Member Transfer Problems

[Spike]

Hi everyone!  Does anyone know what this means;

The chosen member has a disallowed termination type. This transfer must go through the Member Services Department

I am trying to transfer a Cadet in E-Services, but this pops up when I hit submit.

Does this mean the Cadet has done something "bad".....or does it mean something else??

Thanks!

[FW]

Unless the cadet was terminated for cause, that "comment" should not have come up.  Probably was a mixup somewhere.  Call member services to get things cleared up.  It should be an easy fix.

[Spike]

Thank you Sir!

[Pylon]

Is that the infamous "flag" we always hear about in the membership system?  As in "That member was flagged"?   

[SDF_Specialist]

Sounds like it. As stated, call member services. They should be able to help you get the figured out.

[RiverAux]

I don't think so since this is a transfer, not someone trying to rejoin after being kicked out. 

[SDF_Specialist]

I don't think so since this is a transfer, not someone trying to rejoin after being kicked out.

Good point. But could this warning be coming up because the member was flagged in the first place?

[RiverAux]

No idea.

There did use to be a way that members could be flagged so that they could not renew their membership, but that went away a while ago. 

[FW]

Actually, non renewal is still technically "on the books".  Even though the dreaded "2D" is gone, a commander can still "flag" a membership when a member fails to renew within a 90 day window (at least that is what I've been told).

So boys and girls who contribute on CT, make sure you renew on a timely basis.....

Seriously though, membership flags are used for members who have been terminated for cause or, who have resigned their membership for any number of reasons and, the wing/cc decided it would be best to keep them "resigned". 
A "flagged" former member may only rejoin CAP with wing/cc or above permission.

[SDF_Specialist]

The 2D or 2B?

[Cecil DP]

Could be a simple as the losing squadron refusing the transfer. The cadet in question may owe the squadron equipment or money, or as stated in the middle of a 2B or other punitive action.

[arajca]

The 2D or 2B?

2D. The form was to allow commanders to flag a member to prevent them from renewing. The problem with it was there was no way for the member to know the flag was in place since the member never signed or saw the form. And once they were no longer a member, they had no recourse in the CAP system to regain their membership.

[Pylon]

The 2D or 2B?

2D. The form was to allow commanders to flag a member to prevent them from renewing. The problem with it was there was no way for the member to know the flag was in place since the member never signed or saw the form. And once they were no longer a member, they had no recourse in the CAP system to regain their membership.

So instead of removing the process or status, we just publicly removed the form so the process was even more secretive and unknown to the members its used against.  Nice.   

[RiverAux]

That isn't what FW described.  What he said was that if a member failed to renew on their own after 90 days (which means they are really gone, gone from CAP because of their own decision), a commander could flag their record then to prevent them from rejoining.  That is quite a bit different in substance from the old 2d process.  I have no earthly idea why someone would want to go through the trouble to do that.

[SDF_Specialist]

I was only curious about the form. When I was in CAP, I was Admin/Personnel and I don't remember the 2D. That's a crappy idea to flag a member if they are gone after 90 days to prevent them from rejoining.

[Pylon]

I was only curious about the form. When I was in CAP, I was Admin/Personnel and I don't remember the 2D. That's a crappy idea to flag a member if they are gone after 90 days to prevent them from rejoining.

Depends on when you were in.  I remember seeing the Form 2D, but not in the last 8-10 years.

[SDF_Specialist]

I was only curious about the form. When I was in CAP, I was Admin/Personnel and I don't remember the 2D. That's a crappy idea to flag a member if they are gone after 90 days to prevent them from rejoining.

Depends on when you were in.  I remember seeing the Form 2D, but not in the last 8-10 years.

I just left last year. So it was probably before my time.

[FW]

CAPF 2D was taken out of service as of Feb. 2001.  The Board of Governors decided the non renewal process was unfair.  At the time, a Membership Review Board was established to review all the "2D" non renewals which took place (about 30).   All were invited to return to active membership. I think 11 came back to CAP. 

[Spike]

UPDATE.....

After three days of trying to figure out what was going on, NHQ got back to me.  It is a "flag", after some research they tracked down the Cadets former Commander (left CAP 1 year ago), I called that person, found out the reasoning behind the flag and now that Cadet will not be joining my Squadron.  His current Commander had no idea he was transferring into my Squadron, and I was accepting him because he said he just moved into the area for college. 

The Cadet in question tried to do an end run around his past misdeeds.  The flag will officially become a 2b in about 1 week, as his membership expires in 25 days, and his current Commander now has my documentation to add to the 2b case!

Thanks for the help!

[SDF_Specialist]

Wow, that sucks. At least you guys were able to track down who was responsible for the flag, and find out why.