Are there any CAP written standards for how tall a "combat boot" must be?
CAPM 39-1 from 26 JUNE 2014 does not say anything about how tall. I have cadets that are using 4 or 5 inch boots with the BDU. I though the requirement was 8 inches, but I can not find a cite for that.
"6.4.3.
Footwear (males/females) Combat boots. Will be worn with the BDU, or the flight duty uniform. Black, with or without safety toe, plain rounded toe or rounded capped toe with or without perforated seam. Zipper or elastic inserts optional, mesh inserts (for "jungle boot" style) are optional; smooth or scotch-grained leather or man-made material, and may have a high gloss or patent finish."
There's never been a prescription.
A "combat boot" is higher then a traditional civilian hiking shoe to provide more ankle support and lower leg protection
as well as allow for blousing of the trousers.
8-10 inches would be the typical height, depending on their size and style. As one of 500 examples...
Yes:
(http://i.walmartimages.com/i/mp/00/02/41/41/04/0002414104023_P646672_300X300.jpg)
No:
(http://i.walmartimages.com/i/mp/I5/8N/Kc/LB/41/I58NKcLB41279_P663534_300X300.jpg)
However the second pair would be fine with the CFU as blousing is not required (nor are boots for that matter).
Sorry.......wait for it...... Cite please.
Both of those boots are fine.
In the end ask your local leadership.
Quote from: lordmonar on October 23, 2014, 03:34:37 PM
Sorry.......wait for it...... Cite please.
Find one place, anywhere, that refers to the second pair as "combat boots".
I'm still trying to fgure out what color "booand" black is...
CAPM 39-1, Page 72:
5.2.1.7. Footwear. Socks black shoes or booand black combat boots are mandatory with this uniform.
BITD (A Tuesday) everything had a military standard # (design, spec, etc) and you weren't supposed to wear items that weren't spec. Prevents any old JC Penny blue trousers and the like.
Today? Tons of stuff coming from overseas? Yeah nobody pays that any mind.
Heh - "fun" were the members in my AOR who bought BDU shirts with epaulets and Arabic labels from a local surplus store.
Quote from: Eclipse on October 23, 2014, 04:11:46 PM
Quote from: lordmonar on October 23, 2014, 03:34:37 PM
Sorry.......wait for it...... Cite please.
Find one place, anywhere, that refers to the second pair as "combat boots".
I'm still trying to fgure out what color "booand" black is...
CAPM 39-1, Page 72:
5.2.1.7. Footwear. Socks black shoes or booand black combat boots are mandatory with this uniform.
For a moment I thought it was some kind of mathematical or computer term, like Boolean. Maybe it was a backhanded Halloween reference? Like Booberry?
...sigh. I'll go back to lurking.
Quote from: Eclipse on October 23, 2014, 04:24:03 PM
Heh - "fun" were the members in my AOR who bought BDU shirts with epaulets and Arabic labels from a local surplus store.
Hey, BITD the green pickle-suit fatigues were "OG-107 Fatigues" (these are the perm-press breast pocket only tuck in shirts, like Bill Murray wore in Stripes circa 1980.
(http://brooklynbased.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/stripes1.jpg)
These were _ALSO_ "OG-107 fatigues":
(http://www.quanonline.com/military/military_reference/american/vietnam_uniforms/pics/vietnam4_uniform_.jpg)
Guardhouse lawyering... BEGIN!
Quote from: lordmonar on October 23, 2014, 03:34:37 PM
Sorry.......wait for it...... Cite please.
Both of those boots are fine.
In the end ask your local leadership.
Isn't this just
another symptom of the "wear anything you want" disease that seems have infected CAP's uniform/multiform disorder? :-\
I had no idea I could wear ankle height black tennis shoes with BDUs
Quote from: Flying Pig on October 24, 2014, 02:52:39 PM
I had no idea I could wear ankle height black tennis shoes with BDUs
Awesome, right? Nothing says "hardkewl" more then dress shoes with the CFU.
Way back in the day (pre 1980), the Air Force and maybe the other services had "Chucka" boots. Basically combat boots that only went up to your ankle.
I was issued a pair at BMT at Lackland in 1974 and wore them only at Basic because I had to.
You didn't blouse your trousers when you wore these and the only people I remember wearing them was a few of the office types who worked in Maintenance Supervision.
They went away when the Air Force went to the BDU.
