Has anyone considered that there was some leeway given in the pants due to the fact that the uniform's target wearers are all built differently? Look, I weigh 300lbs, if you ask me to wear anything cut the same way for a bazillion people, it's either not going to fit or look horrible. At least with the GWs I can go to my local JC Penny and wear what fits and looks best on me.

I now return you to your regularly scheduled session of "bigger fish to fry".

A valid point - the whites are intended for the average member to be able to go into their closet and find something
approximating most of the parts.

They didn't originate as a color-alternative to the blues, the original incarnation only had a black nameplate, and then
evolpromised^® over time in order to quell the more then 50% of the adult members who found they could not
participate in the bling fest.

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That's how the G/W was when I first joined CAP.

I remember actually feeling that those who had/chose to wear that kit were being discriminated against, because they had no way to wear the awards they had earned.

My opinion of the G/W is well-known, but at least the current form allows CAP members to wear their CAP awards/speciality badges, which is an improvement.

Quote from: shuman14 on March 16, 2014, 08:34:52 PM

QuoteEwwww. . .nope, no poly. . .I got fire fear, having seen the effects of melt. I get lazy and wear the polo and gray slacks in the airplane when it gets hot, but it creeps me out a bit.  I'm was gonna ditch the "standard" polo this summer, and go with an all cotton polo, as are my gray flying slacks.  It actually doesn't cost that much to have a cotton clone of the polo whipped up.

Still, to keep the peace, the other option could have been to fly exclusively in flight suit,  if your idea came to fruition.

Why would you want to fly in a Service uniform? 

Because they did in WWI? 

Quote from: Private Investigator on March 17, 2014, 05:05:40 PM

Quote from: shuman14 on March 16, 2014, 08:34:52 PM

QuoteEwwww. . .nope, no poly. . .I got fire fear, having seen the effects of melt. I get lazy and wear the polo and gray slacks in the airplane when it gets hot, but it creeps me out a bit.  I'm was gonna ditch the "standard" polo this summer, and go with an all cotton polo, as are my gray flying slacks.  It actually doesn't cost that much to have a cotton clone of the polo whipped up.

Still, to keep the peace, the other option could have been to fly exclusively in flight suit,  if your idea came to fruition.

Why would you want to fly in a Service uniform? 

Because they did in WWI? 

As did the RAF/Commonwealth in WWII...


(My compliments on this very well-modelled Flying Officer, Battle of Britain era)

...until they got their own blue battledress (patterned after the British Army's, and from whence our own "Ike" jackets came), shown by this Canadian Flight Sergeant:

Quote from: Spaceman3750 on March 16, 2014, 08:52:08 PM
Has anyone considered that there was some leeway given in the pants due to the fact that the uniform's target wearers are all built differently? Look, I weigh 300lbs, if you ask me to wear anything cut the same way for a bazillion people, it's either not going to fit or look horrible. At least with the GWs I can go to my local JC Penny and wear what fits and looks best on me.

I now return you to your regularly scheduled session of "bigger fish to fry".

The "high end" grey trousers we are discussing are commercially available law enforcement uniform trousers.

I've seen some cops that are well over 300 lbs, Both Hulk Hogan types and Fat Albert types.

So I'm pretty sure they could be acquired in the size that you need.

If CAP was to standardize a grey color shade and style cut of course.

Quote from: Eclipse on March 16, 2014, 08:59:08 PM
A valid point - the whites are intended for the average member to be able to go into their closet and find something
approximating most of the parts.

They didn't originate as a color-alternative to the blues, the original incarnation only had a black nameplate, and then
evolpromised^® over time in order to quell the more then 50% of the adult members who found they could not
participate in the bling fest.

"evolpromised^®" is registered trademark of eClipseco Mining and Heavy Machinery Consortium.  All Rights Reserved.  Let eClipseco service all of your rhetoric and propaganda needs!

But the point is Sir that they HAVE morphed into a "color-alternative" corporate uniform.

Shouldn't that uniform have uniformity across CAP?

Quote from: Private Investigator on March 17, 2014, 05:05:40 PM

Quote from: shuman14 on March 16, 2014, 08:34:52 PM

QuoteEwwww. . .nope, no poly. . .I got fire fear, having seen the effects of melt. I get lazy and wear the polo and gray slacks in the airplane when it gets hot, but it creeps me out a bit.  I'm was gonna ditch the "standard" polo this summer, and go with an all cotton polo, as are my gray flying slacks.  It actually doesn't cost that much to have a cotton clone of the polo whipped up.

Still, to keep the peace, the other option could have been to fly exclusively in flight suit,  if your idea came to fruition.

Why would you want to fly in a Service uniform? 

Because they did in WWI? 

That was almost 100 years ago... why would you want to do that now? 

Quote from: CyBorg on March 17, 2014, 09:40:13 PM

Quote from: Private Investigator on March 17, 2014, 05:05:40 PM

Quote from: shuman14 on March 16, 2014, 08:34:52 PM

QuoteEwwww. . .nope, no poly. . .I got fire fear, having seen the effects of melt. I get lazy and wear the polo and gray slacks in the airplane when it gets hot, but it creeps me out a bit.  I'm was gonna ditch the "standard" polo this summer, and go with an all cotton polo, as are my gray flying slacks.  It actually doesn't cost that much to have a cotton clone of the polo whipped up.

