ABU Wear Test

[Slim]

If it should come to pass that unit patches aren't allowed on this new uniform, I do have one question.

To whom can my unit sent the request for reimbursement of the almost $700 we just spent for a 7-10 year supply of unit patches?

If CAP has to buy out Vanguard's stock of obsolete patches, only seems fair, right?

[A.Member]

The one on the left, with black boots, looks great (although I'm good with the tan as well)...the boots make it more distinctive while still tying us to Ma Blue overall. 

Nice work Uniform Committee.  :clap:  Wrap it up and push it forward.

Those complaining about patches (or lack thereof)...really?! 

[A.Member]

If it should come to pass that unit patches aren't allowed on this new uniform, I do have one question.

To whom can my unit sent the request for reimbursement of the almost $700 we just spent for a 7-10 year supply of unit patches?

If CAP has to buy out Vanguard's stock of obsolete patches, only seems fair, right?

Who is foolish enough to buy a 7 to 10 year supply of unit patches?  Talk to that person.  They're not even required on current uniforms.  Reimbursement?  Get a grip.

[HGjunkie]

If it should come to pass that unit patches aren't allowed on this new uniform, I do have one question.

To whom can my unit sent the request for reimbursement of the almost $700 we just spent for a 7-10 year supply of unit patches?

If CAP has to buy out Vanguard's stock of obsolete patches, only seems fair, right?

Maybe give them to your members like you were going to do in the first place? Patches aren't solely for uniforms, they're cool things to put up on your wall or shadow box or whatever.

[Chappie]

If it should come to pass that unit patches aren't allowed on this new uniform, I do have one question.

To whom can my unit sent the request for reimbursement of the almost $700 we just spent for a 7-10 year supply of unit patches?

If CAP has to buy out Vanguard's stock of obsolete patches, only seems fair, right?

Maybe give them to your members like you were going to do in the first place? Patches aren't solely for uniforms, they're cool things to put up on your wall or shadow box or whatever.

^^ Concur ^^  Patches are much cheaper than coins and are excellent tokens of appreciation.  They are great collectibles.    For a unit's informal/casual events, patches can be sewn on a shirt of their choosing ... or if you want to be more structured provide guidelines for the style/color so everyone matches. 

[Luis R. Ramos]

Those complaining about patches (or lack thereof)...really?! 


REALLY!

And why not? Did you pay fror CAPTalk so now you can dictate what and how we can feel or discuss?

[Holding Pattern]

Captalk has taught us well, what can we say?

[abdsp51]

Since we are talking patches I think that us CP guys should have a patch version of our CP badge. 

[winterg]

Every specialty track in CAP should have its own function badge like the Air Force has for AFSC's.  It would make so much more sense than the current pocket badges.

[lordmonar]

Yep CP ES  and AE should have specialty badges (over the ribbons) in stead of the duty badges they got now.

[A.Member]

Those complaining about patches (or lack thereof)...really?! 


REALLY!

And why not? Did you pay fror CAPTalk so now you can dictate what and how we can feel or discuss?

I paid the same as you and no one said you can't continue to whine about it.  You just sound silly doing so.  We're not the Cub Scouts.

[Luis R. Ramos]

Ther comparison is... at best silly.

I have not seen anyone whining about it.

And people in here whine about other stuff.

I see you claim to hold the monopoly on what we can whine about.

[Shuman 14]

Every specialty track in CAP should have its own function badge like the Air Force has for AFSC's.  It would make so much more sense than the current pocket badges.

:clap:

[THRAWN]

I wear the boots that Colonel Knowles is wearing. The photo shows exactly why it is that I loathe them. If they get wet just a bit, or dirty, they look like junk. Stick with the black. They'd be distinctive enough and the maintenance isn't obnoxious.

As for the insignia, stick with the current wings and badges. I do agree that the "big three" should have matching insignia, similar to what CP and AE have now. Never understood why ES had that little "red badge of courage"...As for the other specialty insignia, get them embroidered and put them on. They'll look like the USAF med series...

Keep the uniform simple. Name, branch, specialty insignia, period.

