Write about your color guard expierences or any questions about color guard or regulations
There are no "color guard regs" just the D and C manual and the honor guard manual. SIR!
Why do you guys have the same user ID?
As to the regs, there are rules for NCC - see CAPM 52-4.
While these are rules for competition, your best bet is to review them and do what they say for any parts that touch what you will be doing for issues of standardization and on the off chance you ever do compete, you don't have to relearn everything.
When I was on color guard we had a rules of engagement manual (ROE).
Quote from: notaNCO forever on June 30, 2009, 04:26:19 PM
When I was on color guard we had a rules of engagement manual (ROE).
The ROE manual is now CAPM 52-4.
What is the correct uniform for the Color Guard? I have seen some cadets in class A jackets and others in just the blue Air Force dress uniform less the jacket. Do they wear the white cord? What about a tie?
In regards to competition, see Page 11 of CAPM 52-4.
For raising or posting colors at local activities, its whatever the local commander and/or weather dictates.
Quote from: Airrace on June 30, 2009, 09:13:21 PMWhat is the correct uniform for the Color Guard?
Whatever the project officer says it is. It can vary from event to event.
QuoteI have seen some cadets in class A jackets and others in just the blue Air Force dress uniform less the jacket.
There's no such CAP uniform as Class A. That is an ancient, long outmoded term.
QuoteDo they wear the white cord?
Usually.
QuoteWhat about a tie?
Depends on the uniform, and the event.
Quote from: SarDragon on June 30, 2009, 09:32:08 PM
QuoteDo they wear the white cord?
Usually.
White cords are only supposed to be worn by NCC teams, not your friendly neighborhood unit flag posters.
Quote from: CAPM 39-1
...The wing/region commander has authority to approve the following items for wear within his wing: (a) Shoulder cords. Not more than one shoulder cord will be worn at one time, and it will be worn on the left shoulder (see Figure 5-2. Color to be determined by the wing commander, EXCEPT all primary members of Cadet Advisory Councils will wear gold at the National level, blue at region level and red at wing level. (See CAPR 52-16, CAP Cadet Program Management.) National Cadet Competition teams will wear white shoulder cords...
Quote from: Eclipse on June 30, 2009, 09:47:14 PM
Quote from: SarDragon on June 30, 2009, 09:32:08 PM
QuoteDo they wear the white cord?
Usually.
White cords are only supposed to be worn by NCC teams, not your friendly neighborhood unit flag posters.
Is there anything that says it can't be worn by a local Color Guard? I know FLWG has a different cord that unit CGs are supposed to wear, but that's a wing policy...
FWIW, my interpretation would be that a Wing CC has the authority to approve wear of any cord color except the below, since they are already designated in 39-1.
White - NCC Teams
Silver - Honor Guard
Green - Group CAC
Red - Wing CAC
Gold - NCAC
Other than that I'd think they can authorize anything they want for wear within the respective state.
IMHO, since the white cord is reserved for an NCC team, if the group of cadets aren't on a coherent competition team, they should not wear a white cord.
i thought the white cord was for any CG? at least thats what the uniform man. says... :-\
Your local color guard team can be considered an NCC team. They are the local entry.
that works.
Actually it doesn't. If your team won Wing comp. it does, but the question has always come up since 39-1 and 52-16 don't define what a NCC team is. Most Wing appear to allow the white cord to the winners of the Wing Comp as a minimum.
Quote from: BTCS1* on June 30, 2009, 09:57:26 PM
i thought the white cord was for any CG? at least thats what the uniform man. says...
What the uniform manual
says is quoted (in bold) above - RIF.
Quote from: lordmonar on June 30, 2009, 09:59:40 PM
Your local color guard team can be considered an NCC team. They are the local entry.
If they are competing and training as a team, yes. My wing doesn't currently have any NCC plans or involvement, so no one in my units is supposed to be wearing a white cord.
Quote from: BillB on June 30, 2009, 10:06:14 PM
Actually it doesn't. If your team won Wing comp. it does, but the question has always come up since 39-1 and 52-16 don't define what a NCC team is. Most Wing appear to allow the white cord to the winners of the Wing Comp as a minimum.
Not true, considering that the cord is part of the NCC uniform requirements. Any team showing up for inspection is supposed to have the cords on.
and 39-1 says that CG members can wear the cord. it doesn't state NCC teams.
Quote from: BTCS1* on June 30, 2009, 10:47:28 PM
and 39-1 says that CG members can wear the cord. it doesn't state NCC teams.
Cite, please. The relevant text is above.
This is one of those items that can be read/interpreted more than one way.
As I read this quote,
Color to be determined by the wing commander, EXCEPT all primary members of Cadet Advisory Councils will wear gold at the National level, blue at region level and red at wing level. (See CAPR 52-16, CAP Cadet Program Management.) National Cadet Competition teams will wear white shoulder cords.
the bold text imposes a limitation on the wear of gold, blue, and red cords. The underlined text imposes a requirement for wear of the white cord by NCC teams. Therefore, the Wing CC may prescribe the white cord for color guards.
YMMV.
So, if my unit's Color Guard has aspirations of competing at Wing, Region, and National, they may wear the cords.
If they are "your friendly neighborhood unit flag posters" not interested in competing, they may not?
Weird...
