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Fester
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« on: January 28, 2018, 11:59:13 PM »

Hello, I am a former Eaker Award recipient.  I am considering rejoining in the Senior program.  I'm curious how I would go about documenting the Eaker Award (after 20 years, I have NO idea where the certificate is and the Squadron I was a member of would in no way still have my personnel file) and  the previous decorations and awards I received? 

I have the Date and Number of the Eaker Award and I have Press Releases for the major decorations.  Do you think these would be sufficient?
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arajca
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« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2018, 12:08:16 AM »

They should be. I was able to get my Earhart listed using only a scan from CAPNews Cadet Awards List. And it was pre-Eaker.
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jb512
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« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2018, 12:10:08 AM »

My Mitchell award from 1991 showed up, along with my original CAP ID so there's a good chance yours will too.
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OldGuy
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« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2018, 12:18:34 AM »

I have the Date and Number of the Eaker Award and I have Press Releases for the major decorations.  Do you think these would be sufficient?
That should. Got almost all mine back after 40 years. It is doable. Welcome back!
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OldGuy
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« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2018, 01:32:41 AM »

BTW your Earhart qualifies you for near automatic promotion to 1st Lt and the Cadet Program Badge.

https://www.capmembers.com/cadet_programs/facebook_achievements/earhart-award/

 Within Civil Air Patrol they are now eligible to participate in the International Air Cadet Exchange Program.  Any cadet who has earned this award, and who later enters CAP's Senior Member program, is eligible for immediate promotion to CAP First Lieutenant  at age 21 and credited with the technician rating in the Cadet Programs Officer Specialty Track

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OldGuy
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« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2018, 01:35:32 AM »

Your Eaker also has benefits:

Any cadet who has earned this award, and who later enters CAP's Senior Member program, is credited with Squadron Leadership School and completion of Level II.

https://www.capmembers.com/cadet_programs/facebook_achievements/eaker-award
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Fester
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« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2018, 01:39:07 AM »

Your Eaker also has benefits:

Any cadet who has earned this award, and who later enters CAP's Senior Member program, is credited with Squadron Leadership School and completion of Level II.

https://www.capmembers.com/cadet_programs/facebook_achievements/eaker-award

Correct.  If I've read the regs correctly, I will have to take Level I because it's been more than a 2 year gap, but with NHQ approval, after that I can be granted 1Lt, SLS Completion, OBC Completion, CP Tech Level and Level II (Davis Award.)
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SarDragon
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« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2018, 02:13:49 AM »

A lot has changed in those 20 years. It would be beneficial to you, and those you lead, to actually complete the training areas you are asking for credit for. SLS is very different, OBC is all new, and the cadet program has also changed quite a bit. Your competency level will be very low if you try to rely on antique information that you learned 20+ years ago.
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OldGuy
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« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2018, 02:16:48 AM »

A lot has changed in those 20 years. It would be beneficial to you, and those you lead, to actually complete the training areas you are asking for credit for. SLS is very different, OBC is all new, and the cadet program has also changed quite a bit. Your competency level will be very low if you try to rely on antique information that you learned 20+ years ago.
True. I am doing all the prereqs as well, but it is nice to get recognized for actual experience.
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Fester
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« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2018, 02:49:17 AM »

A lot has changed in those 20 years. It would be beneficial to you, and those you lead, to actually complete the training areas you are asking for credit for. SLS is very different, OBC is all new, and the cadet program has also changed quite a bit. Your competency level will be very low if you try to rely on antique information that you learned 20+ years ago.

Yeah, I've considered that.  Or, at the very least, perusing all the course material for SLS and OBC online.  My understanding is if I include the Eaker Award info with my CAP F12, they will automatically mark those courses complete on eServices and I won't be able to complete them.  Is that correct?
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dwb
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« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2018, 09:57:49 AM »

I don't think the PD course credit will get automatically recorded. Even if it does, you can still enroll in them and re-record the credit.

They should still have your member records at Maxwell. Anyone who got a numbered Eaker is probably still in the database.

Welcome back to CAP! Indeed many things have changed, but we're still here creating dynamic Americans and aerospace leaders.
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TheSkyHornet
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« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2018, 10:02:53 AM »

A lot has changed in those 20 years. It would be beneficial to you, and those you lead, to actually complete the training areas you are asking for credit for. SLS is very different, OBC is all new, and the cadet program has also changed quite a bit. Your competency level will be very low if you try to rely on antique information that you learned 20+ years ago.

