Greetings All!!
I wanted to update my fellow members on the momentum we are trying to create in the CAPHF. After taking over as the Interim Director I felt we needed to reachout to the members and show them what we are doing. It has been a slow process but we are making headway. Please look at the information below and know that we are working on things to reach our members and those who may be interested in our history.
UPDATE AS OF JULY 12TH
CAPHF Board Meeting
Ex Officio Board Members
1. National Commander CAP – MajGen Amy Courter (Chairwoman)
2. CAP Exec Director – Mr. Don Rowland
3. CAP Legal Council – Rafael Roblis
4. CAP National Historian – Col Len Blascovich
5. CAPHF Exec Director – Jim Shaw (Interim)
6. Director at Large (1) Axel Ostling, (2) Ray Lyon
7. Treasurer – Todd Engelman
8. Secretary – Kacey Smith
The Civil Air Patrol Historical Foundation Mission Statement
Derived from the CAPHF Articles of Incorporation
"To be the official repository and custodian of the history, artifacts, documents and memorabilia of Civil Air Patrol. "
The Civil Air Patrol Historical Foundation Vision Statement
"To preserve and display CAP history, artifacts, documents, equipment including aircraft and memorabilia in museums and collections created or supported by the foundation.
The Civil Air Patrol Historical Foundation Goal Statement
"To conduct a history program which would accurately display the accomplishments of the USAF Auxiliary Civil Air Patrol and its Volunteer Members.
Completed Project –
National Military History Museum (Auburn IN) Largest display of CAP artifacts available to the public. Includes 200+ items and aircraft.
Present Projects –
CAP Vintage Movie DVD
CAP Collectors Catalog CD
National WWII Museum
Future Projects -
CAP Flying Minute Men Audio Book Download
CAP Music CD Download
CAP Coastal Patrol Outreach Program
CAPHF Congressional Gold Medal Support
CAPHF 70th Anniversary Poster
CAP 70th Anniversary Celebration
Jim;
I firmly believe that with this and a couple of other new projects... we are entering a "Golden Age" of CAP History.
All the best to you and the Foundation Team.
Nothing with the United States Air Force Museum?? It is really the only Air Force Museum. All others located at Installations across the country are units of the AFM at Wright-Patterson.
Questions.....
1) Where are the majority of Historical Items kept that will be taken care of by the HF?
2) Your Board seems like that of a "for profit entity".....is it going to be?
3) This is the first time I have read about this group..... do you have bylaws and incorporation documents that the public may view?
4) Will CAP pay for the acquisition of historical items?
5) What is the "CAPHF Congressional Gold Medal Support" all about?
6) "National Military History Museum (Auburn IN) Largest display of CAP artifacts available to the public. Includes 200+ items and aircraft". I do believe a gentleman in England at a World War Two British/American Airfield has more on display than that.
Quote from: Patterson on July 24, 2010, 12:29:53 AM
Nothing with the United States Air Force Museum?? It is really the only Air Force Museum. All others located at Installations across the country are units of the AFM at Wright-Patterson.
Questions.....
1) Where are the majority of Historical Items kept that will be taken care of by the HF?
*The Historical Foundation items are stored in a secured facility.
*The CAP National Collection is partially stored with me and other items in a secured facility.
2) Your Board seems like that of a "for profit entity".....is it going to be?
*No we are a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization since 1997. Where did for profit come from?
3) This is the first time I have read about this group..... do you have bylaws and incorporation documents that the public may view?
*Yes we have bylaws and articles of incorporation originated in 1997.
4) Will CAP pay for the acquisition of historical items?
*CAP does not pay for any CAPHF items. We are seperate from CAP itself.
5) What is the "CAPHF Congressional Gold Medal Support" all about?
*We are volunterring to help CAP research those members who served during WWII to possibly be honored by Congress.
6) "National Military History Museum (Auburn IN) Largest display of CAP artifacts available to the public. Includes 200+ items and aircraft". I do believe a gentleman in England at a World War Two British/American Airfield has more on display than that.
*Not sure about that. Never seen it or heard about it. Did see a story about BG Chitwood collected some items for a museum in that area. Havent heard or seen anything else. Dont know if it is the same.
I will be visiting the AF Museum at Wright-Pat in Sept and will gladly report back if I find any CAP items there.
At Wright Pat AF Museum there is a Piper Cub in CAP colors, a 50th anniversary bench celebrating CAP, and a uniform exhibit from WW2. There is also a CAP flag and some associated organization like the Civilian Pilot Training Program, Civil Defense, and Red Cross. Within these pictures can be spotted CAP personnel and equipment. There are many items in the History Archives which are housed there. Of course, there are likely more items. However it is a large and delightfully exhausting tour of our history in the air.
http://cgi.ebay.com/WW2-SHORT-CLUTCHBACK-WINGS-CIVIL-AIR-PATROL-NOT-MARKED-/270603370399?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f0137bf9f
Well, it's historical. If authentic.. I'm sure you can tell.