Check out the latest CAPR 52-16 (http://members.gocivilairpatrol.com/media/cms/R052_016_9D037830938CC.pdf). There's a change 1 as of 1 July 09.
Specifically:
Quote4-5. National Cadet Competition. The National Cadet Competition (NCC) enables cadets to model traits of the highest standards of leadership and personal responsibility.
a. Competition Programs. The NCC includes the National Drill Team Competition and the National Color Guard Competition, which are usually held during the summer. For more information, visit the NCC page at www.cap.gov/ncc (http://www.cap.gov/ncc).
b. Awards. Cadet members of drill teams and color guards are authorized to wear a white shoulder cord. The cord must be of the same style and shade as the white cord stocked for CAP by Vanguard Industries (civilairpatrolstore.com). Senior members will not wear NCC shoulder cords.
4-6. Honor Guards. Unit honor guard programs are opportunities for cadets to serve their communities and promote a drug-free ethic through excellence in drill and ceremonies.
a. Program Leadership. Commanders may assign the cadet leadership officer the responsibility of selecting and training the guard. Squadrons may train in one or more elements of an honor guard. For guidance, see CAPP 52-8, Unit Honor Guard Program.
b. Awards. Cadet members of honor guards are authorized to wear a silver shoulder cord. The cord must be of the same style and shade as the silver cord stocked for CAP by Vanguard Industries (civilairpatrolstore.com). Senior members will not wear honor guard shoulder cords.
Changes shown in italics.
YMMV.
While on the topic of shoulder cords... Are they supposed to be worn hooked on the epaulet button or left to fall to the shoulder seam?
They are pinned from underneath at the shoulder seam.
Quote from: DBlair on July 09, 2009, 07:07:43 AM
While on the topic of shoulder cords... Are they supposed to be worn hooked on the epaulet button or left to fall to the shoulder seam?
It used to be that way then they changed. They were supposed to redesign the shoulder cords for easier wear not buttoned, at least that's what I was told, but that never happened.
Quote from: notaNCO forever on July 09, 2009, 12:20:33 PM
Quote from: DBlair on July 09, 2009, 07:07:43 AM
While on the topic of shoulder cords... Are they supposed to be worn hooked on the epaulet button or left to fall to the shoulder seam?
It used to be that way then they changed. They were supposed to redesign the shoulder cords for easier wear not buttoned, at least that's what I was told, but that never happened.
Almost all of the cords I have seen in the last few years are fully braided across the top and feature a safety pin on the bottom to make wearing them at the shoulder seam easier.
DBlair: That's one of the few things 39-1 is still current on, Page 90, Figure 5-2.
I recently was in the BWI Airport and came across a group of adults and cadets on their way to the CAP National Honor Guard Academy. They were a sharp bunch (the youth were in uniform) and reflect well on the CAP. My congratulations to all associated with the program.
Quote from: BTCS1* on June 30, 2009, 04:07:59 PM
There are no "color guard regs" just the D and C manual and the honor guard manual. SIR!
CADET FYI reg=rules i dont care where they are written
Quote from: BTCS1 C/CC on September 08, 2009, 02:29:52 AM
Quote from: BTCS1* on June 30, 2009, 04:07:59 PM
There are no "color guard regs" just the D and C manual and the honor guard manual. SIR!
CADET FYI reg=rules i dont care where they are written
Umm, wow.
as far as i know white cord is for local too
Quote from: notaNCO forever on July 09, 2009, 12:20:33 PM
Quote from: DBlair on July 09, 2009, 07:07:43 AM
While on the topic of shoulder cords... Are they supposed to be worn hooked on the epaulet button or left to fall to the shoulder seam?
It used to be that way then they changed. They were supposed to redesign the shoulder cords for easier wear not buttoned, at least that's what I was told, but that never happened.
Yeah its changed for some reason and now u just let it hand off to the left side of epualette
Quote from: Bluelakes 13 on July 01, 2009, 09:04:48 PM
So, if my unit's Color Guard has aspirations of competing at Wing, Region, and National, they may wear the cords.
If they are "your friendly neighborhood unit flag posters" not interested in competing, they may not?
Weird...
i think u still can as long as ur color guard. But check regs too
Quote from: BTCS1 C/CC on September 08, 2009, 04:39:34 AM
Quote from: Bluelakes 13 on July 01, 2009, 09:04:48 PM
So, if my unit's Color Guard has aspirations of competing at Wing, Region, and National, they may wear the cords.
If they are "your friendly neighborhood unit flag posters" not interested in competing, they may not?
Weird...
i think u still can as long as ur color guard. But check regs too
You can make multiple quotes within one post, there is no need to make three consecutive posts to respond to different people.
Also, you do realize that this thread has been effectively dead for over a month, right?
Quote from: BTCS1 C/CC on September 08, 2009, 04:37:40 AM
as far as i know white cord is for local too
You are incorrect, read the quote above, which is part of a reference to competition teams.
There seems to be a rash of ressurection today, and for little reason other than a lot of "me too's"...
could someone please link the rules of engagement (ROE) thank you.
Quote from: coolkites on September 10, 2009, 11:53:44 PM
could someone please link the rules of engagement (ROE) thank you.
You might try looking here (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=CAPM+52-4+National+Cadet+Competition)...
I just started in Colour Guard and it went well for my first meeting. Now that we are starting a Drill team, it should be pretty interesting... ;)