Independent Study

[ElectricPenguin]

There is a 80% chance I will be moving to China. Anyone know some details on how I can still be in CAP and promote? As I have heard in the past that there is some type of system to where I could do this.  I will still be coming back to the US a few times a year for encampment and such.

[ElectricPenguin]

Thanks in advance.

[Spaceman3750]

52-16 allows NHQ to grant permission to cadets to progress via independent study, on a case-by-case basis. Contact NHQ/CP through channels for more details.

There was another person posting on this topic awhile back. I never heard what happened.

[davidsinn]

It probably will not work for technical reasons. The great firewall of China would most likely block the .gov that eServices resides on. If you can't test you can't promote.

[ElectricPenguin]

It probably will not work for technical reasons. The great firewall of China would most likely block the .gov that eServices resides on. If you can't test you can't promote.

Surely NHQ has something for cases like this! Maybe paper test? 

[davidsinn]

It probably will not work for technical reasons. The great firewall of China would most likely block the .gov that eServices resides on. If you can't test you can't promote.

Surely NHQ has something for cases like this! Maybe paper test? 

I doubt it. I wouldn't invest the money in something that would only be used once or twice in a decade. How many cadets move to China?

[ElectricPenguin]

It probably will not work for technical reasons. The great firewall of China would most likely block the .gov that eServices resides on. If you can't test you can't promote.

Surely NHQ has something for cases like this! Maybe paper test? 

I doubt it. I wouldn't invest the money in something that would only be used once or twice in a decade. How many cadets move to China?

I don't know, I don't work at NHQ.

[davidsinn]

It probably will not work for technical reasons. The great firewall of China would most likely block the .gov that eServices resides on. If you can't test you can't promote.

Surely NHQ has something for cases like this! Maybe paper test? 

I doubt it. I wouldn't invest the money in something that would only be used once or twice in a decade. How many cadets move to China?

I don't know, I don't work at NHQ.

We only have 25k cadets or so. It can't be many that's for sure. I would suggest looking into it but be prepared for the fact that you might just be screwed.

[Spaceman3750]

It probably will not work for technical reasons. The great firewall of China would most likely block the .gov that eServices resides on. If you can't test you can't promote.

This is a good point, and something I brought up in the last thread (if it doesn't block the .gov, encryption is banned there IIRC). Personally, I'm not sure I would want to attract attention to myself like that while in China.

[SarDragon]

Where in China? Taiwan? Hong Kong? Mainland?

[ElectricPenguin]

Where in China? Taiwan? Hong Kong? Mainland?

This is where we seem to be going. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henan My step dad met with the mayor a week or two ago to build a stadium they want. 

I found these links:

http://capnhq.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/484/kw/independent%20study/session/L3RpbWUvMTMyODQ5NDI0Ny9zaWQvNTFVR1RaUGs%3D

http://capnhq.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/542/kw/independent%20study/session/L3RpbWUvMTMyODQ5NDI0Ny9zaWQvNTFVR1RaUGs%3D

[SarDragon]

OK, mainland. It looks like you are pretty well screwed. How long will you be there?

You can maintain your present unit affiliation, and take a leave of absence, if you'll have enough cadet time left.

[ElectricPenguin]

OK, mainland. It looks like you are pretty well screwed. How long will you be there?

You can maintain your present unit affiliation, and take a leave of absence, if you'll have enough cadet time left.

Atleast a year. I am trying to get myself into the Florida Air Academy.

[Daniel]

So your stepdad will be working for the chinese, and you won't be on base...

I would talk to NHQ like umpteen others have said..

Anyone know if its legal to just go around the great firewall?

for the record, facebook and youtube are currently blocked in china...

so you might have an interesting time on chinanet.

[Spaceman3750]

Anyone know if its legal to just go around the great firewall?

I don't have any hard data to back this up, but my gut says it's a bad idea. It's technically possible, and searching says it's frequently done, but I the idea of Chinese black helicopters is enough to make me think twice...

[Daniel]

Anyone know if its legal to just go around the great firewall?

I don't have any hard data to back this up, but my gut says it's a bad idea. It's technically possible, and searching says it's frequently done, but I the idea of Chinese black helicopters is enough to make me think twice...

Yea, use OpenDNS, next thing you know the chinese secret police are knocking at your door ready to take you to one of those lovely labor camps.

[a2capt]

Your current unit may work with you, too. If I had an opportunity to live a year in China I can't say I'd turn it down, either. But if you're in of range of an APO/FPO/DPO address, you're mail connection to the US mainland is practically the same as domestic service. (There's a few limitations on parcel contents, but letter mail is the same). Likewise, if you have such access you probably have access to Real Internet. Building a stadium, unless it's in a diplomatic compound, I doubt it, though.

It's probably one thing to use the internet, and find ways around it, and quite another thing to share that with people you meet there.