Several other memorabilia on ebay, but this caught my eye.
The most appropriate item I saw, as relating to CAPTalk, was the CAP flask. 'nuff said ;)
Not really historical. And was not introduced until after World War II. In fact it wasn't that many years ago the drop wing style was replaced with the current wings. Maybe CAPHISTOTIAN can give the exact dates, I don't have the Insignia book handy.
Quote from: BillB on July 24, 2010, 11:55:03 PM
Not really historical. And was not introduced until after World War II. In fact it wasn't that many years ago the drop wing style was replaced with the current wings. Maybe CAPHISTOTIAN can give the exact dates, I don't have the Insignia book handy.
I do. It was in Jan 1977. Thirty-three years - not that many years ago? How time flies when we're having fun!
Whats going on with the massive CAP history document dump?
Quote from: RiverAux on August 19, 2010, 01:07:14 PM
Whats going on with the massive CAP history document dump?
Depends on what you are speaking of. Please elaborate.
Someone said that there was a project underway to post thousands of historical CAP documents on the web by end of July. Thought it was you.
Yes Lt Col Mark Hess is working on a website that will allow us to have this type of material available.
Captalkers;
I've been working with Mark Hess for over 14 months to get this history project website launched. His material is simply
stupefying. It is more than you can imagine or get through in several nights of rambling around. I think he plans to have it launched very soon... some computer problems have caused delays.
If you have material/pictures/documents/militaria/stories/etc. Get ready to photograph and scan them and send them to Mark. This should be a one stop CAP historical library and online museum of the first order.
Quote from: Smithsonia on August 19, 2010, 07:01:30 PM
Captalkers;
I've been working with Mark Hess for over 14 months to get this history project website launched. His material is simply
stupefying. It is more than you can imagine or get through in several nights of rambling around. I think he plans to have it launched very soon... some computer problems have caused delays.
If you have material/pictures/documents/militaria/stories/etc. Get ready to photograph and scan them and send them to Mark. This should be a one stop CAP historical library and online museum of the first order.
Please send an address I would love to send some of the material that I have developed.
^^^^^^^^
Joseph; Check your email - I've sent Mark Hess' address to you.
I am happy to announce that my tenure as Interim Director has come to an end. I have been confirmed as the permanent director.
I also wanted members to know that I received 4 more movies and clips transfered from 16MM to DVD.
I also have the books From Maine to Mexico available for $20 donation.
I will post more as information comes available.
congratulations Jim. (but you're still not a LCol)
Quote from: BillB on October 27, 2010, 11:32:21 AM
congratulations Jim. (but you're still not a LCol)
I am sending the black van to your house!!
Quote from: caphistorian on October 27, 2010, 11:22:07 AM
I am happy to announce that my tenure as Interim Director has come to an end. I have been confirmed as the permanent director.
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Congratulations Jim...you have done and will continue a fine job.
Jim: congratulations. It is always good to see a plan come together. Now, get to work.
I've recently been to the Air Force Museum at WPAFB. It's kinda depressing to see how much CAP has taken the back seat there lately. Back in the early 90's, they used to have sort of a "Wall of Fame" that used to be displayed that was nothing but busts of CAP members (or founders). It would be nice if that could be found, dusted off, and displayed again somewhere, if it hasn't already.
I spent 7 hours at the AF Museum in early Sept and saw nothing about CAP, except a uniform display of very limited extent. Of course, in 7 hours I did not see everything in the museum and I really wasn't looking for CAP stuff. My major focus was the airplanes.
Quote from: bosshawk on October 29, 2010, 05:52:19 AM
I spent 7 hours at the AF Museum in early Sept and saw nothing about CAP, except a uniform display of very limited extent. Of course, in 7 hours I did not see everything in the museum and I really wasn't looking for CAP stuff. My major focus was the airplanes.
2 CAP planes are in the rafters in the Presidential Aircraft hangar. That's all I found.
EDIT: (Except for the bench outside)
You are correct: after I made my post and went to bed, I remembered the two planes hanging from the ceiling of the Presidential Display.
Quote from: bosshawk on October 29, 2010, 04:46:10 PM
You are correct: after I made my post and went to bed, I remembered the two planes hanging from the ceiling of the Presidential Display.
You need to look a little closer. There are actually three CAP planes at the Air Force Museum: A yellow Piper Cub from the Ohio Wing, A red and white Fairchild 24 that either flew anti-sub or was stationed at Coastal Patrol Base 2 and was owned by an Air Medal winner; and an Aero Commander U-4B that was first used to fly President Eisenhower and then ended service with the Nebraska Wing.
As I remember, the Museum used to host the CAP's national hall of fame. It's too bad if that display is no longer there. There were uniforms in one end of the display for Ruth Congren, who was only a corporal in World War II but was a lieutenant colonel and finance officer for the two Indiana Wing Encampments that I attended at Chanute AFB, IL. back in the 1970s.
