After 18 months in the program I think I will scream if I hear the term Battle Buddy one more time. I have been in the AF and ANG for the past 26 years and have heard the term Wingman used when referring to looking out for your fellow airman. It is used in all of the suicide prevention and sexual assault prevention training material. I have heard the term Battle Buddy used by my joint friends in the Army for similar purposes.
I am not sure how the term Battle Buddy took hold so pervasively in my squadron and wing, but I feel the term Wingman is more correct for an organization that is the Auxiliary of the Air Force.
Is anybody out there using the "Wingman" term anywhere?
I think it is becoming pervasive because of the high number of cadets in the Army Guard and Reserves who stay active in the program.
We used BB at Spring Encampment last year - didn't really give it a second thought, though wingman is probably more appropriate for CAP.
Quote from: Eclipse on August 23, 2011, 01:42:37 AM
I think it is becoming pervasive because of the high number of cadets in the Army Guard and Reserves who stay active in the program.
I don't think there are that many. I've run across a total of...three? in 5 years of active participation.
If anything it's because we get more Army SMs than Air Force.
Neither is strictly speaking appropriate to CAP. 8)
[Snarky]
Consider, we do not routinely fly in formation nor fight in battle.
Therefore I propose:
"Copilot"
(Besides we're the CIVIL Air Patrol both of these terms are too MILITARY for use by us CIVILIANS)
[/snarky]
In all honesty it doesn't matter much, but if you are going for service representation then yes, Wingman would make more sense. I'm not a huge fan of the overuse of the term in the USAF.
Quote from: NewDCC on August 23, 2011, 01:31:38 AM
I am not sure how the term Battle Buddy took hold so pervasively in my squadron and wing, but I feel the term Wingman is more correct for an organization that is the Auxiliary of the Air Force.
Don't discount the sweet sonic seductiveness that allows Airmen to admire alliteration... Army folks in CAP aside, Battle Buddy is probably just more fun to say.
Quote from: NewDCC on August 23, 2011, 01:31:38 AM
I have been in the AF and ANG for the past 26 years and have heard the term Wingman used when referring to looking out for your fellow airman.
FWIW, When I went through AF BMT the term Battle Buddy was thrown around quite a bit during Warrior Week. I think, despite the attractiveness of a term that's got sequential starting consonants, Wingman would be preferable in CAP simply because we're the
non-combat auxiliary of the AF.
Eh, we use both at FLWG encampments.
How about shipmate? There are as many Navy Vets as Army or AF Vets in my wing.
Plus the term "wingman" has some social connotations that might not be appropriate for our cadets. >:D
Quote from: capme on August 23, 2011, 02:20:11 AM
How about shipmate? There are as many Navy Vets as Army or AF Vets in my wing.
Shipmate has had an unpleasant connotation over the years, and many Sailors are reluctant to use it, for that reason. I think its use in CAP would be inappropriate.
We use wingman in our entire wing. As the CoC of the last encampment, "Wingman" was the term of the day. "Cadet, where is your Wingman!" It was written into their knowledge books, and used by the staff. Wingman is what it is - no battle buddies.
How is this any different from the pervasiveness of terms like "cover" and "Class A's"?
I got it. Encourage USAF-style terminology where you have the influence. But is it really worth expending emotional energy in situations where you don't?
At my basic encampment, the staff would always say BB, but if we said BB, we'd get yelled at. Therefore I now only say wing man.
Seems like wingman would be more appropriate for CAP and I don't think it would be all that hard to change the culture. Keep in mind that cadets aren't around for a while and if a senior keeps using wingman it won't take but a few years for battle buddy to become uncommon as the cadets that used it move on.
That being said, I probably wouldn't make a big stink about it to the cadets, just start using it yourself and lead by example and eventually it will work out.
