All right, which one of us was responsible for this

[DC]

But he didn't have permission to land on the property.

Just because you CAN physically land anywhere, doesn't mean you're legally allowed to do so...or that you should.

If he landed in your backyard, with no intent to unlawfully enter your home, you probably wouldn't be real pleased.

Don't get me wrong, I like the idea. but as a pilot with a CPL-H, I wouldn't do it without getting permission first.

My backyard is private property, a public school isn't.

Obviously it wasn't exactly a smart decision, however it doesn't appear that it was illegal or unsafe.

[Flying Pig]

Right, two different scenarios.  Public School where parents are allowed to come onto campus, drop their kids off, etc vs. my fenced in yard where this dude has no business.  Again, him being in a helicopter is a moot point.  Its his body that would be considered to be trespassing, not the vehicle that brought him.  He wasnt trespassing.  He was dropping his kid off at school.  TRUST ME....its not trespassing.....even in FL.

There could, however, be something in the FL State Vehicle Code that may prevent this.  Every State is different (Thank God) because that means I can still find a happy place.  The day I retire, Im packing my boxes and heading......somewhere.  DARN YOU CALIFORNIA AND ALL OF YOUR STUPID IDEAS!!!

[Rotorhead]

But he didn't have permission to land on the property.

Just because you CAN physically land anywhere, doesn't mean you're legally allowed to do so...or that you should.

If he landed in your backyard, with no intent to unlawfully enter your home, you probably wouldn't be real pleased.

Don't get me wrong, I like the idea. but as a pilot with a CPL-H, I wouldn't do it without getting permission first.

My backyard is private property, a public school isn't.

Obviously it wasn't exactly a smart decision, however it doesn't appear that it was illegal or unsafe.

Schools are in a murky area re: trespassing.

Don't believe me? Ask a random person to just walk onto campus and watch how long it takes for the SRO to question and remove him. If it were "public property," this wouldn't happen.

[Flying Pig]

Intent is the key.

Ned....help a brother out here!!!

[aveighter]

Good Heavens, you girls will wail and cry about anything!  Real men would say "yeah baby!! way to go dude!"  You ninnies are running for the law books looking for someone to tattle to.

How about gutting the F-22 and C-17 lines?  How about dismantling our missile defense technology development programs at this particular time in history?  Support and advocacy for the air power development and superiority aspects of the Air Force actually is one of our missions.  You did know that, right?

You sissies have any opinions on that?  You know, issues that actually matter.  National security of the United States and things like that.

[notaNCO forever]

Good Heavens, you girls will wail and cry about anything!  Real men would say "yeah baby!! way to go dude!"  You ninnies are running for the law books looking for someone to tattle to.

How about gutting the F-22 and C-17 lines?  How about dismantling our missile defense technology development programs at this particular time in history?  Support and advocacy for the air power development and superiority aspects of the Air Force actually is one of our missions.  You did know that, right?

You sissies have any opinions on that?  You know, issues that actually matter.  National security of the United States and things like that.

What does this have to do with the United State's aerospace defense technology? It's a simple discussion about if landing a helicopter at a school is legal; an entirely different subject than what you brought up.

[aveighter]

You're right.  It is a simple discussion about nothing of consequence. 

An observation by someone on something interesting that happened devolves into meaningless blather.  Don't you get sick of it?

There are so many serious issues that do relate to our service in the auxiliary of the Air Force that you can potentially have impact on.  Try some of those for a change.  Serious discussions of meaningful issues by serious people, professionals. 

There are a number of posters here that have heavy weight backgrounds and experience and have perspectives that I, for one, would like to see applied to some of these topics.

Imagine a senior staff officer of Northern Command perusing some of the crap that passes for intellectual discourse here.  Embarrassing. 

[Rotorhead]

Good Heavens, you girls will wail and cry about anything!  Real men would say "yeah baby!! way to go dude!"  You ninnies are running for the law books looking for someone to tattle to.

How about gutting the F-22 and C-17 lines?  How about dismantling our missile defense technology development programs at this particular time in history?  Support and advocacy for the air power development and superiority aspects of the Air Force actually is one of our missions.  You did know that, right?

You sissies have any opinions on that?  You know, issues that actually matter.  National security of the United States and things like that.

Then why don't you start a thread on that instead of calling people names on this one?

Or do you think the tops brass at NORTHCOM would enjoy seeing you suggest that people here aren't "real men"?

[Flying Pig]

Well, someone posted an aviation related topic.  Some legalities came up regarding what happened.  Im a cop, so I am trying to clarify an issue for a member that really could get someone in trouble.  I think the issue of trespassing and the legalities surrounding it is very relevant to CAP.  Im a helicopter pilot, so its relevant to me.  Rotorhead...given his screen name must have something to do with the helo industry?
As far as all of the other things you mentioned, Im sure we are all equally concerned about defense issues but that wasnt the topic.   And if we want to talk about REAL issues, I post homeland security articles all the time related to gangs in the military and border security issues.  I dont think Ive ever seen you respond to one of those? 

I dont know who you are, and Im quite certain you dont know who I am.  So I would suggest if you are going to jump in and start personally insulting people while hiding behind the anonymity of the internet, I expect to see your full name and location at the bottom of your signature.  Otherwise, checkout of the thread.

