Quote from: baronet68 on March 04, 2008, 04:14:47 AM

Quote from: Pylon on March 03, 2008, 03:46:46 PM

This is why I haven't worn my flight suit since 2003.   

And now you why I have my flight suit patches attached with velcro!

Quote from: PHall on March 04, 2008, 05:11:30 AM
And now you why I have my flight suit patches attached with velcro!

Mine are engineered with a Javascript powered rotator that gets its data from a gigantic constellation of satellites ringing the planet in low earth orbit.  NB or NEC makes a change, *poof* my Command Patch changes.   Its a little cumbersome, but in the end it requires zero intervention on my part.

Quote from: NIN on March 04, 2008, 12:07:48 PM

Quote from: PHall on March 04, 2008, 05:11:30 AM
And now you why I have my flight suit patches attached with velcro!

Mine are engineered with a Javascript powered rotator that gets its data from a gigantic constellation of satellites ringing the planet in low earth orbit.  NB or NEC makes a change, *poof* my Command Patch changes.   Its a little cumbersome, but in the end it requires zero intervention on my part.

I like the zero intervention part.  That why I gave up buying new ones and changing patches.  If the PAO in Nevada can mark time on flight suit patches, so can I!

Quote from: NIN on March 04, 2008, 12:07:48 PM

Quote from: PHall on March 04, 2008, 05:11:30 AM
And now you why I have my flight suit patches attached with velcro!

Mine are engineered with a Javascript powered rotator that gets its data from a gigantic constellation of satellites ringing the planet in low earth orbit.  NB or NEC makes a change, *poof* my Command Patch changes.   Its a little cumbersome, but in the end it requires zero intervention on my part.

Now avail for 39.95 from Vanguard. For an extra 149.95, it also includes a PLB. 

And for these reasons, I wear the golf shirt/gray slacks combo for flying.  NB hasn't touched this uniform for years and, I hope, never does.

Not to drag off on another discussion, but I wouldn't count on being able to wear that forever. FEMA is demanding nomex in the current standards, but they aren't mandatory for a while yet. Debatable how long or if it's subject to change at all, but I'm guessing 18-24mos, maybe a little more.

Quote from: BigMojo on March 03, 2008, 05:32:10 PM
He does not, but it is not required any longer. He has everything completed (GTM3,2,1 and GTL) in terms of SQTR tasks...he just doesn't have the age met. While some cadets lack the maturity to handle the position, I think the CC or ES officer should be able to decide if a cadet is ready to take the responsibility of leading a team.

Maybe there's some legal issue at play?

There is the legal issue, also there is the slippery sloap issue.  I'm sure THIS cadet is ready.....but what about the next one?  I went to NESA with a couple of cadets whe were over 18 and NOT ready to take on the job of GTL.

I understand where you are comming from, but I it makes me uncomfortable thinking about under 18 GTL's running around with a bunch of cadet GTM's....(and don't pretend that won't happen!  )

Quote from: DNall on March 04, 2008, 07:19:50 PM

Quote from: NIN on March 04, 2008, 12:07:48 PM

Quote from: PHall on March 04, 2008, 05:11:30 AM
And now you why I have my flight suit patches attached with velcro!

Mine are engineered with a Javascript powered rotator that gets its data from a gigantic constellation of satellites ringing the planet in low earth orbit.  NB or NEC makes a change, *poof* my Command Patch changes.   Its a little cumbersome, but in the end it requires zero intervention on my part.

Now avail for 39.95 from Vanguard. For an extra 149.95, it also includes a PLB. 

Plus shipping... 

Quote from: NEBoom on March 04, 2008, 09:20:26 PM

Quote from: DNall on March 04, 2008, 07:19:50 PM

Quote from: NIN on March 04, 2008, 12:07:48 PM

Quote from: PHall on March 04, 2008, 05:11:30 AM
And now you why I have my flight suit patches attached with velcro!

Mine are engineered with a Javascript powered rotator that gets its data from a gigantic constellation of satellites ringing the planet in low earth orbit.  NB or NEC makes a change, *poof* my Command Patch changes.   Its a little cumbersome, but in the end it requires zero intervention on my part.

Now avail for 39.95 from Vanguard. For an extra 149.95, it also includes a PLB. 

Plus shipping... 

Yeah, but will they throw in a challenge coin?   

Jack

Quote from: jeders on March 04, 2008, 04:01:36 AM

Quote from: NJMEDIC on March 04, 2008, 03:38:33 AM
A new alternate field uniform, not sure on the details.  Passed.


Any Details on the uniform?

Not an actual national uniform. Just allows wing commanders to create alternate field uniforms if the state requires certain things or allow certain environmental type uniform items such as snow suits for those far to the north.

