been easier for me if we still had Warrant Officers instead when I was Flight Officer age, because I had my grandparents' plastic encased CAP Warrant Officer insignia.  Later, I wore my grandfather's Capt insignia.  After I got promoted, they went on my fiancee's flight suit before she died.  One of the few things that went unchanged in CAP for a VERY long time.

[Imouttahere]

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[Okayish Aviator]

The one that got me is that the FO, TFO and SFO have cloth rank that can go on the FDU, but there is an option for TFO and SFO on the cloth namepatch.

I think that's Vanguard's mistake.  They didn't pick a direction.  FO is missing from the list, and should be there if that were the policy.  Possibly a webmaster error removing from a copied/pasted list.

...and there is no specific mention in R 39-1 of Flight Officers of any kind doing anything but what all other officers do.

It would have been easier for me if we still had Warrant Officers instead when I was Flight Officer age, because I had my grandparents' plastic encased CAP Warrant Officer insignia.  Later, I wore my grandfather's Capt insignia.  After I got promoted, they went on my fiancee's flight suit before she died.  One of the few things that went unchanged in CAP for a VERY long time.

I've got a new Cadet to FO and she was curious about that, so since there is no FO on the list with Scamguard, She'll sew the FO rank on the shoulder and wear the name patch like any other officer.

[JC004]

If I talk to them on the phone again, I'll try to raise the issue. 

in my grandfather's photos, the uniforms generally look so good and consistent.  :-(

[JC004]

I raised this issue with Ms. Parker at NHQ, so we'll see what happens.

It looks like I'll be doing a lot of mail-order and local-member sewing to add cloth insignia to flight suits now.  I'm already doing 4 uniforms for people starting this weekend.  I guess it helps that I charge very little (mostly just to cover supplies), have a good process to get the work very precise (with some ideas stolen from NIN), and always get it done according to regulations.    I was glad to find the new rules got me some sewing service inquiries in my CAPTalk inbox.  YAY.

[Imouttahere]

I raised this issue with Ms. Parker at NHQ, so we'll see what happens.

It looks like I'll be doing a lot of mail-order and local-member sewing to add cloth insignia to flight suits now.  I'm already doing 4 uniforms for people starting this weekend.  I guess it helps that I charge very little (mostly just to cover supplies), have a good process to get the work very precise (with some ideas stolen from NIN), and always get it done according to regulations.    I was glad to find the new rules got me some sewing service inquiries in my CAPTalk inbox.  YAY.

Glad you're doing that. People's positioning of the majcom Velcro drives me nuts. Too low, too high, or practically a shoulder patch.


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[NIN]

He's stealing business from me. Lol.

[JC004]

He's stealing business from me. Lol.

Freeing you up for wing duties, I call it.

[JohhnyD]

Can someone PM me with the source of the non-Vanguard nametag?

In advance, thank you!

[Slim]

Can someone PM me with the source of the non-Vanguard nametag?

In advance, thank you!

Good luck

[Okayish Aviator]

Can someone PM me with the source of the non-Vanguard nametag?

In advance, thank you!

Good luck

Now that the official ones are out, you're better off just going that route to avoid issues.

Many folks who have sources for stuff are reluctant to send people to them because there is a risk, if they don't know you, they can't trust that you won't turn their source in and them get a C&D. That would mean they might not be able to get custom (read as non-uniform item) stuff anymore from their people.

I'm not saying you would JohnnyD, but that's the rationale.

[Eclipse]

NHQ gets no pass from me on quality or specification issues, but this is one of
the reasons that "uniformity" is a four-letter word in CAP.

Just buy it from VG and move on.

[PHall]

I just received mine a couple of days ago. Quality is "alright", not spectacular, not terrible.
Corners are not rounded but it's functional and it's doesn't look like crap.
I've brought and paid for worse.

[Hawk200]

I've got a new Cadet to FO and she was curious about that, so since there is no FO on the list with Scamguard, She'll sew the FO rank on the shoulder and wear the name patch like any other officer.

Seems to be the easiest way to go.

Now, let's pray not nothing interferes with the common sense.

[Hawk200]

...
Many folks who have sources for stuff are reluctant to send people to them because there is a risk, if they don't know you, they can't trust that you won't turn their source in and them get a C&D. That would mean they might not be able to get custom (read as non-uniform item) stuff anymore from their people.

I'm not saying you would JohnnyD, but that's the rationale.