[ElectricPenguin]

Your current unit may work with you, too. If I had an opportunity to live a year in China I can't say I'd turn it down, either. But if you're in of range of an APO/FPO/DPO address, you're mail connection to the US mainland is practically the same as domestic service. (There's a few limitations on parcel contents, but letter mail is the same). Likewise, if you have such access you probably have access to Real Internet. Building a stadium, unless it's in a diplomatic compound, I doubt it, though.

It's probably one thing to use the internet, and find ways around it, and quite another thing to share that with people you meet there.

I thought of useing skype screen share for test, but skype is blocked too.

They want the stadium, not us. I suspect it will be huge, as the top will slide off.

[SarDragon]

Your current unit may work with you, too. If I had an opportunity to live a year in China I can't say I'd turn it down, either. But if you're in of range of an APO/FPO/DPO address, you're mail connection to the US mainland is practically the same as domestic service. (There's a few limitations on parcel contents, but letter mail is the same). Likewise, if you have such access you probably have access to Real Internet. Building a stadium, unless it's in a diplomatic compound, I doubt it, though.

It's probably one thing to use the internet, and find ways around it, and quite another thing to share that with people you meet there.

I think I can say with Ivory Soap certainty that APO/FPO/DPO service will be unavailable.

[Extremepredjudice]

Anyone know if its legal to just go around the great firewall?

I don't have any hard data to back this up, but my gut says it's a bad idea. It's technically possible, and searching says it's frequently done, but I the idea of Chinese black helicopters is enough to make me think twice...

It isn't hard to get past the firewall. I have some ideas. DEFINITLY not a good idea. Don't try it. Period.

They track everything over there. If you do get past, you will be helping build that stadium, and not in a good way.

[LGM30GMCC]

Remember you will be in a foreign and only-kinda-sorta friendly nation. You are not a diplomat and therefore completely subject to the laws of the country in which you reside. I would concur with the assessments of the poor consequences of trying to circumvent the PRC government. Take it as an opportunity to learn about another culture. There is opportunity there and if there is some way to accomplish/continue in the CP that would be excellent, though unlikely.

Also be nice to your janitors. And if a group of bullies seems to be wanting to beat you up for looking at the local you find attractive you may be surprised who helps you. You may then learn new lessons about respect, yourself and your inner strength. In the end you may well rise above the bullies and be able to face them one at a time and gain their respect...j/k 

[Johnny Yuma]

Any way to avoid going over there? Despite all of their smiles and their buying our debt they're not really an ally of ours.

Unless you're a dependent of a US.gov employee I can't see you having much access online back here into anything CAP, period. Even if you try, you're going to be on the radar of the Chinese .mil and intel networks, which isn't a good place for anyone to be.

You mention Florida Air Academy. How will you be schooled in China? American schools, American educators? I'd be checking on how this would affect your admissions.

Just IMHO, but these are strange times. If I could find a way not to live overseas right now I'd stay at home.

[BillB]

During the middle of the Cold War, I had a cadet in a Squadron I was Commanding go to Russia. I snail mailed tests to him and they were proctored by the cadets parents. (who were also CAP members) Got an OK from National to do this due to Test Security. The cadet mailed back video tapes of his PT testing and got a local church representative to provide the Moral Leadership postion of the testing. Worrked out OK.  He was only in Russia for about 18 months but completed five achievements while there. Couldn't do more because of time tests or material was in mail transit.
It took a gazillion phone calls to National to resolve problems and get the OK's. The cadet took him Mitchell by driving over 100 miles to Moscow and getting the Military Affairs Officer to proctor thetests and talk to a military Chaplain for the moral leadership postion. This was apperently the first time National had this come up but it was doable.

[ElectricPenguin]

Remember you will be in a foreign and only-kinda-sorta friendly nation. You are not a diplomat and therefore completely subject to the laws of the country in which you reside. I would concur with the assessments of the poor consequences of trying to circumvent the PRC government. Take it as an opportunity to learn about another culture. There is opportunity there and if there is some way to accomplish/continue in the CP that would be excellent, though unlikely.

Also be nice to your janitors. And if a group of bullies seems to be wanting to beat you up for looking at the local you find attractive you may be surprised who helps you. You may then learn new lessons about respect, yourself and your inner strength. In the end you may well rise above the bullies and be able to face them one at a time and gain their respect...j/k 

Ah, if only. Also, I think you mean the maintenance man. 

[ElectricPenguin]

Any way to avoid going over there? Despite all of their smiles and their buying our debt they're not really an ally of ours.

Unless you're a dependent of a US.gov employee I can't see you having much access online back here into anything CAP, period. Even if you try, you're going to be on the radar of the Chinese .mil and intel networks, which isn't a good place for anyone to be.

You mention Florida Air Academy. How will you be schooled in China? American schools, American educators? I'd be checking on how this would affect your admissions.

Just IMHO, but these are strange times. If I could find a way not to live overseas right now I'd stay at home.

The F.A.A. is a high school, not the AF Academy.  Looks like I will be going to a Chinese school within China.

BillB> Thanks!!! Hopefully I will become an officer by the end of summer...

[ElectricPenguin]

https://www.securitales.com/

^^^ May be risky, but a cadet will do many things to promote... 