FWIW, we used "Battle Buddy"'at my BE this year. I don't know why we did, and I don't have a huge problem with it. I guess "Wingman" would be more appropriate. IMO it sounds less childish than "Battle Buddy" (please don't eat me alive about that one, Army people)
"And that's all I'm gonna say about that." -Forrest Gump
Quote from: NewDCC on August 23, 2011, 01:31:38 AM
After 18 months in the program I think I will scream if I hear the term Battle Buddy one more time. I have been in the AF and ANG for the past 26 years and have heard the term Wingman used when referring to looking out for your fellow airman. It is used in all of the suicide prevention and sexual assault prevention training material. I have heard the term Battle Buddy used by my joint friends in the Army for similar purposes.
I am not sure how the term Battle Buddy took hold so pervasively in my squadron and wing, but I feel the term Wingman is more correct for an organization that is the Auxiliary of the Air Force.
Is anybody out there using the "Wingman" term anywhere?
I don't use either.
The new leadership books explain the wingman concept on page 45 of Volume 1.
"I look after my wingman, he looks after me. We work together. We fight together." - Gabby Gabreski
Quote from: SarDragon on August 23, 2011, 02:29:25 AM
Quote from: capme on August 23, 2011, 02:20:11 AM
How about shipmate? There are as many Navy Vets as Army or AF Vets in my wing.
Shipmate has had an unpleasant connotation over the years, and many Sailors are reluctant to use it, for that reason. I think its use in CAP would be inappropriate.
That was a tongue in cheek suggestion. As a retired MAC I would oppose such terminology of course.
Quote from: usafaux2004 on August 23, 2011, 01:59:38 AM
Quote from: Eclipse on August 23, 2011, 01:42:37 AM
I think it is becoming pervasive because of the high number of cadets in the Army Guard and Reserves who stay active in the program.
I don't think there are that many. I've run across a total of...three? in 5 years of active participation.
If anything it's because we get more Army SMs than Air Force.
I've known a lot more than 3. Several were cadets with me, but I've known several more recent as well.
Quote from: Briski on August 23, 2011, 02:36:46 AM
How is this any different from the pervasiveness of terms like "cover" and "Class A's"?
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Class A is now CAP-appropriate since it is now Air Force terminology.
Who cares! OMG lets get it regulated!!!!!!!. I just say BFF ;D in my group
Quote from: JerseyCadet on August 23, 2011, 02:47:08 AM
At my basic encampment, the staff would always say BB, but if we said BB, we'd get yelled at. Therefore I now only say wing man.
They really yelled at you for that? If they did they were wasting their energy. ::)
At CG boot camp "Shipmate" was overused. It is almost never used out in the fleet. I've always thought it was funny calling people "Shipmate" because I have never been on a vessel over 47 feet.
There are not too many reservist/ NG who are still cadets. I'd say my wing had 4, my brother and I making up two of them, although I participated in very few meetings as a reservist cadet. Two were CG, the other two were Army NG and one fo them was a very active phase 4 in the wing.
Battle buddy is not the most appropriate for CAP, because it's not battle oriented. But then again. most of the military is not directly battle oriented. I don't think it is something that needs to be spelled out in the regs. The command should make the decision and keep it consistent.
"Ranger Buddy" was the term that was in common usage when I went thru BCT.
As in "Where the @#$% is your @#$% Ranger Buddy, Private @#$%? You not supposed to go @#$$% any-@#$&-where without your @#$% Ranger Buddy, Private @#$%@&!!! Go get your @#$% Ranger @#$% Buddy RIGHT @##$% NOW!" (and the whole time I'm hearing this, I'm laughing on the inside about the guy on the first day of BCT who very confidently said "Yeah, they can't swear at you, you know!" Something like 9 minutes later, we knew that to be a lie..)
At some point in the late 1980s, early 1990s, the term "Battle Buddy" came into the lexicon, and as they say, it all went downhill from there.
"......Sgt Cotez, no matter how short your stay with this command may be, there are two words you WILL learn to put together....TEAM, MATE!......, carry on."
mk
Quote from: NIN on August 24, 2011, 12:07:57 AM
"Ranger Buddy" was the term that was in common usage when I went thru BCT.
