Encampment Equivalent

[Eclipse]

It's one thing if the encampment chooses to provide the "badges of office", but quite another when that "badge" incurs a financial burden
upon a member, especially a cadet.  In fact >that's< against regulations, too, since we can't compel a cadet to wear anything other then the MBU
unless it is provided to them.

So an Encampment can't require the cadets to buy 8 brown t-shirts, but can they add an extra $50 (or however much to pay for 8 brown t-shirts) to the activity fee and then give the cadets the shirts?
(That was an honest question, not rhetorical)

Sadly, yes, though that misses the point, and should be something considered by the Wing CC, DCP, and others involved when the finances are approved.

The spirit of the reg is to not incur additional costs to the cadets, period, by mandating specific uniforms.  However as we all know the BDU
is essentially required for just about everything, despite the fact that they are not provided by the program.

So it's bad enough that we are already mandating a uniform outside the regs, but the activity should not be making it worse by forcing other
items a cadet might not have.

In this case the t-shirts.  If, for some bizarre reason, the wing decided to mandate that all cadets wear brown in stead of black, well then they'd already have them, but the vast majority of cadets (and seniors) these days wear black t-shirts under uniforms, so mandating brown is almost
assured to incur costs.

[AngelWings]

The biggest problem I have with brown is that it is not very easy to find and not easy to keep uniformed with other cadets whereas black is black.

Its not just the brown tshirts though, it is the cost of some of the needed gear. I simply don't have some of the items on the lists and they are not all that cheap.

[Private Investigator]

My family is tight on money,

My youngest daughter has a choice; Encampment, Soccer Camp, Softball Camp or Surf Camp. She can not do all. Next year, well that is a maybe ...

[PHall]

Not to hijack this thread, but, which two regs were violated Eclipse?

[Eclipse]

Not to hijack this thread, but, which two regs were violated Eclipse?

52-16 - 5-2. Cadet Promotions.
g. Temporary & Discretionary Grades. There are no temporary promotions or demotions, including temporary or "field" promotions or demotions at encampments and other activities. There are no discretionary grades. Cadets will wear their earned grade on their uniform at every CAP activity. The only grades authorized are those shown in CAPVA 52-100

39-1 in regards to proper wear of the CAP uniform, which includes grade.  Not wearing your grade would be an improper configuration, especially for a cadet.

[Ned]

Not to hijack this thread, but, which two regs were violated Eclipse?

52-16 - 5-2. Cadet Promotions.
g. Temporary & Discretionary Grades. There are no temporary promotions or demotions, including temporary or "field" promotions or demotions at encampments and other activities. There are no discretionary grades. Cadets will wear their earned grade on their uniform at every CAP activity. The only grades authorized are those shown in CAPVA 52-100

39-1 in regards to proper wear of the CAP uniform, which includes grade.  Not wearing your grade would be an improper configuration, especially for a cadet.

Seriously, what regulations get violated when we tell cadets to wear a color of t-shirt authorized by the 39-1?

[Eclipse]

Seriously, what regulations get violated when we tell cadets to wear a color of t-shirt authorized by the 39-1?

I never said the t-shirts violated anything but common sense, though unless they are issued, requiring them of cadets violates 39-1.

The two specific violations I mentioned were in regards to prohibiting basics from wearing their grade.

[PHall]

Seriously, what regulations get violated when we tell cadets to wear a color of t-shirt authorized by the 39-1?

I never said the t-shirts violated anything but common sense, though unless they are issued, requiring them of cadets violates 39-1.
The two specific violations I mentioned were in regards to prohibiting basics from wearing their grade.

I refer you to CAPM 39-1, 23 MARCH 2005, Table 1-1, Note 1. It's authorized.

[Eclipse]

Seriously, what regulations get violated when we tell cadets to wear a color of t-shirt authorized by the 39-1?

I never said the t-shirts violated anything but common sense, though unless they are issued, requiring them of cadets violates 39-1.
The two specific violations I mentioned were in regards to prohibiting basics from wearing their grade.

I refer you to CAPM 39-1, 23 MARCH 2005, Table 1-1, Note 1. It's authorized.

Nope.  That note only applies to seniors, as they do not have the below waiver of requirement.

1-5. Uniform Combinations.  Various combinations of CAP uniforms are authorized in order to allow
for various climatic conditions, availability of uniforms, etc., but no member is obligated to equip
himself/herself with all or even a major part of the combinations described in this publication.  Members
will equip themselves with the basic uniform. The minimum basic uniforms for male and female cadets
and senior members, which will satisfy most occasions, are listed below.  Members may obtain and wear
the additional uniform items authorized in this publication on an optional basis.  Uniform clothing may
be altered to improve fit.  However, alterations must not change the intended appearance of garment as
designed.  It is the member's personal responsibility to equip himself/herself with a proper uniform. 
Commanders may assist if they have the capability, through use of unit funds and/or donations or by
acquiring surplus uniforms.  Cadets are required to have the minimum basic uniform. A commander
may require cadets to wear other  optional uniform items only if the  purchase is voluntary or if the
uniform is supplied without expense to the cadet. The omission of a specific item or appearance standard
does not automatically permit its wear.

I'll grant you that the actual practice is in direct conflict with this, from BDU's through t-shirts and hats, but
that doesn't change what is actually written.

Every year someone asks "What if cadet so-and-so can't afford BDU's?", and the answer is that we could not
bar his participation as long as he wore his blues to everything.