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 on: Today at 10:51:56 AM 
Started by Hawk200 - Last post by Hawk200
5.Plastic rank is not low maintenance. If there is an issue with using the same subdued flightsuit rank the Air Force uses, there's bright color on sage available.

8. CAP needs this. There probably could have been one if it hadn't been backdoored the way it was in the past. But, it was at least uniform.

9. Maybe create an ES badge, ditch the patch.

10. Incident Commander isn't the only ICS specialty there is. Wouldn't hurt to be able to identify people by looking at the uniform.

12. Thought of this before. Either eliminate pocket badges, or implement a system that places certain quals in strategic places on the uniform (yeah, make it standardized.) Maybe go with ES/ICS/SAR certifications on pockets, occupational concept badges worn above the tapes (or the pocket/ribbons on service uniforms.) Standardize that on all uniforms. If it's something that would only really be necessary to display on utilities, place it on the left sleeve. (Or maybe go with ES/ICS/SAR certifications on one particular pocket, put occupational type badges on the other, left breast would be categorized for something else. )

13. Would propose developing a new ribbon/award rather than re-designating any existing ones. Could create some confusion with different applications of the same ribbons.

15. Got a lot now, with no particular logic to how they're currently arranged.

19. I've been for this before, even proposing elimination of rank insignia on the flightsuits, it's already on the nameplate anyway. The sage bag could almost be considered universal these days, because of that they're pretty inexpensive.  Allowing everyone to wear it the same way would uniform.

20. If we can't get rid of the blue suit, then at least allow those wearing it the option of a cheaper, more readily available jacket. (I'd advocate allowing the the wear of the same insignia as well, for uniformity purposes.)

23. Black seems to be pretty readily available, and this would give those in corporate utilities the same option for protection from the weather that those in military variant uniforms have.

25. Yeah. May not end up wearing ABUs, but those black boots are hideous with it. Still wonder why the Air Force had to come up with a different color.

 on: Today at 10:29:25 AM 
Started by Hawk200 - Last post by etodd
Pass that list onto a uniform committee .... and 10 years later .....

 on: Today at 10:02:53 AM 
Started by jb512 - Last post by kcebnaes
Well, three of them are in Group as it is!

 on: Today at 09:52:30 AM 
Started by Hawk200 - Last post by Hawk200
The list started here: What would you like to see done for Civil Air Patrol uniforms?

I think I got everything, although I may have missed something. However, with no further ado, here it is:

1. Elimination of all USAF style uniforms for seniors.
2. Adoption of USAF uniform by cadets within two years of USAF change.
3. Allow ALL senior members the option of wearing the USAF style uniforms.
4. Authorize wear of OCP uniform upon phaseout of Woodland camouflage BDU.
5. Wear cloth rank insignia on the flight suit.
6. Cadet shoulder boards: Eliminate pointed tip and button, soft board design.
7. Authorize a CAP Military Service Award for wear on corporate uniforms, or in lieu of military awards/decorations on USAF uniforms. (Potentially, develop attachments for branch specific identifiers.)
8. Design an actual corporate service uniform.
9. Replace GTM badges with Ground Forces badge or expand to cover more than just SAR based ground teams.
10. Develop Incident staff badge.
11. Authorize the “Stonewall Utility Uniform.” (Green TRU. Sorry, wasn’t sure what to call it.)
12. Eliminate pocket badges for special tracks/qualifications. Develop breast badges similar to Air Force occupational badge designs to be worn above branch tape/ribbons.
13. Merge Professional Development Program and Aerospace Education Award Ribbons/Medals into a single award.
14. Authorize wear of miniature ribbons on service uniforms.
15.  Minimize number of patches on utility uniforms.
16. Allow wear of earned military awards on corporate uniforms, in the same manner as AF-style uniforms.
17. Eliminate the "minimum basic uniform" requirement, and allow members to obtain a uniform appropriate to their job functions.
18. Develop a field uniform with high visibility markings.
19. Allow the sage green flightsuit for all members. (Eliminate blue flightsuit.)
20. Allow wear of sage green flight jackets with blue flightsuits, eliminate blue flight jackets.
21. Design a single dress uniform for all members.
22. Design a formal headgear for wear with aviator uniforms.
23. For corporate uniforms that currently allow the Black Fleece, allow wear of commercially available black ECWCS parka with the same rank tabs allowed for ECWCS/APECS parkas.
24. Allow affixing name/branch tapes with Velcro.
25. Allow tan or Air Force green boots with ACU. Replace black boots.
26. Allow wear of any badges/insignia authorized on Air Force uniforms on Civil Air Patrol uniforms.