(http://assets.cat5.com/images/catalog/products/2/9/0/9/1/0-650-nike-6-sfb-field-sage.jpg)
http://tacticalgear.com/nike-6-sfb-field-sage (http://tacticalgear.com/nike-6-sfb-field-sage)
And this 6 inches boot was released by Nike not too long ago.
Very nice - not authorized for any CAP uniform and the word "combat" does not appear anywhere on that page.
Look comfortable, though.
Quote from: Eclipse on October 24, 2014, 05:23:15 PM
Very nice - not authorized for any CAP uniform and the word "combat" does not appear anywhere on that page.
Look comfortable, though.
And you are correct, it is not a combat boot and it is not for CAP.
I was simply tagging along the "Chucka" boot comment for previous USAF wear. Should have made it clearer.
There are many acceptable boots that don't say "combat" on the tag, yet comply with CAPM 39-1. That said, the boots on the picture above, besides being sage green, seem like a stretch to me. I don't think blousing the BDU pants that low looks "military" enough. YMMV.
Quote from: PHall on October 24, 2014, 03:34:26 PM
Way back in the day (pre 1980), the Air Force and maybe the other services had "Chucka" boots. Basically combat boots that only went up to your ankle.
I was issued a pair at BMT at Lackland in 1974 and wore them only at Basic because I had to.
You didn't blouse your trousers when you wore these and the only people I remember wearing them was a few of the office types who worked in Maintenance Supervision.
They went away when the Air Force went to the BDU.
Oh, heavens, I remember those things.
More than a low-quarter, less than a combat boot ... the Chukka Boot!!!
Oy.
Jack
I thought they were called "chuckka boots" because the first thing we did upon leaving boot camp was chuck them in a dumpster... My feet hurt just thinking about them.
Quote from: Storm Chaser on October 24, 2014, 05:59:12 PM
I don't think blousing the BDU pants that low looks "military" enough. YMMV.
The Army began issuing these boots (link below) since 2009 for Soldiers deploying to Afghanistan. With the ditching of the ACUs, they are looking at also going with these types of boots as standard issue. The Army is beginning to realize that the science does not match the opinion on boots. For one, no study has shown that a "high ankle" support decreases your chances of ankle injury. This has been a long held opinion with almost no evidence to back it up. In addition, it is believed that for every 1 pound on your foot "equals" five pounds on your back. Meaning, that the heavier your feet are, the more energy it takes and the less distance you travel.
http://usarmy.vo.llnwd.net/e2/-images/2010/03/02/65712/size0-army.mil-65712-2010-03-03-090309.jpg (http://usarmy.vo.llnwd.net/e2/-images/2010/03/02/65712/size0-army.mil-65712-2010-03-03-090309.jpg)
Here are my favorite boots:
(http://assets.cat5.com/images/catalog/products/1/9/5/4/0-650-bates-8-tactical-sport-black.jpg)
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/81gEUwmwh0L._SX355_.jpg)
(http://www.galls.com/photos/styles/FW352_500_1.JPG)
Here are my least favorite boots:
(http://image.made-in-china.com/4f0j00jesEzvOJZauT/Jungle-Boot.jpg)
I wonder what these boots would look like with the G/W, considering that the wearers (East German troops) are already wearing virtually the same colours:
(http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n30/bboyswedge/Ryans%20Stuff/PICT0239.jpg)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-zpu3W3RFqFA/UAJXcSIksoI/AAAAAAAABNY/UnQDy4mLEG4/s1600/Off.jpg)
FYI...the propaganda banner can be roughly translated as "the fighting groups of the working class stand on guard for peace and socialism..." seems almost quaint today.
Wear em' all you want. But they have to be worn inside the pants leg...
Quote from: Storm Chaser on October 24, 2014, 05:59:12 PM
There are many acceptable boots that don't say "combat" on the tag, yet comply with CAPM 39-1. That said, the boots on the picture above, besides being sage green, seem like a stretch to me. I don't think blousing the BDU pants that low looks "military" enough. YMMV.
I'll tell all the guys who are wear that same boot here at Cannon AFB that Storm chaser does not think they look military enough.
Quote from: ColonelJack on October 24, 2014, 06:02:07 PM
Quote from: PHall on October 24, 2014, 03:34:26 PM
Way back in the day (pre 1980), the Air Force and maybe the other services had "Chucka" boots. Basically combat boots that only went up to your ankle.
I was issued a pair at BMT at Lackland in 1974 and wore them only at Basic because I had to.