Still, to keep the peace, the other option could have been to fly exclusively in flight suit,  if your idea came to fruition.

Why would you want to fly in a Service uniform? 

Because they did in WWI? 

As did the RAF/Commonwealth in WWII...


(My compliments on this very well-modelled Flying Officer, Battle of Britain era)

...until they got their own blue battledress (patterned after the British Army's, and from whence our own "Ike" jackets came), shown by this Canadian Flight Sergeant:

And that was over 70 years ago, again why today? 

Quote from: shuman14 on March 19, 2014, 10:40:01 PM

Quote from: CyBorg on March 17, 2014, 09:40:13 PM

Quote from: Private Investigator on March 17, 2014, 05:05:40 PM

Quote from: shuman14 on March 16, 2014, 08:34:52 PM

QuoteEwwww. . .nope, no poly. . .I got fire fear, having seen the effects of melt. I get lazy and wear the polo and gray slacks in the airplane when it gets hot, but it creeps me out a bit.  I'm was gonna ditch the "standard" polo this summer, and go with an all cotton polo, as are my gray flying slacks.  It actually doesn't cost that much to have a cotton clone of the polo whipped up.

Still, to keep the peace, the other option could have been to fly exclusively in flight suit,  if your idea came to fruition.

Why would you want to fly in a Service uniform? 

Because they did in WWI? 

As did the RAF/Commonwealth in WWII...


(My compliments on this very well-modelled Flying Officer, Battle of Britain era)

...until they got their own blue battledress (patterned after the British Army's, and from whence our own "Ike" jackets came), shown by this Canadian Flight Sergeant:

And that was over 70 years ago, again why today? 

The same reason 'tactically cool' guys/gals wear Oakleys and others wear sunglasses hecho en China and bought for $5 at Walmart. 

The photo is of the Andrews Composite Squadron commander (NatCap Wing).  For several years he has been making a presentation on the Tuskegee Airman during Black History month to the squadrons in our wing.  His father was one of the Tuskegee Airman and he speaks about their experiences during WW II.  During the presentation, he wears a WW II CAP uniform and talks about the insignia and how it relates to current Air Force insignia.

Tom

He certainly does it well.  Spit 'an polish and not a thread out of place.

Question: What is the single ribbon he is wearing?

Quote from: tcs on April 07, 2014, 07:16:24 PM
The photo is of the Andrews Composite Squadron commander (NatCap Wing).  For several years he has been making a presentation on the Tuskegee Airman during Black History month to the squadrons in our wing.  His father was one of the Tuskegee Airman and he speaks about their experiences during WW II.  During the presentation, he wears a WW II CAP uniform and talks about the insignia and how it relates to current Air Force insignia.

Tom

Tom, thank you for sh :clap:aring and welcome aboard the CAP Talk 

Quote from: tcs on April 07, 2014, 07:16:24 PM
The photo is of the Andrews Composite Squadron commander (NatCap Wing).  For several years he has been making a presentation on the Tuskegee Airman during Black History month to the squadrons in our wing.  His father was one of the Tuskegee Airman and he speaks about their experiences during WW II.  During the presentation, he wears a WW II CAP uniform and talks about the insignia and how it relates to current Air Force insignia.

Tom

If he ever ventures to Michigan, there's a little composite squadron in the southwest corner that would host him in a heart-beat! 

We've had a few visits by a couple Tuskegee Airmen locally over the years. Always a great experience.

Quote from: a2capt on April 07, 2014, 09:29:14 PM
We've had a few visits by a couple Tuskegee Airmen locally over the years. Always a great experience.

I would like to meet one of them, but unfortunately that's rapidly becoming unattainable.

One of them, Major Charles E. Hall, was from my wife's hometown.  There is a street named after him.

Quote from: CyBorg on April 07, 2014, 07:22:15 PM
Question: What is the single ribbon he is wearing?

Can't quite tell in that picture due to the resolution being too low, but it almost looks like a NDSM.

Quote from: Panache on April 08, 2014, 04:06:57 AM

Quote from: CyBorg on April 07, 2014, 07:22:15 PM
Question: What is the single ribbon he is wearing?

Can't quite tell in that picture due to the resolution being too low, but it almost looks like a NDSM.

When did that uniform go away? The NDSM dates from 1953 onward.

Quote from: SarDragon on April 08, 2014, 04:25:53 AM

Quote from: Panache on April 08, 2014, 04:06:57 AM

Quote from: CyBorg on April 07, 2014, 07:22:15 PM
Question: What is the single ribbon he is wearing?

Can't quite tell in that picture due to the resolution being too low, but it almost looks like a NDSM.

When did that uniform go away? The NDSM dates from 1953 onward.

Looking at it from a color perspective, I almost think it could be a Missing Aircraft Ribbon, which has a burgundy hue to it similar to the look of the ribbon in question. However, according to Civil Air Patrol Uniform Insignia Since 1941 (2009), that ribbon was created in 1954 (after the NDSM, incidentally). According to the same work, the US Army uniform was authorized until 1956.

It is a red service ribbon.  You can see it better with this picture:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=240124886148747&set=pb.240101826151053.-2207520000.1396934148.&type=3&theater