MWR services (regarding CAP members)

[supertigerCH]

What is the policy... on Civil Air Patrol members access to military MWR?


Let's leave aside access to the BX (which has been discussed plenty in other threads)... and just focus my question on other types of MWR services.  I know Coast Guard Auxiliary has pretty good access worked out for their members.  What is the situation on this for members of CAP?



(or is there one, single policy on this at all?)

[abdsp51]

Not permitted unless the installation commander authorizes it.  And when it is authorized CAP is to be given preference over other youth organizations.

[PHall]

There is no "single" policy. The Base Commanders are the one's who call the shots on this.

[RiverAux]

Any AFI citation specific to this situation that could be used to show that CAP members can be authorized?

[abdsp51]

10-2701 I believe however it will always come down to what the Wing CC wants to do. 

[DoubleSecret]

What is the policy... on Civil Air Patrol members access to military MWR?


Let's leave aside access to the BX (which has been discussed plenty in other threads)... and just focus my question on other types of MWR services.  I know Coast Guard Auxiliary has pretty good access worked out for their members.  What is the situation on this for members of CAP?



(or is there one, single policy on this at all?)

They seem to be pretty good about listing eligible categories in AFI 34-101.  I don't see CAP listed in there.

http://static.e-publishing.af.mil/production/1/af_a1/publication/afi34-101/afi34-101.pdf

[RiverAux]

abd was right in that MWR programs are addressed in 10-2701 though it could be read to primarily deal with services to CAP units hosted on the base or people there for for short term activities such as encampments.  I'm not surprised that there is a conflict with another regulation.

[SarDragon]

Here's the link for 10-2701.

Since most MWR facilities are required to be self-supporting now, the more paying customers there are, within reason, the happier the operators are. Some Navy bases I've been on have even let the GS/WG/[other silly servant alphabet soup] government employees use the hobby shop, and similar facilities.

[PHall]

Just about every Air Force MWR I've dealt with would have no problem in serving anyone who can get on the base.
Like Dave said, they have to be self supporting these days and they have no problems taking our money.
But, if the Base Commander says no, then it ain't happening.

[supertigerCH]

hmm... okay.  thanks everyone.  again, the answer for CAP is just a bit more complex that the CGaux's  single over-arching policy... but I guess that's the nature of the beast, and to be expected.

thanks.

[MSG Mac]

I believe that with CAP now officially considered a real entity within the AF, we'll see more access to AF bases and facilities.

[supertigerCH]

maybe I've been out of the loop for a while.

CAP becoming a real entity within the Air Force?  is this in a way that I haven't heard about yet?


what's this referring to exactly?  thanks.

[Luis R. Ramos]

It looks like...

You missed Gen Vazquez comments on Gen Welsh III, Chief of Staff, USAF stating that CAP members are Airmen just like USAF, AF Reserve, and Air National Guard?

See Gen Vazquez comments here, https://www.facebook.com/capnhq and CAPTALK's thread on the same topic here, http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=20242.0

[supertigerCH]

Yes... unfortunately I missed it. 

Summer has me away and unconnected... and thus out of the loop.  At least this only happened in the last several days.  I was wondering if I missed something important, that happened months ago.

Thanks for the link!  I'm up to speed now!!

[PA Guy]

hmm... okay.  thanks everyone.  again, the answer for CAP is just a bit more complex that the CGaux's  single over-arching policy... but I guess that's the nature of the beast, and to be expected.

thanks.

Please be aware that CG Aux MWR/Lodging use is limited to Coast Guard MWR/Lodging only. No DOD access.

[goblin]

It looks like...

You missed Gen Vazquez comments on Gen Welsh III, Chief of Staff, USAF stating that CAP members are Airmen just like USAF, AF Reserve, and Air National Guard?

See Gen Vazquez comments here, https://www.facebook.com/capnhq and CAPTALK's thread on the same topic here, http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=20242.0

"Just like" is a bit of a stretch.

[abdsp51]

Being rdcognized as part of the total force has not changed anything so far for thenorg.  So don't go rushing to the local base just yet

[TheTravelingAirman]

I would like to point out something right off our AF News site, first line of the article.

"When conducting missions for the Air Force as the official Air Force auxiliary, the Civil Air Patrol is now included in the Air Force's definition of the total force"

http://www.af.mil/News/ArticleDisplay/tabid/223/Article/615251/civil-air-patrol-joins-total-force-airmen.aspx

So, what they're saying, is when we are the Air Force Auxiliary because we are on an Air Force Assigned Mission, we are part of the Total Force. Outside of that, we remain the CAP we were on 1 August.

So, when the CAP is flying/doing ground ops for the AF, then Airmen applies, otherwise, business as usual. You know, being ignored for the most part. Getting confused looks from the gate guards.

[RiverAux]

CAP is always doing an Air Force mission.  Individual CAP members may or may not be on an AF-assigned mission, but the organization always has open AFAMs. 

[TheTravelingAirman]

Then I believe that in the spirit of the press release, those members may take the title "Airman", since they are executing AFAMs, whereas the rest of us are just getting ready to.

However, we are fortunate in that half the squadron is active, retired, or dependent thereof, so base and facility access isn't much of an issue. They'll just get escorted on by one of the authorized members. No one really goes after the MWR here though. Our nearest MWR facility of major interest (outside of maybe equipment rental) is about 45 minutes away from the base.