[SJFedor]

And moving back towards the center of the thread direction....

doubt he violated any FARs, at least that I could find. And unless the state/county/city government has laws or ordinances about whether or not you can land stuff like that would dictate whether he's got the local authorities to worry about.

But no lie, that's a ballin way to start off high school.

[aveighter]

Actually, Capt. Steht, you were one of the posters I was referencing regarding opinions I would be interested in on topics that matter.

I do read your HLS posts and have utilized some of that information in our AO.  Your posts on  those articles and situations are informational in nature and I have nothing substantive to add to them.  Further discussions on those topics are not appropriate in this forum anyway for reasons I know you understand.

[flyerthom]

I don't think it's nearly the same league as the clown that landed his Piper Clipper on a golf course so his kid wouldn't miss his tennis match:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/newsstand/797664-pilot-lands-golf-course-sons-tennis-practice.html

[Johnny Yuma]

But he didn't have permission to land on the property.

Just because you CAN physically land anywhere, doesn't mean you're legally allowed to do so...or that you should.

If he landed in your backyard, with no intent to unlawfully enter your home, you probably wouldn't be real pleased.

Don't get me wrong, I like the idea. but as a pilot with a CPL-H, I wouldn't do it without getting permission first.

My backyard is private property, a public school isn't.

Obviously it wasn't exactly a smart decision, however it doesn't appear that it was illegal or unsafe.

Schools are in a murky area re: trespassing.

Don't believe me? Ask a random person to just walk onto campus and watch how long it takes for the SRO to question and remove him. If it were "public property," this wouldn't happen.

People just traipsing through the halls is one thing, dropping your kid off (albeit a helicopter) is another.

Sheesh, talk about beating the dead horse.

[flyerthom]

The day I retire, Im packing my boxes and heading......somewhere.  DARN YOU CALIFORNIA AND ALL OF YOUR STUPID IDEAS!!! 

Intent is the key.

Ned....help a brother out here!!!

The 5 acre lot below me is for sale in NV, I'll buy the first rounds and get you hooked up with a part time HEMS gig. We have a bunch of squadrons to choose from. We can go halves on a rortrway Talon A600 http://www.rotorway.com/talon.html
and land it on my driveway...

Oh not that kind of help 

[JohnKachenmeister]

Right, two different scenarios.  Public School where parents are allowed to come onto campus, drop their kids off, etc vs. my fenced in yard where this dude has no business.  Again, him being in a helicopter is a moot point.  Its his body that would be considered to be trespassing, not the vehicle that brought him.  He wasnt trespassing.  He was dropping his kid off at school.  TRUST ME....its not trespassing.....even in FL.

There could, however, be something in the FL State Vehicle Code that may prevent this.  Every State is different (Thank God) because that means I can still find a happy place.  The day I retire, Im packing my boxes and heading......somewhere.  DARN YOU CALIFORNIA AND ALL OF YOUR STUPID IDEAS!!!

I checked both FL state and Orlando City codes on line.  There was no law violated.  A single landing is OK, but if he intends to shutle the kid to class every day, the LZ must be designated as a "Helistop," but that ain't gonna happen because helicopters are way too pricey to rent.

[JohnKachenmeister]

But he didn't have permission to land on the property.

Just because you CAN physically land anywhere, doesn't mean you're legally allowed to do so...or that you should.

If he landed in your backyard, with no intent to unlawfully enter your home, you probably wouldn't be real pleased.

Don't get me wrong, I like the idea. but as a pilot with a CPL-H, I wouldn't do it without getting permission first.

My backyard is private property, a public school isn't.

Obviously it wasn't exactly a smart decision, however it doesn't appear that it was illegal or unsafe.

Schools are in a murky area re: trespassing.

Don't believe me? Ask a random person to just walk onto campus and watch how long it takes for the SRO to question and remove him. If it were "public property," this wouldn't happen.

There's no "Murk."  A random guy coming onto school property for no reason is trespassing.  A father dropping his kid off to school has privilege to enter the property.

[ande.boyer]

My flight instructor dropped off his daughter at school every day in his helipcopter when we were in jr high on his way to work at the airport (he also operated a charter service).

Everyone thought it was the coolest.

[flyguy06]

He may not have broken any Federal Regulations, but he he may have broken State or local regulations. Here in Georgia The FAA doesnt have any rules against a sea palne landing in a lake. A guy in a Sea plane landed at Lake Lanier and the local Sheriff gave him a ticket because its against state law.

I think in this landing at the school situation was irresponsible because the pilot didnt alert school officials or anything so what did he expect the reaction to be?

[JohnKachenmeister]

I checked both Florida state laws and Orlando city ordinances, and there are no laws restricting a single helicopter landng anywhere.

Regular use of an landing area by helicopters requires a state inspection and approval of the area as a helistop.

As far as the school officials go, I am sure they will get over this momentary distraction in their program of indoctrinating America's youth with left-wing ideology, and eventually use it as an object lesson as to why "Freedom" is a bad thing and should be controlled by the government.

[Flying Pig]

As a helicopter pilot and father myself I dont want some yahoo with a PPL and 41.7 hrs landing a helo at my kids school playground.

However, that being said, my kids go to private school because I think most of the teachers in my area are left wing nut jobs.