ABU Wear Test

[Storm Chaser]

A uniform cannot be disrespected as it is not a living thing.

However other uniform users can. Whenever you wear uniforms improperly, you disrespect others. But not the uniform itself...

The Air Force uniform means and represents something more mere organizational clothing and anyone who's served knows that.

[Luis R. Ramos]

Aww man, aren't you gonna let me off easily...?

[stillamarine]

A uniform cannot be disrespected as it is not a living thing.

However other uniform users can. Whenever you wear uniforms improperly, you disrespect others. But not the uniform itself...

The Air Force uniform means and represents something more mere organizational clothing and anyone who's served knows that.

I served. For a fairly good bit of time. Couple combat zones. To me its just clothing. There's a difference between some out of standards CAP member and stolen valor or some other junk that is really disrespecting the uniform. By hey that's me.

[Майор Хаткевич]

It flows downhill, sir.  This is why I hung up the BDUs except for mission critical...missions. Polo/tactical slacks for me until the 40 pounds I want to lose are gone for good. Perhaps we can set the tone...

Huh?


You're either within H/W, or you're not. I too can fit into my old BDUs. Doesn't mean I do, because I'm about 40lbs away from the mark. The solution is BBDUs.

[Garibaldi]

It flows downhill, sir.  This is why I hung up the BDUs except for mission critical...missions. Polo/tactical slacks for me until the 40 pounds I want to lose are gone for good. Perhaps we can set the tone...

Huh?


You're either within H/W, or you're not. I too can fit into my old BDUs. Doesn't mean I do, because I'm about 40lbs away from the mark. The solution is BBDUs.

I don't really LOOK like I'm out of compliance, except for the front-mount food storage/dessication unit. I've seen members further out of compliance than me who squeeze into a FDU or BDUs, and I am not going to be one of them anymore. When I've lost sufficient weight, I'll be back to BDUs. Until then, it's polo and tac pants.

[NIN]

I don't really LOOK like I'm out of compliance, except for the front-mount food storage/dessication unit. I've seen members further out of compliance than me who squeeze into a FDU or BDUs, and I am not going to be one of them anymore. When I've lost sufficient weight, I'll be back to BDUs. Until then, it's polo and tac pants.

How many members say "I don't really LOOK out of compliance" or "I carry it well."?

Here, let me raise my hand. 

When I was ~225 lbs, I said that same thing. The hint is: I didn't.

the height/weight standards are a number.  You're x high, you need to weigh less than z weight.

Not "Well, if you don't look out of compliance, you can continue to wear the uniform."

[Angus]

So instead of starting another thread I'll ask my question here.  Why are the ABU discussions kicking up again?  I thought we weren't getting it until you know where freezes over. 

[NIN]

So instead of starting another thread I'll ask my question here.  Why are the ABU discussions kicking up again?  I thought we weren't getting it until you know where freezes over.

Did you even read the thread?

[Angus]

Not the whole thing since it dates back to December, I don't have that much time. 

[Luis R. Ramos]

Read it, your question will be answered.

to whet your interest, we MIGHT!

[NIN]

Go back to about page 14

[Angus]

Go back to about page 14

Thanks that at least makes it a little easier.  So this all kicks up cause of Wikipedia.  Groovy.  While yes there has been wear-testing I still highly doubt we'll get ABU's any time soon if ever.

[Майор Хаткевич]

Go back to about page 14

Thanks that at least makes it a little easier.  So this all kicks up cause of Wikipedia.  Groovy.  While yes there has been wear-testing I still highly doubt we'll get ABU's any time soon if ever.

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[NIN]

Go back to about page 14

Thanks that at least makes it a little easier.  So this all kicks up cause of Wikipedia.  Groovy.  While yes there has been wear-testing I still highly doubt we'll get ABU's any time soon if ever.

Did you actually *read* the thread?

Cuz it sounds like you skimmed it and all you got was "Wikipedia"

[Al Sayre]

So instead of starting another thread I'll ask my question here.  Why are the ABU discussions kicking up again?  I thought we weren't getting it until you know where freezes over.

The devil has been turning up his thermostat lately...

[THRAWN]

Why take the time to read when all that does it take time away from complaining about not having time to read?

[Luis R. Ramos]

Not only complaining about "no time to read" but one well-intentioned member will repeat what has been posted earlier...

[Garibaldi]

I don't really LOOK like I'm out of compliance, except for the front-mount food storage/dessication unit. I've seen members further out of compliance than me who squeeze into a FDU or BDUs, and I am not going to be one of them anymore. When I've lost sufficient weight, I'll be back to BDUs. Until then, it's polo and tac pants.

How many members say "I don't really LOOK out of compliance" or "I carry it well."?

Here, let me raise my hand. 

When I was ~225 lbs, I said that same thing. The hint is: I didn't.

the height/weight standards are a number.  You're x high, you need to weigh less than z weight.

Not "Well, if you don't look out of compliance, you can continue to wear the uniform."

Not sure if you are supporting or refuting my position...all I know is I'm 240 @ 5'7", so the AF style is staying in the closet. Addendum: including missions.

[USACAP]

The CAP weight standard is entirely 1 dimensional though.
You can't eyeball me and calculate my bodyfat % nor my weight.
I am ~30lbs over the weight for my height but sit @ 17% bodyfat.
Have never been asked to step on a scale for CAP and never would.
H/W isn't the full measure of how the USAF (or the .mil) computes fitness and bodyfat ...
Unless CAP members take the whole test and comply with all of the Air Force Physical Fitness Requirements ... you rely on 1 screening factor.
I suppose most people who can't "make weight" are just soft around the middle and don't have a 600lb deadlift.

You're either within H/W, or you're not.
I too can fit into my old BDUs. Doesn't mean I do, because I'm about 40lbs away from the mark. The solution is BBDUs.

[Spaceman3750]

The CAP weight standard is entirely 1 dimensional though.
You can't eyeball me and calculate my bodyfat % nor my weight.
I am ~30lbs over the weight for my height but sit @ 17% bodyfat.
Have never been asked to step on a scale for CAP and never would.
H/W isn't the full measure of how the USAF (or the .mil) computes fitness and bodyfat ...
Unless CAP members take the whole test and comply with all of the Air Force Physical Fitness Requirements ... you rely on 1 screening factor.
I suppose most people who can't "make weight" are just soft around the middle and don't have a 600lb deadlift.

You're either within H/W, or you're not.
I too can fit into my old BDUs. Doesn't mean I do, because I'm about 40lbs away from the mark. The solution is BBDUs.

That's cool, but that's the way the reg is written, and our core value of integrity dictates that you follow the reg, whether or not you think it will be enforced.