This.  :clap:

I had an in-depth discussion on this very subject over the weekend. The knowledge you will receive from formal training, rather than substitute for experience, is invaluable, just as that same experience is invaluable. Training and experience are complementary.
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NIN
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« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2018, 10:48:43 AM »

Yeah, I've considered that.  Or, at the very least, perusing all the course material for SLS and OBC online.  My understanding is if I include the Eaker Award info with my CAP F12, they will automatically mark those courses complete on eServices and I won't be able to complete them.  Is that correct?

Two sorta-kinda separate places.

Provide your Eaker info to your squadron PDO. They're the ones who should be "doing the dirty work" to get your equivalences.

CAPR 50-17, Chapter 9, para 9-1b details how to get official recognition of that via written request.

Cadets who "flip over" don't get automagic recognition of their CP awards, even if they are recorded in eServices. You have to specifically request the equivalences for senior awards. (its one of my "blue to grey" transition plan fixes, too)


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coudano
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« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2018, 12:21:04 PM »

There used to be a numerical list of the milestone awards.  I think it was being run from the field though.
I'm "sure?" that nhq should be able to match your name to an award number.
circa 1998 you were probably something in the 300's for an award number?

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Holding Pattern
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« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2018, 12:26:40 PM »

I don't think the PD course credit will get automatically recorded. Even if it does, you can still enroll in them and re-record the credit.

They should still have your member records at Maxwell. Anyone who got a numbered Eaker is probably still in the database.

Welcome back to CAP! Indeed many things have changed, but we're still here creating dynamic Americans and aerospace leaders.

It is a manual process outlined in the instructions module for PD entry.
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darkmatter
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« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2018, 02:07:01 PM »

If you want and with your commanders concent you can receive credit for eaker awards promotion to 1st Lt but not SLS and orientation everything is conditional and subject to commanders approval.
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Fester
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« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2018, 03:38:41 PM »

There used to be a numerical list of the milestone awards.  I think it was being run from the field though.
I'm "sure?" that nhq should be able to match your name to an award number.
circa 1998 you were probably something in the 300's for an award number?

Eaker Award was #125.
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abdsp51
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« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2018, 04:05:40 PM »

BTW your Earhart qualifies you for near automatic promotion to 1st Lt and the Cadet Program Badge.

https://www.capmembers.com/cadet_programs/facebook_achievements/earhart-award/

 Within Civil Air Patrol they are now eligible to participate in the International Air Cadet Exchange Program.  Any cadet who has earned this award, and who later enters CAP's Senior Member program, is eligible for immediate promotion to CAP First Lieutenant  at age 21 and credited with the technician rating in the Cadet Programs Officer Specialty Track

No promotion is automatic, especially advanced promotion.  It's all at tge CC's discretion.
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TheSkyHornet
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« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2018, 05:38:10 PM »

BTW your Earhart qualifies you for near automatic promotion to 1st Lt and the Cadet Program Badge.

https://www.capmembers.com/cadet_programs/facebook_achievements/earhart-award/

 Within Civil Air Patrol they are now eligible to participate in the International Air Cadet Exchange Program.  Any cadet who has earned this award, and who later enters CAP's Senior Member program, is eligible for immediate promotion to CAP First Lieutenant  at age 21 and credited with the technician rating in the Cadet Programs Officer Specialty Track

No promotion is automatic, especially advanced promotion.  It's all at the CC's discretion.

Then it isn't automatic.
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OldGuy
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« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2018, 05:49:58 PM »

BTW your Earhart qualifies you for near automatic promotion to 1st Lt and the Cadet Program Badge.

https://www.capmembers.com/cadet_programs/facebook_achievements/earhart-award/

 Within Civil Air Patrol they are now eligible to participate in the International Air Cadet Exchange Program.  Any cadet who has earned this award, and who later enters CAP's Senior Member program, is eligible for immediate promotion to CAP First Lieutenant  at age 21 and credited with the technician rating in the Cadet Programs Officer Specialty Track

No promotion is automatic, especially advanced promotion.  It's all at the CC's discretion.

Then it isn't automatic.

Eligible, not automatic. Have never heard of it being denied though. My Earhart predated my promotion to 1st Lt. by 40 years.

https://www.capmembers.com/cadet_programs/facebook_achievements/earhart-award/

 Within Civil Air Patrol they are now eligible to participate in the International Air Cadet Exchange Program.  Any cadet who has earned this award, and who later enters CAP's Senior Member program, is eligible for immediate promotion to CAP First Lieutenant  at age 21 and credited with the technician rating in the Cadet Programs Officer Specialty Track

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