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SarDragon
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« Reply #40 on: August 02, 2016, 11:34:51 PM »

Fact or myth?

CAP is always the U.S. Air Force Auxiliary.

Both - depends on the context.
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« Reply #41 on: August 08, 2016, 09:40:36 AM »

Last week we were in blues.

Someone barked at someone else about how fast they were moving and said "Double time it!"

The cadet turned around and said "But .. sir, we're not supposed to run in blues."

I whipped out my electronic AFI 36-2203 right to figure 3.10.



"What uniform is this guy wearing?"

"Uh, blues, sir."

"There you go."

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« Reply #42 on: August 08, 2016, 10:04:40 AM »

I guess this myth originated from the Blues being the "best" uniform a cadet may have, so it does not get soiled...
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« Reply #43 on: August 08, 2016, 10:07:07 AM »

I guess this myth originated from the Blues being the "best" uniform a cadet may have, so it does not get soiled...

How does it get soiled by moving at the double?

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« Reply #44 on: August 08, 2016, 10:16:35 AM »

I guess this myth originated from the Blues being the "best" uniform a cadet may have, so it does not get soiled...

How does it get soiled by moving at the double?

Sweat
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« Reply #45 on: August 08, 2016, 10:42:31 AM »

I guess this myth originated from the Blues being the "best" uniform a cadet may have, so it does not get soiled...

How does it get soiled by moving at the double?

Sweat


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« Reply #46 on: August 08, 2016, 10:42:43 AM »

I guess this myth originated from the Blues being the "best" uniform a cadet may have, so it does not get soiled...

How does it get soiled by moving at the double?

Sweat

Sweat not authorized in blues; if it were, there'd be a subparagraph covering it.

Look at NIN's graphic: not a bead of sweat on him. Why, that guy is cool as a cucumber and twice as slick. He doesn't even need shoe laces.

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Modified: if you are a running USAF officer, it helps to be bionic to not sweat:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGO57y4td-c


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« Reply #47 on: August 08, 2016, 12:49:58 PM »

Sweat

Officers don't sweat. The perspire silently.
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« Reply #48 on: February 09, 2017, 11:15:34 PM »

Third person form of address was actually worse then the example (which wasn't third person)

That was Joseph Parilla, Lt Col, CAP and Col, U. S. Army (Ret).

He was a character. Hr was truly "Old Army," as in pre-WWII. Besides the third person thing, he also taught army style D&C, and had an incredible disdain for Jodie's - "I was there when Private Willie Duckworth invented that. I wasn't impressed then, I'm not impressed now." I got to like the guy. I wish I knew more about him. I know that he received the Silver Beaver Award from BSA and the local Little League in his town named an award after him.

He was a major in CAP when I met him. I looked him up in some Army manuals we at at UC Riverside and I can tell you he retired from the Army in 1948 with a AUS (Army of the United States) commission. I think he was a captain for many years between the world wars and once said he had been a judge at what may have been named the "Drill Competition of the United States" sometime before WWII. I was curious what he had done during WWI but never asked him. One thing I did learn from him was how to do a face in marching which wasn't explained very well in the drill and ceremonies book we had then.

I'm sorry to post with no connection to the CAP, but Col. Joseph Parilla was my great-grandfather.  I just love that I Googled his name (as I do from time to time) and that people still remember and talk about him. 

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« Reply #49 on: February 10, 2017, 02:08:05 AM »

Wait, that's a thing???

why did they not go through with it tho

I resume that you are referring to my earlier post "A well-established fable is that CAP cadets were considered for the teenage resistance group in the original "Red Dawn"."

It makes no sense that a CAP cadet unit would have been considered. Maybe you've heard the claim that "CAP is America's best kept secret". I don't know if it's the "best" but the existence of the CAP is not well known among the general American public. For a film to use CAP cadets, there would have to be a whole pointless backstory explaining what they are. No filmmaker would bother with that.

So, very reasonably, a football team was the nucleus of the "Wolverines", which was their school mascot.

CAP was also considered for Iron Eagle
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« Reply #50 on: February 10, 2017, 02:35:53 AM »

Third person form of address was actually worse then the example (which wasn't third person)

That was Joseph Parilla, Lt Col, CAP and Col, U. S. Army (Ret).

He was a character. Hr was truly "Old Army," as in pre-WWII. Besides the third person thing, he also taught army style D&C, and had an incredible disdain for Jodie's - "I was there when Private Willie Duckworth invented that. I wasn't impressed then, I'm not impressed now." I got to like the guy. I wish I knew more about him. I know that he received the Silver Beaver Award from BSA and the local Little League in his town named an award after him.

He was a major in CAP when I met him. I looked him up in some Army manuals we at at UC Riverside and I can tell you he retired from the Army in 1948 with a AUS (Army of the United States) commission. I think he was a captain for many years between the world wars and once said he had been a judge at what may have been named the "Drill Competition of the United States" sometime before WWII. I was curious what he had done during WWI but never asked him. One thing I did learn from him was how to do a face in marching which wasn't explained very well in the drill and ceremonies book we had then.

I'm sorry to post with no connection to the CAP, but Col. Joseph Parilla was my great-grandfather.  I just love that I Googled his name (as I do from time to time) and that people still remember and talk about him. 