As in "Where the @#$% is your @#$% Ranger Buddy, Private @#$%? You not supposed to go @#$$% any-@#$&-where without your @#$% Ranger Buddy, Private @#$%@&!!! Go get your @#$% Ranger @#$% Buddy RIGHT @##$% NOW!" (and the whole time I'm hearing this, I'm laughing on the inside about the guy on the first day of BCT who very confidently said "Yeah, they can't swear at you, you know!" Something like 9 minutes later, we knew that to be a lie..)
At some point in the late 1980s, early 1990s, the term "Battle Buddy" came into the lexicon, and as they say, it all went downhill from there.
I just had a Ft. Benning flashback. It was deja vu all over again. :o
I use the term Battle Buddy because it was drilled into me while in the Army, granted it fit being Infantry. I have never grown out of it simply because I heard it used across the military. Same with Class A.
Wing Woman?
It would be weird for me to say Wingman, as I watch 'How I Met Your Mother'. >:D
But my squadron uses Battle Buddy only; I've never heard someone say Wingman, but personally I like it better.
Quote from: Pomegranate on January 08, 2012, 09:42:13 PM
It would be weird for me to say Wingman, as I watch 'How I Met Your Mother'. >:D
But my squadron uses Battle Buddy only; I've never heard someone say Wingman, but personally I like it better.
Our encampment training guides said wingman...
Quote from: Pomegranate on January 08, 2012, 09:42:13 PM
It would be weird for me to say Wingman, as I watch 'How I Met Your Mother'. >:D
;D Agreed.
Quote from: Extremepredjudice on January 08, 2012, 11:36:05 PM
Quote from: Pomegranate on January 08, 2012, 09:42:13 PM
It would be weird for me to say Wingman, as I watch 'How I Met Your Mother'. >:D
But my squadron uses Battle Buddy only; I've never heard someone say Wingman, but personally I like it better.
Our encampment training guides said wingman...
I apologize I guess I worded my post weird. I actually do like Wingman better then Battle Buddy. I think Wingman is more appropriate for the Air Force Auxiliary than Battle Buddy, which I believe is an Army term.
I was just stating what my experience was. ETGs are different per wing, per encampment.
Personally I don't care.
In this day and age of policical correctness......
"signifigant other" >:D
but sarcasm aside- Battle Buddy is the term from WIWAC and what I learned in the
Army, so I still use that ( I am not too PC)
Whatever happened to sis or bro? If I were to ever trust you in the field or trust you on my wing than you better be able to be like family to me.
I always prefer saying "Dude" or "Man" myself.
Keeps it friendly. >:D
Quote from: Littleguy on January 10, 2012, 09:08:47 PM
Whatever happened to sis or bro? If I were to ever trust you in the field or trust you on my wing than you better be able to be like family to me.
you got it....
if ever we are teamed up you will be addressed as "Sis" by me! And it wont be considered hazing because I am printing a copy of your written request to keep on file >:D :clap: >:D
Quote from: rustyjeeper on January 17, 2012, 03:34:54 AM
Quote from: Littleguy on January 10, 2012, 09:08:47 PM
Whatever happened to sis or bro? If I were to ever trust you in the field or trust you on my wing than you better be able to be like family to me.
you got it....
if ever we are teamed up you will be addressed as "Sis" by me! And it wont be considered hazing because I am printing a copy of your written request to keep on file >:D :clap: >:D
Alright, ma'am ;)
Quote from: Littleguy on January 17, 2012, 09:42:58 PM
Quote from: rustyjeeper on January 17, 2012, 03:34:54 AM
Quote from: Littleguy on January 10, 2012, 09:08:47 PM
Whatever happened to sis or bro? If I were to ever trust you in the field or trust you on my wing than you better be able to be like family to me.
you got it....
if ever we are teamed up you will be addressed as "Sis" by me! And it wont be considered hazing because I am printing a copy of your written request to keep on file >:D :clap: >:D
Alright, ma'am ;)
We won't ask but we might tell. ::)