[LTC Don]

That other than black boots is even being considered is enough to call the NUC's credibility into question.  No matter the phase out date, black boots can last literally for decades for adults, no more than we wear them. There is absolutely no need or requirement to consider anything different given the cost for decent boots (easily $75-200). And I say this as someone who no longer bothers with the vagaries of the mi-spec uniforms, but readily wears the corporate style uniforms (although I still maintain some BDU sets for the rare occasion I get the twitch to go camo).

That said, I like the ABU look in general.  Coupled with that is the fact that our area surplus stores are stocking less and less of the woodland bdus (our closest surplus store doesn't bother trying to stock it at all anymore) so our folks are having to buy more and more new stuff.  If we are truly TotalForce, CAP should be the primary recipient of any surplus stocks of either woodland and/or ABU and should be coordinated through CAP-USAF.  Nothing should be going through to Federal Surplus/DRMO until CAP has a chance to screen it.  We've lost tons (literally) of Woodland over the years that should have come to CAP first before going out to Fed Surplus or to the States.

I went to State auction one time (years ago) that had at least two semi trailer loads of Woodland BDUs.  They went for pennies on the dollar and I asked the winning bidder what was going to happen to the lot (hoping he was an area surplus dealer).  He said, "Oh, that rag, it's all going to be shipped overseas."  That was at the time the Bosnia/Herzogovina conflict was happening so I can only wonder where all that great looking Woodland ended up....... 

[THRAWN]

That other than black boots is even being considered is enough to call the NUC's credibility into question.  No matter the phase out date, black boots can last literally for decades for adults, no more than we wear them. There is absolutely no need or requirement to consider anything different given the cost for decent boots (easily $75-200). And I say this as someone who no longer bothers with the vagaries of the mi-spec uniforms, but readily wears the corporate style uniforms (although I still maintain some BDU sets for the rare occasion I get the twitch to go camo).

That said, I like the ABU look in general.  Coupled with that is the fact that our area surplus stores are stocking less and less of the woodland bdus (our closest surplus store doesn't bother trying to stock it at all anymore) so our folks are having to buy more and more new stuff.  If we are truly TotalForce, CAP should be the primary recipient of any surplus stocks of either woodland and/or ABU and should be coordinated through CAP-USAF.  Nothing should be going through to Federal Surplus/DRMO until CAP has a chance to screen it.  We've lost tons (literally) of Woodland over the years that should have come to CAP first before going out to Fed Surplus or to the States.

I went to State auction one time (years ago) that had at least two semi trailer loads of Woodland BDUs.  They went for pennies on the dollar and I asked the winning bidder what was going to happen to the lot (hoping he was an area surplus dealer).  He said, "Oh, that rag, it's all going to be shipped overseas."  That was at the time the Bosnia/Herzogovina conflict was happening so I can only wonder where all that great looking Woodland ended up....... 

Concur on the boots. I had a pair of black Rothcos that I wore just about daily of about 15 years. On the other hand, the boots that I wear with the ACU have been replaced twice in 3 years of infrequent wear.

[lordmonar]

I wear my ABU boot at work.....and have for the last 9 years....still holding up great.

So YMMV.

[tribalelder]

All new regs on hold pending the new codification scheme.

ABU's may be phased out for active duty for whatever the then-new all-service camouflage uniform is going to be. WE NEED NOT FRET ABOUT abu's yet.

BUT if we NEED to wear-test, wouldn't we get a more valid wear-test by sending 12 cadets to NBB, NESA, Hawk Mountain or PJOC  for 2 weeks.

[Luis R. Ramos]

For those of you previous service that are saying that "Other than black boots did not last long therefore we should use black..." I have a question:

Back there, you used those boots every single day or almost. In a rough environment.

Do you think the service you gonna get in CAP in the future will be comparable to the service ya did when in the military?

I thought so.

I like the black boots better. But stating "We should use black boots because non-black boots do not last" probably does not/will not apply to CAP since we probably will not do as much as you did back then. It may be possible... the non-black boots may last enough in our service...

But if we have a vote on this, I go with the black boots...

[Holding Pattern]

Black boots are easier to keep "uniform," brown boots tend to become "shades of brown" over time.