My favorite iteration of the undefined CAP baseball cap I've seen: Navy blue tactical cap, 2x2 velcro rank on the front, nametape on the rear. Looks sharp and professional. The sea lawyer in me approves.

Quote from: Shuman 14 on Today at 08:27:48 PMCan you wear the Blue BDU Field Cap with the blue Corporate Flightsuit?

Or, is the undefined "CAP Baseball Cap" the only option?

The other option is no headgear. Headgear is not required with this uniform.

Per CAPR 39-1, 3 March 2020, Paragraph 8.3.8.

Can you wear the Blue BDU Field Cap with the blue Corporate Flightsuit?

Or, is the undefined "CAP Baseball Cap" the only option?

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Quote from: Shuman 14 on Today at 05:07:40 PMFull color on OCP patch or Blue patch, either will look fine and in pairs, one for the OCP top and one an outer coat.

And the fleece (IIRC, its a slide, not a velcro tab, on outerwear like a goretex..)

The coyote fleeces have a velcro patch, the light and mid weight OCP coats have velcro patches only the extreme cold/wet gortex top, which the fleece goes under, has a tab anymore and it no longer has an arm pocket for the mini nametape.

Quote from: Shuman 14 on Today at 05:07:40 PMFull color on OCP patch or Blue patch, either will look fine and in pairs, one for the OCP top and one an outer coat.

And the fleece (IIRC, its a slide, not a velcro tab, on outerwear like a goretex..)

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Quote from: Shuman 14 on March 22, 2024, 07:40:47 PM

Quoteembroidered cadet enlisted insignia

They might be cheaper in the long run and less likely to get damaged on a field uniform.

Possibly cheaper, but a WHOLE lot less convenient. We had sew-on rank WIWAC, and it was a real pain, even considering the less frequent promotion intervals. The sewing jobs were inconsistent, and positioning was hit and miss.

On top of that, the sew-on stripes weren't as reusable as the pin-on rank. Once sewn on, washed a few times, and given an ironed-in crease, they weren't easily removed and reused on another cadet's uniform.

I think you're think of something different. I believe the discussion of embroidered cadet stripes is they are embroidered on a fabric square with a velcro backing to put on the OCP tab for grade insignia, like the military does, not sew-on the sleeves.

Belated follow up but I just found these, USAF JROTC Rank on OCP.

Not the same as CAP Cadet Rank, but showing it can be easily done, once we move OCPs.

Full color on OCP patch or Blue patch, either will look fine and in pairs, one for the OCP top and one an outer coat.

Quote from: Fubar on May 19, 2024, 11:00:15 AM

Quote from: Shuman 14 on May 18, 2024, 07:32:29 PMAgain, this is why we need to put a clause in CAPR 39-1 that within 5-years of any uniform change by the USAF, it will be adopted, with appropriate CAP modification, by CAP.

Of course the issue would be getting the USAF to sign off one giving up their bureaucracy and pre-approving CAP to get uniforms. That doesn't seem like something a bureaucracy would do.

Well, if we don't try, we'll never know, the worst they can do/say is "no".

How many times did we have to ask about military awards on corporate uniforms and now they finally said yes.

I say push it forward and see what happen. A five-year wear-out date is more than reasonable.

Quote from: SarDragon on Today at 11:47:55 AMTrademark - A word, symbol, or phrase used to identify a particular company's product and differentiate it from other companies' products. Especially, such a term that is registered with a government agency so as to have legal protection against use by other companies. Coordinate terms: brandname, brand name, service mark, tradename, trade name, wordmark.

I used to work for a company that had a name that was synonymous with its product.

Think like "Kleenex." That is the company's name, but almost nobody says  "I need a Kleenex®-brand facial tissue," they just say "gimme a kleenex."

Man, the legal and marketingfolks  were *death* on any employee who referred to the product by the company's name. 

(the company was "Segway." yes, that Segway. The product was the Personal Transporter, or "PT", but I challenge you to find anybody but a former Segway employee who will call that device anything but a "Segway."  Thanks a lot, Paul Blart!)

Relevant YouTube video I just found:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRi8LptvFZY

Here's a little primer on intellectual property (IP). It's broadly divided into three groups: patents, copyrights, and trademarks.

Patent - A declaration issued by a government agency that the inventor of a new invention has the sole privilege of making, selling, or using the claimed invention for a specified period. Physical things, like machines, processes, formulas, etc.

Copyright - The right by law to be the entity which determines who may publish, copy and distribute a piece of writing, music, picture or other work of authorship.

Trademark - A word, symbol, or phrase used to identify a particular company's product and differentiate it from other companies' products. Especially, such a term that is registered with a government agency so as to have legal protection against use by other companies. Coordinate terms: brandname, brand name, service mark, tradename, trade name, wordmark.

Here's a specific bit of law regarding CAP's IP:

36 U.S. Code § 40306 - Exclusive right to name, insignia, copyrights, emblems, badges, marks, and words

The corporation has the exclusive right to use the name "Civil Air Patrol" and all insignia, copyrights, emblems, badges, descriptive or designating marks, words, and phrases the corporation adopts. This section does not affect any vested rights.
(Pub. L. 105–225, Aug. 12, 1998, 112 Stat. 1332.)

There's a lot more here: https://www.law.cornell.edu/ . Search for "civil air patrol"

Quote from: GroundHawg on Yesterday at 06:51:20 PMI am assuming National as it pertains to a design patent

Yeah, check CAPR 110-3 and CAPR 900-2 as far as CAP corporate emblems and their usage is concerned. Vanguard and other retailers aren't going to be any use, they just print and manufacture what they're given.

If you need any help, the History section at NHQ has two emails and a phone number published on the NHQ contacts page on their website.