Added some things based on stuff from other threads, even if they weren't specifically mentioned here.

And, discuss.

 on: Today at 07:52:08 AM 
Started by Hawk200 - Last post by ColonelJack
Plenty of good information, thank you to all that posted.

I might pursue the CISM training, and I'm also thinking on doing the resiliency training for the Army. I think  both would be useful additions to the toolbox.

I'm hoping that I would never need to use the training, but if I need to I'll have it.

A very wise man (my father, in fact) once told me:  "It's better to have it, and not need it; than to need it, and not have it."

Words to live by.


 on: Today at 03:35:22 AM 
Started by FNelson - Last post by SarDragon
Since this appears to have run its course, it's over.

 on: Today at 01:09:42 AM 
Started by FNelson - Last post by lordmonar
First step.   Find a senior member in your unit to head this up.   As a High Adventure Activities (HAA) there are a lot of hoops to jump thru and fankly this is way out of the your lane as a C/CMSgt.

Second Step.  Check the 60-1 on HAA and with your wing on local procedures.

Okay to answer some of your questions.

- If the goal is to get the marksmanship award you have to go through the NRA.....as it is their award.   The facilities, instructor, ect all must be approved by the wing commander.
-  You will have to check with the NRA to see what weapons qualify for their award.  And again you would have to get wing approval for any firearms use.
- You would have to check with your wing on how they want the HAA to be documented and approved.
- The badges are controlled by the NRA you would have to check with them.....but as far as I know (its been a few years since I checked into this) basically you earn the badges by scoring high enough on the course of fire for a particular weapon.   
- 39-1 is your friend.

 on: Yesterday at 11:57:38 PM 
Started by FNelson - Last post by FNelson
I did, I was assigned to Papa Flight and was able to graduate.

 on: Yesterday at 11:56:17 PM 
Started by FNelson - Last post by FNelson
Myself and a few other cadets are planning an activity for our wing to be held this winter which will be focused on ES training. Right now we are in the process of putting together lesson plans and agendas for the course while also cumming up with the framework of some different activities that we think might be fun and interesting. While the focus of the activity is on ES training (W/ teambuilding also being a big part) I think it would be good to have a few non-ES activities to change things up and keep it interesting and fun. One activity that I thought of would be to have a marksmanship course that would give the cadets the opportunity to earn their NRA marksmanship medals.

I have seen cadets from other wings wearing them, but I have never seen a cadet from my wing (New Mexico Wing) wearing one. I have several questions that I would like to have answered before I officially present my idea.

> Who would be best to contact to make sure that we have the proper facilities, equipment, and personnel for the activity?
> Can the qualification be done with Air Rifles or BB Guns?
       > If not, is it possible to get approval for firearms to be used. And if so, what is the process I would need to follow?
> Are their special forms/authorizations that need to be completed by the activity staff and/or the cadet students?
> What are the requirements for each of the different badges?
> How to properly wear the badges on the dress blues (not necessary knowledge for my proposal, but good to know for future reference)

If you can answer any of my questions I would be very thankful. Any other information is greatly appreciated.

 on: Yesterday at 11:28:40 PM 
Started by Hawk200 - Last post by SCoonts
It's not a CAP term (at least it doesn't exist in any of our documentation), so you may want to consider using CAP terminology when speaking to a CAP audience.

I like using "cover", thanks.

Maybe I misunderstood you, I thought you were suggesting you simply wanted to wear the flight cap currently worn with the USAF-style uniform with the aviator shirt uniform. That we can't do, but I suppose in theory a flight cap of a different color with different markings would be allowed.

Yes, you misunderstood.  I was talking about the style, not the same item.  It would be nice if that type of cover were allowed as part of the aviator shirt uniform.

Just for completeness, headgear is authorized for the aviator shirt uniform

Yes, I'm aware of what 39-1 says in regard to headgear with the aviator shirt uniform.  A ball cap looks crappy and unprofessional with a dressier uniform.  Everyone wears ball caps today.  Wearing a flight cap would set us apart and have a dressier, more professional look.

Senior members can't wear flight caps? When did that happen?

There's no flight cap available for senior members unless you are wearing the USAF uniform.

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