Seems to me that the reg will eventually read  ... "If you have a real operational need for them, then you may allow alternate Field Uniform items in order to meet a specific local need(s) and requirement(s) ...but only if you need to and then, you may only allow those items that are truly needed.  i.e. if you allow it, you must justify it. 

Breast Shield Patches
(or formerly Command Patch when we were still the USAF Aux) -

Apparently Vanguard had already made up a small batch of non-US patches to have at the Winter Boards in anticipation of the vote! So, I can't get something authorized like the ARCHER patch w/o an 8-month backorder... but Vanguard will make up something that can't even be worn yet?!

Anyway, one of the early versions is on it's way to me as we speak and I will try to remember to post a scan of it here after it arrives. Unknown if it will be identical to the posted 'Shopped version or the one that will someday be available to the general membership.

Also, it is being looked into (by Natl HO staff) whether any pre-TP items are being affected, such as the Overseas Cadet Squadron patch (formerly National Shoulder patch) which also has "US" on it.


-Ace

Quote from: alamrcn on March 05, 2008, 04:03:35 PM
Anyway, one of the early versions is on it's way to me as we speak and I will try to remember to post a scan of it here after it arrives. Unknown if it will be identical to the posted 'Shopped version or the one that will someday be available to the general membership.

Like this?


http://www.vanguardmil.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=13551

Quote from: alamrcn on March 05, 2008, 04:03:35 PM
Also, it is being looked into (by Natl HO staff) whether any pre-TP items are being affected, such as the Overseas Cadet Squadron patch (formerly National Shoulder patch) which also has "US" on it.

That should not change.  I think I read somewhere that they legally have to wear those as CAP members overseas.  However, I would not out it past the geniuses at NHQ to change something that does not need to be changed!

Quote from: Lancer on March 05, 2008, 04:36:30 PM

Quote from: alamrcn on March 05, 2008, 04:03:35 PM
Anyway, one of the early versions is on it's way to me as we speak and I will try to remember to post a scan of it here after it arrives. Unknown if it will be identical to the posted 'Shopped version or the one that will someday be available to the general membership.

Like this?


http://www.vanguardmil.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=13551

That still looks like a shop-job.

You can still see the artifacts where they sampled the field and then pasted over the "US".

Has anyone actually held one in their hand?

Also, IMHO, there is no reason to skew the "R" in air, based on the size it would have fit fine.  If they really wanted to get fancy the should have shaped the "R" on one side and the "p" on the other. 

I saw a couple of samples at the board meeting.  The CS was showing them around to members.

Quote from: Eclipse
That still looks like a shop-job.

Are you seriously suggesting that Vanguard is capable of that effort? 

Remember, these are the folks that could easily take photos of any number of items quickly accessable to them, but instead sat on "Image not Available" place-holders for over a year on their NEW website. They probably shipped the original image over to China and had a 3rd party do it.

I am paying $4.75 for mine... and the website says $2.85!  Crap. Well, that is assuming that Vanguard actually HAS them, because they've tried selling me photos of the insignia on their website before!

-Ace

A little anti-climatic now, but here it is...



This was one of a few samples that were brought by Vanguard to the Winter Boards last week - prior to authorization by National HQ. It just arrived in my mailbox yesterday.

If someone DOES do the blue Sharpie thing, post a scan so we can see how it turns out! If it becomes a common practice among members, it will become historically notable in the lineage of things.... and it wouldn't be the first wearer insignia-modification in CAP's uniform history, and much for the same frustrated and monetary purposes!

-Ace

I tried the Sharpie trick with one of mine, and it didn't really come out too bad-from a distance.  Up close, you can tell that something doesn't look quite right.

I'll try and snap a couple of pics in the next few days.

Also, it is being looked into (by Natl HO staff) whether any pre-TP items are being affected, such as the Overseas Cadet Squadron patch (formerly National Shoulder patch) which also has "US" on it.

We do have US on our shoulder patch. And that's good like that. Because a lot of people over here don't know what Civil Air Patrol is, so when they see the patch and also the US they know at least from which country it is and also that is something official.

Having the US flag patch on the left shoulder is not always enough to let people know that we are an official organization.

Same thing for the left  pocket patch on BDU's. Over here when is says CIVIL AIR PATROL a lot of people ask where we are from.........when we had, still have, the U.S. CIVIL AIR PATROL patch we got better reactions from overseas people because they saw who we belong to......

I just don't understand why they don't want the U.S on the new patches anymore .......  US Air Force,
US Army, why not US Civil Air Patrol 

Spacing - MIKE

It's nice when your "Wing Commander" is also the National Commander.  Maybe you could ask your squadron commander to petition the National commander to publish an overseas squadron uniform supplement allowing the use of the  overseas squadron patch for the breast pocket of the flight suit/BDU instead of the command patch.  You probably already have permission to use that decal for vehicles/aircraft.