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Great to hear from a family member of Colonel Joe! He was my living link with history.
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« Reply #51 on: February 10, 2017, 09:53:18 PM »

He was drafted in WWI. He retired as a full Bird Colnel.  He had a 5th grade  education (when it came time to produce high school records for promotion  he mentioned an old hs in Youngstown Ohio that had burned down and that was that) and he went through the ranks.  I have a diary from his time in WWI.   He was in England  I believe  most of the time.  He injured his leg on the ship  on the way over, or just before he left,  and was held back for treatment.   He never did get to meet up with his unit (?).  Not much talk in the diary about the war, mostly about a motorcycle he obtained and the dances he  attended  with this girl or that.
In 1925 he wad commissioned a Captain with Compnay H 145th  and in 1939 designed truck & trailer equipment at Camp Perry. He was assigned to Camp Shelby in 1940 and helped build it into a major infantry  installation  during WWII.  In 41 he was transferred to the 73rd Infantry Brigade of the ONG and placed in command of it's headquarters. Later that year he retiref from active duty under a new age resolution at the War Dept.  & was placed on the reserves list. The following April he was recalled to the transportation division and ordered to report to thw War dept. In Washington  & was promoted to lt. Col. 
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bh125
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« Reply #52 on: February 11, 2017, 10:28:34 PM »

Myth: you have to join the Air Force if you join cap/ cap is the Air Force
Many a time I'm at a recruiting booth or some sort and people come up to us and give the "thank you for your service" or "oh cool Air Force kids". One time I was talking to someone, and after telling her we were cap, she said "oh so rotc?" also I have talked to some new cadets who don't want to join because they "don't want to join the Air Force"
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« Reply #53 on: February 13, 2017, 11:31:12 AM »

Myth: you have to join the Air Force if you join cap/ cap is the Air Force
Many a time I'm at a recruiting booth or some sort and people come up to us and give the "thank you for your service" or "oh cool Air Force kids". One time I was talking to someone, and after telling her we were cap, she said "oh so rotc?" also I have talked to some new cadets who don't want to join because they "don't want to join the Air Force"

That is more of an issue with recruiting/brand awareness instead of a myth that is believed within CAP. That is certainly something that needs to be made clear when pitching CAP to a potential recruit. I am quite honestly impressed that people even recognize that you are wearing an AF uniform, most people seem to assume a uniform=Army. But whenever someone assumes you are part of the USAF, you have already broken the ice and have a chance to talk to them about what we really do.
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« Reply #54 on: February 14, 2017, 03:46:00 AM »

New suggestion:

D&C myths and legends are always fun, and are useful to cover when coupled with the admonition to go back to the USAF Instruction for the real truth data on how to drill. Examples that keep popping up of myths and bad habits coming from sacred tradition but not any approved manual or reg:

- The fall out "twirl" on dismissal.
- The hallway passing brace to attention and "BY YOUR LEAVE SIR/MA'AM".
- The Third Person Form of Address "THISCADETDOESNOTKNOWBUTWILLFINDOUTSIR".
- The no hands in pockets in uniform sin.
and so forth.

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« Reply #55 on: February 14, 2017, 07:57:31 AM »

I guess this myth originated from the Blues being the "best" uniform a cadet may have, so it does not get soiled...

How does it get soiled by moving at the double?

Sweat

"If Uncle Sam wanted you to sweat, he's issue it to you!"

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« Reply #56 on: February 14, 2017, 09:55:01 AM »

Myth: you have to join the Air Force if you join cap/ cap is the Air Force
Many a time I'm at a recruiting booth or some sort and people come up to us and give the "thank you for your service" or "oh cool Air Force kids". One time I was talking to someone, and after telling her we were cap, she said "oh so rotc?" also I have talked to some new cadets who don't want to join because they "don't want to join the Air Force"

beats the old (real old) days when the Ike Jacket was in and folks would mistake the USAF/CAP Uniform for that of a bus driver.
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« Reply #57 on: February 14, 2017, 11:57:37 AM »

I guess this myth originated from the Blues being the "best" uniform a cadet may have, so it does not get soiled...

How does it get soiled by moving at the double?

Sweat



"If Uncle Sam wanted you to sweat, he's issue it to you!"

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« Reply #58 on: February 17, 2017, 07:55:41 AM »

He was drafted in WWI. He retired as a full Bird Colnel.  He had a 5th grade  education (when it came time to produce high school records for promotion  he mentioned an old hs in Youngstown Ohio that had burned down and that was that) and he went through the ranks.  I have a diary from his time in WWI.   He was in England  I believe  most of the time.  He injured his leg on the ship  on the way over, or just before he left,  and was held back for treatment.   He never did get to meet up with his unit (?).  Not much talk in the diary about the war, mostly about a motorcycle he obtained and the dances he  attended  with this girl or that.
In 1925 he wad commissioned a Captain with Compnay H 145th  and in 1939 designed truck & trailer equipment at Camp Perry. He was assigned to Camp Shelby in 1940 and helped build it into a major infantry  installation  during WWII.  In 41 he was transferred to the 73rd Infantry Brigade of the ONG and placed in command of it's headquarters. Later that year he retiref from active duty under a new age resolution at the War Dept.  & was placed on the reserves list. The following April he was recalled to the transportation division and ordered to report to thw War dept. In Washington  & was promoted to lt. Col.

Fascinating! Thanks for that.
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