[a2capt]

Simply put: Our service works from anywhere.

Until it's blocked.

[ElectricPenguin]

Simply put: Our service works from anywhere.

Until it's blocked.

Yes, well... I'm sure I can get someone here in the US to install some type of remote desktop software to take online test.

http://www.rdmplus.com/

[davidsinn]

Simply put: Our service works from anywhere.

Until it's blocked.

Yes, well... I'm sure I can get someone here in the US to install some type of remote desktop software to take online test.

http://www.rdmplus.com/

You really want to try and circumvent the great firewall of China from inside China? Have you lost your mind? They shoot people for less over there.

[ElectricPenguin]

Simply put: Our service works from anywhere.

Until it's blocked.

Yes, well... I'm sure I can get someone here in the US to install some type of remote desktop software to take online test.

http://www.rdmplus.com/

You really want to try and circumvent the great firewall of China from inside China? Have you lost your mind? They shoot people for less over there.

If I do RDM, then how would they know?

http://greatfirewallofchina.org/index.php?siteurl=www.capnhq.gov    Fail...

http://greatfirewallofchina.org/index.php?siteurl=www.gocivilairpatrol.com

[Spaceman3750]

Simply put: Our service works from anywhere.

Until it's blocked.

Yes, well... I'm sure I can get someone here in the US to install some type of remote desktop software to take online test.

http://www.rdmplus.com/

You really want to try and circumvent the great firewall of China from inside China? Have you lost your mind? They shoot people for less over there.

If I do RDM, then how would they know? Besides, I will be staying at one of the mayors houses. Considered a guest. 

You are not a diplomat, you are a foreign national. Big difference. Are you really that naive that you think that cannot be tracked? I work in educational technology. A single content filter is capable of logging and/or filtering every byte that enters and leaves our network. If a lowly school district can do that with an off-the-shelf product, what do you think the Chinese government is capable of?

[ElectricPenguin]

You are not a diplomat, you are a foreign national. Big difference. Are you really that naive that you think that cannot be tracked? I work in educational technology. A single content filter is capable of logging and/or filtering every byte that enters and leaves our network. If a lowly school district can do that with an off-the-shelf product, what do you think the Chinese government is capable of?
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You don't need to be a horses rear. I was halfway kidding.

[davidsinn]

You are not a diplomat, you are a foreign national. Big difference. Are you really that naive that you think that cannot be tracked? I work in educational technology. A single content filter is capable of logging and/or filtering every byte that enters and leaves our network. If a lowly school district can do that with an off-the-shelf product, what do you think the Chinese government is capable of?

You don't need to be a horses rear. I was halfway kidding.


He wasn't. He was trying to get the point across that you could be shot for doing this. China is not a friendly country. It is a totalitarian communist regime.

[ElectricPenguin]

You are not a diplomat, you are a foreign national. Big difference. Are you really that naive that you think that cannot be tracked? I work in educational technology. A single content filter is capable of logging and/or filtering every byte that enters and leaves our network. If a lowly school district can do that with an off-the-shelf product, what do you think the Chinese government is capable of?

You don't need to be a horses rear. I was halfway kidding.


He wasn't. He was trying to get the point across that you could be shot for doing this. China is not a friendly country. It is a totalitarian communist regime.

I realize that. I will just use snail mail.
https://www.securitales.com/ Doesn't even work there anyways. 

[jks19714]

I have an uneasy feeling that we will be reading about this cadet in the paper (and not in a good way).  And consider the problems which this might cause your parents and the possible impact on their employment.

CAP is not worth the trouble that you could get in.  Have a serious talk with your parents if you insist on this course of action.

[ElectricPenguin]

I have an uneasy feeling that we will be reading about this cadet in the paper (and not in a good way).

CAP is not worth the trouble that you could get in.  Have a serious talk with your parents if you insist on this course of action.

I never said I was going to do any of this. Just speculating. I will talk with the squadron and get the process started.

[ZigZag911]

Perhaps -- depending on how far you will be living from Beijing...you could arrange through National to test with someone working for the Air Attache at the US embassy....paper or cyber, at least it keeps you clear of trying to get around Chinese rules (never a good idea to upset your hosts!).

[Extremepredjudice]

Remote access won't work. All of them use encryption, and encryption is illegal in china.

Circumventing wouldn't work. They'd catch you in a year.

Paper tests, or forget about CAP.

[ElectricPenguin]

Perhaps -- depending on how far you will be living from Beijing...you could arrange through National to test with someone working for the Air Attache at the US embassy....paper or cyber, at least it keeps you clear of trying to get around Chinese rules (never a good idea to upset your hosts!).

Good point! I will see if it can be done.

Extremepredjudice> Ok

[N Harmon]

Are you kidding me? Forget about CAP tests. You have a very unique opportunity to live abroad and immerse yourself in a foreign language and culture. Embrace that. Learn about the customs, the manners. Find what you like and don't like. Write a book about your experience. CAP will be here when you get back.

[MSG Mac]

Now that you've gotten the opinions of everyone, contact National HQ to get your official options.