You didn't blouse your trousers when you wore these and the only people I remember wearing them was a few of the office types who worked in Maintenance Supervision.
They went away when the Air Force went to the BDU.
Oh, heavens, I remember those things.
More than a low-quarter, less than a combat boot ... the Chukka Boot!!!
Oy.
Jack
I used to wear them back when I wore pickel suits....along with my MA-1 jacket.
IIRC they were consider organizational clothing and only certain AFSCs could wear them. Comm maintenance was one of them.
Quote from: lordmonar on October 25, 2014, 12:14:37 AM
Quote from: Storm Chaser on October 24, 2014, 05:59:12 PM
There are many acceptable boots that don't say "combat" on the tag, yet comply with CAPM 39-1. That said, the boots on the picture above, besides being sage green, seem like a stretch to me. I don't think blousing the BDU pants that low looks "military" enough. YMMV.
I'll tell all the guys who are wear that same boot here at Cannon AFB that Storm chaser does not think they look military enough.
First of all, I was expressing an opinion, hence the "YMMV"; I never said they weren't authorized. Second, I doubt these are as prevalent as you suggest, as I go TDY to many bases quite often and I can't say I've seen that many folks (if any) wearing boots that are just slightly above the ankles. And yes, I've been to Cannon AFB. Cheers!
Cannon AFB the armpit of the USAF.
Quote from: abdsp51 on October 25, 2014, 05:39:08 AM
Cannon AFB the armpit of the USAF.
No...that would be Altus....Cannon is not quite that nice. :)
Just for grins, I googled "Combat Boots"
I guess *my* definition of "combat boot" and google's differ's just a bit.
That's because of previous...ahem..."searches"...
Quote from: Eclipse on October 25, 2014, 01:41:39 PM
That's because of previous...ahem..."searches"...
I guess "fashion" outweighs function...
time to get some new field boots.
Quote from: lordmonar on October 25, 2014, 05:57:11 AM
Quote from: abdsp51 on October 25, 2014, 05:39:08 AM
Cannon AFB the armpit of the USAF.
No...that would be Altus....Cannon is not quite that nice. :)
+1 on Altus! It's not the end of the world, but you can see it from there!
Quote from: Eclipse on October 25, 2014, 01:41:39 PM
That's because of previous...ahem..."searches"...
I found it by accident and I was only on that site for 5, maybe 10 sec...minutes. :-X
Quote from: PHall on October 24, 2014, 03:34:26 PM
Way back in the day (pre 1980), the Air Force and maybe the other services had "Chucka" boots. Basically combat boots that only went up to your ankle.
I was issued a pair at BMT at Lackland in 1974 and wore them only at Basic because I had to.
You didn't blouse your trousers when you wore these and the only people I remember wearing them was a few of the office types who worked in Maintenance Supervision.
They went away when the Air Force went to the BDU.
The Marines had chukka shoes that you could wear with your class "A", "B" or "C" if you were a Staff Sergeant (E-6) or higher. 8)
Quote from: NIN on October 23, 2014, 07:08:30 PM
Hey, BITD the green pickle-suit fatigues were "OG-107 Fatigues" (these are the perm-press breast pocket only tuck in shirts, like Bill Murray wore in Stripes circa 1980.
(http://brooklynbased.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/stripes1.jpg)
1980 good times indeed. :clap:
Quote from: Private Investigator on October 26, 2014, 01:42:15 AM
Quote from: NIN on October 23, 2014, 07:08:30 PM
Hey, BITD the green pickle-suit fatigues were "OG-107 Fatigues" (these are the perm-press breast pocket only tuck in shirts, like Bill Murray wore in Stripes circa 1980.
(http://brooklynbased.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/stripes1.jpg)
1980 good times indeed. :clap:
Willing to experiment? Watching that movie as a 2000s teen was eye opening.
I got these on clearance from Vanguard last week, are they really regulation and how do I blouse them?
(http://designershoesforwomens.com/wp-content/uploads/vtg-80s-otk-black-leather-corset-spike-heel-boots-studded-7-cuff-thigh-high-slouch-stiletto-pirate_3.jpg)
Quote from: Johnny Yuma on October 27, 2014, 01:19:05 AM
I got these on clearance from Vanguard last week, are they really regulation and how do I blouse them?
(http://designershoesforwomens.com/wp-content/uploads/vtg-80s-otk-black-leather-corset-spike-heel-boots-studded-7-cuff-thigh-high-slouch-stiletto-pirate_3.jpg)
SMH....