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dudebro311
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« on: January 06, 2018, 08:46:22 PM »

Who has good/creative ES training topics out there? Need to re-vitalize my monthly meetings.

Annnnddd...go.
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Holding Pattern
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« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2018, 08:52:34 PM »

Build a giant compass.
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etodd
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« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2018, 09:05:48 PM »

Seniors or Cadets?

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grunt82abn
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« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2018, 09:52:41 PM »

Land Navigation using UTM maps


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Sean Riley, TSGT
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sardak
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« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2018, 12:17:50 AM »

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Build a giant compass.

Mike
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PHall
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« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2018, 01:05:06 AM »

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Build a giant compass.

Mike


Is that a compass or a Honey Badger trap? >:D
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Fubar
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« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2018, 05:43:05 AM »

Seniors or Cadets?

Allegedly it's the same training for both.
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KC3CTT
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« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2018, 12:41:07 PM »

Who has good/creative ES training topics out there? Need to re-vitalize my monthly meetings.

Annnnddd...go.
Following up on grunt82abn 's commont: If you haven't done any training recently using topo maps you can download and print them free. Google "topographic maps Nation Geograpgic".

There is also a good Andriod app for classroom viewing called "US Topo Maps". Suggested topics include identifying ridges, saddles, etc. as well as azimuths, back-azimuths and triangulation. 

You Tube has some good videos available.

 Note: GPS coordinates are slightly different than grid coordinates. Learn how to convert both ways.

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grunt82abn
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« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2018, 01:18:59 PM »

Who has good/creative ES training topics out there? Need to re-vitalize my monthly meetings.

Annnnddd...go.
Following up on grunt82abn 's commont: If you haven't done any training recently using topo maps you can download and print them free. Google "topographic maps Nation Geograpgic".

There is also a good Andriod app for classroom viewing called "US Topo Maps". Suggested topics include identifying ridges, saddles, etc. as well as azimuths, back-azimuths and triangulation. 

You Tube has some good videos available.

 Note: GPS coordinates are slightly different than grid coordinates. Learn how to convert both ways.

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Spot on! Great Follow-up!


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Sean Riley, TSGT
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« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2018, 02:21:16 PM »

PM me.
I have built an extensive and well-received land nav curriculum using USNG maps.
CAP, unless I am missing something, has not properly updated their lesson plans and resources since the mid-1990s.

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dudebro311
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« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2018, 03:02:52 PM »

Thanks for the input so far, UTM land nav is a good call... any creative ES aircrew-specific topics out there?
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etodd
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« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2018, 03:30:45 PM »

Maybe a little off topic, but was curious if anyone knows of a good video (preferably) or PPT that could be shown at meetings that gives a good overall look at all the aircrew positions? New members walk in the door and it would be something great for them to see. Goals to set, if they see it in action (hence the video). Get them pumped up about starting the process and training toward an end.

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Nick
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« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2018, 03:40:54 PM »

CAP, unless I am missing something, has not properly updated their lesson plans and resources since the mid-1990s.

Youíre not. I have not seen any national level training around USNG although the US SAR supplement specifically says to use it for land search and rescue. Thereís a NESA slide deck that talks about UTM (close, but not quite) and thatís all I know of.

Iím in the same boat, I put together a training a few years ago that incorporated FEMA US&R and FGDC material with my experience with MGRS, but that doesnít help standardize CAP as a whole. Just helped the folks in my area talk with the US&R teams we work with.




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sardak
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« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2018, 05:34:00 PM »

The task "O-0208 LOCATE A POINT ON A MAP USING UNIVERSAL TRANSVERSE MERCATOR (UTM) COORDINATES" was required for UDF and GTL when the original "new curriculum" was published in 2000-2001. It was dropped for the 2004 revision.

USNG became the federal government civilian standard in 2001 but was basically ignored until the Katrina after-action reports highlighted navigation problems.

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Nick
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« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2018, 07:36:37 PM »

The task "O-0208 LOCATE A POINT ON A MAP USING UNIVERSAL TRANSVERSE MERCATOR (UTM) COORDINATES" was required for UDF and GTL when the original "new curriculum" was published in 2000-2001. It was dropped for the 2004 revision.

I missed that; I was already GTL qualified at the time and there wasn't a huge impetus of revalidating individual tasks back then, it was just "go do your renewal sortie".

USNG became the federal government civilian standard in 2001 but was basically ignored until the Katrina after-action reports highlighted navigation problems.

It's still basically ignored today in many areas.  I would like to see O-0208 reborn as "locate a point on a map using USNG" and make it a required task for anyone who has to look at a map, and then implement the associated training to go with it.
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TheSkyHornet
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« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2018, 11:14:33 AM »

Seniors or Cadets?

Allegedly it's the same training for both.

Proceed with caution.

Reminder: Some cadets may not have a solid grasp on some of the training concepts, particularly those younger cadets or those with virtually no exposure to emergency management/operations.

The qualification curricula may be the same. Classroom training may need to differ depending on the audience.
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Fubar
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« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2018, 10:10:27 PM »

The qualification curricula may be the same. Classroom training may need to differ depending on the audience.

That is a good point.
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Brad
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« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2018, 09:16:02 PM »

For a good one-off or a recurring annual thing, talk to your local fire department or better yet if you're at an airport, your airport ARFF crew if there is one. See if they'll come out and have some talks on fire safety, equipment demos, rig demos, etc. Can count it as safety and ES, especially if you round up some out of service fire extinguishers as demo units to help train members how to use them when needed. Done this a few times over the years, always a great success.
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etodd
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« Reply #18 on: January 09, 2018, 09:39:25 PM »

For a good one-off or a recurring annual thing, talk to your local fire department or better yet if you're at an airport, your airport ARFF crew if there is one. See if they'll come out and have some talks on fire safety, equipment demos, rig demos, etc. Can count it as safety and ES, especially if you round up some out of service fire extinguishers as demo units to help train members how to use them when needed. Done this a few times over the years, always a great success.

We've done that. Seniors and Cadets always enjoy it.  We also had the local Helicopter Evac pay us a visit and they taught us how  to prepare and secure a landing zone and the correct hand signals to bring them in.  That was a fun and educational meeting.
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TheSkyHornet
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« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2018, 09:39:57 AM »

For a good one-off or a recurring annual thing, talk to your local fire department or better yet if you're at an airport, your airport ARFF crew if there is one. See if they'll come out and have some talks on fire safety, equipment demos, rig demos, etc. Can count it as safety and ES, especially if you round up some out of service fire extinguishers as demo units to help train members how to use them when needed. Done this a few times over the years, always a great success.

We've done that. Seniors and Cadets always enjoy it.  We also had the local Helicopter Evac pay us a visit and they taught us how  to prepare and secure a landing zone and the correct hand signals to bring them in.  That was a fun and educational meeting.

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