And, its messed up that it's even a worry. Volunteers should be able to use least expensive options.

[Hawk200]

Hopefully, I'll be rejoining in the next month or three, but have a suspicion that it may take a bit before I get rank back.

Anybody think a designation for "Senior member" would be required, or should I just put name and wings on the tag, and be quiet about it? (Just sew the rank on later when I get it back.)

Since cadets have to put "Cadet" on the tag, shouldn't be too much confusion if rank isn't on the tag.

Wouldn't want to have to get a tag, and then replace it within a few months.

I'll dig in 39-1, but was curious as to thoughts on it.

[Capt Thompson]

Hopefully, I'll be rejoining in the next month or three, but have a suspicion that it may take a bit before I get rank back.

Anybody think a designation for "Senior member" would be required, or should I just put name and wings on the tag, and be quiet about it? (Just sew the rank on later when I get it back.)

Since cadets have to put "Cadet" on the tag, shouldn't be too much confusion if rank isn't on the tag.

Wouldn't want to have to get a tag, and then replace it within a few months.

I'll dig in 39-1, but was curious as to thoughts on it.

There isn't an option to put "Senior Member" on the new cloth tags, so go with the regs for an Officer and just get wings and name, and sew the officer rank on once it's official. How long were you out? Does your professional development match your previous rank, if so it shouldn't take long to get it back.

[Hawk200]

There isn't an option to put "Senior Member" on the new cloth tags, so go with the regs for an Officer and just get wings and name, and sew the officer rank on once it's official. How long were you out? Does your professional development match your previous rank, if so it shouldn't take long to get it back.

Been eight years. Was a Major. Have Level 3 at the time. I think you have to have Level 4 now. I had one thing to do for Level 4 then, but don't know what's needed now. If I can just complete requirement, I'll finish it, and hopefully be able to get Major back.

As to the tag, thanks for the info on that. I'll order one in a few weeks. Would like to get back in the air as soon as I can. Having a proper uniform would be good.

Anyone know which wings are available to order?

[Capt Thompson]

There isn't an option to put "Senior Member" on the new cloth tags, so go with the regs for an Officer and just get wings and name, and sew the officer rank on once it's official. How long were you out? Does your professional development match your previous rank, if so it shouldn't take long to get it back.

Been eight years. Was a Major. Have Level 3 at the time. I think you have to have Level 4 now. I had one thing to do for Level 4 then, but don't know what's needed now. If I can just complete requirement, I'll finish it, and hopefully be able to get Major back.

As to the tag, thanks for the info on that. I'll order one in a few weeks. Would like to get back in the air as soon as I can. Having a proper uniform would be good.

Anyone know which wings are available to order?

Correct, you would have to complete Level IV and then request reinstatement to Major, otherwise with Level III you would have railroad tracks again. Requirements for the levels are changing 4 Aug so unless you already have RSC and can finish Level IV quickly, you will have to go by the new requirements.

As for the new flight suit tag, you can get any currently authorized wings added, but you are now limited to one badge, so you couldn't do pilot and ground team on the same badge like you could with the old leather badges.

[NovemberWhiskey]

Anybody think a designation for "Senior member" would be required, or should I just put name and wings on the tag, and be quiet about it? (Just sew the rank on later when I get it back.)

The tenor of the regulation is that members without grade pursuing officer rank wear things like those with officer grade (e.g. US cutouts on service coat, officer-style flight cap), so I would get the no-grade cloth badge.

[Hawk200]

The tenor of the regulation is that members without grade pursuing officer rank wear things like those with officer grade (e.g. US cutouts on service coat, officer-style flight cap), so I would get the no-grade cloth badge.

Perfect. Still have the officer items from last time, so won't need much. Basically, just use my old uniforms after I pull rank off.

Kinda looking forward to the cloth nametag. Always liked them. (Looking for a source to do my my wings. Vanguard won't do them.)

[SARDOC]

...
Many folks who have sources for stuff are reluctant to send people to them because there is a risk, if they don't know you, they can't trust that you won't turn their source in and them get a C&D. That would mean they might not be able to get custom (read as non-uniform item) stuff anymore from their people.

I'm not saying you would JohnnyD, but that's the rationale.

And, its messed up that it's even a worry. Volunteers should be able to use least expensive options.

Being "Messed up" is an indicator that it's a legit Vanguard Product.  I'd be worried the giveaway would be if it was "too Perfect"