I'm also aware of permanent archives there containing patches from the uniform of Capt. H. Douglas Brown who was a friend of Gill Robb Wilson, an Air Mail pilot, and wartime organizer of the CAP in the Pennsylvania Wing. He actually did a tour of active service as a CAP flight instructor for the AAF. There are also pieces of the Airship Roma collected from the crash site at Langley, VA, by then AAC Cadet and later CAP Maj. Don Beatty who would later become a PA Wing Group Commander.
I'll certainly fess up to not having looked real hard for CAP stuff during my visit to the museum. As I said in another post, I was there to look at airplanes: I found it hard to worry about little, cloth airplanes when I had Buffs, B-2, B-1 and every Century Series fighter to ogle, plus an F-22 and etc, etc. My emphasis was not at all directed to what CAP stuff they had. In fact, CAP was probably as far from my mind as it could get during that trip.
Quote from: flyboy1 on October 29, 2010, 11:34:01 PM
Quote from: bosshawk on October 29, 2010, 04:46:10 PM
You are correct: after I made my post and went to bed, I remembered the two planes hanging from the ceiling of the Presidential Display.
You need to look a little closer. There are actually three CAP planes at the Air Force Museum: A yellow Piper Cub from the Ohio Wing, A red and white Fairchild 24 that either flew anti-sub or was stationed at Coastal Patrol Base 2 and was owned by an Air Medal winner; and an Aero Commander U-4B that was first used to fly President Eisenhower and then ended service with the Nebraska Wing.
As I remember, the Museum used to host the CAP's national hall of fame. It's too bad if that display is no longer there. There were uniforms in one end of the display for Ruth Congren, who was only a corporal in World War II but was a lieutenant colonel and finance officer for the two Indiana Wing Encampments that I attended at Chanute AFB, IL. back in the 1970s.
I'm also aware of permanent archives there containing patches from the uniform of Capt. H. Douglas Brown who was a friend of Gill Robb Wilson, an Air Mail pilot, and wartime organizer of the CAP in the Pennsylvania Wing. He actually did a tour of active service as a CAP flight instructor for the AAF. There are also pieces of the Airship Roma collected from the crash site at Langley, VA, by then AAC Cadet and later CAP Maj. Don Beatty who would later become a PA Wing Group Commander.
Come to think of it, I do remember seeing a few patches designed by artists from Disney (more than Pluto). I guess I missed the Aero Commander though.
I asked about the CAP display a couple of years ago and it took going through a few volunteers to even find the CAP aircraft. One of them told me that the rest is probably in the archives but wasn't sure. Maybe something the Historical Foundation could look into?
Quote from: caphornbuckle on October 30, 2010, 03:27:01 AM
Come to think of it, I do remember seeing a few patches designed by artists from Disney (more than Pluto). I guess I missed the Aero Commander though.
During the 2009 National Staff College, the gift to the lecturers was a reproduction patch of the original RKO studios, coastal patrol base patches. There were numerous ones, all with pretty neat designs.
I thought that I might be able to find some using google, but only came across this article about the history of squadron patches:
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I have seen RKO marked patches for nearly every unit that ever saw service in the Air Corps, including various flight schools, air warden/ civil air patrol units, even gunnery and navigation schools. I find it highly unlikely that RKO Radio Pictures would have planned on producing a movie so monumental it would include basic training schools and the civil air patrol.
http://www.398th.org/Images/Images_Identifications/Patches_Squadron.html
I also found this example: http://viewitem.eim.ebay.dk/WWII_USAAF_CIVIL_AIR_PATROL_DISNEY_PASCAGOULA__SQ_PATCH/120624146341/item/index.en-US.html
Lets see... regular guys in little airplanes flying out over the ocean with bombs strapped to them trying to sink enemy warships that terrorized sailors off the coast of America. Wives and girlfriends on the radio listening for their distress calls, a rescue by landing a seaplane and water-taxi back to shore, Flying patrols for forest fires caused by balloon bombs over the Northwest United States, patroling the desert for German infiltrators along the Mexican border, and rescuing young men who crashed their airplanes in training.
Sounds like an RKO movie to me.
All you have to add is the part about two dashing flyers who are in love with the same girl. One has to die, of course.
So, how about getting the Historical Foundation to advocate for a small section in the same hanger where the three planes are and setting up some other displays. I can see it now, a reproduction of the ops section of a costal patrol base. How about a ground team doing it's thing. How about an audio visual display with those old AF films about what we do? A collection of insignia and uniforms......
Quote from: flyboy1 on October 30, 2010, 02:43:51 PM
So, how about getting the Historical Foundation to advocate for a small section in the same hanger where the three planes are and setting up some other displays. I can see it now, a reproduction of the ops section of a costal patrol base. How about a ground team doing it's thing. How about an audio visual display with those old AF films about what we do? A collection of insignia and uniforms......
The hangar is primarily used for past Presidential Aircraft (Kennedy's Air Force One and others). It does have experimental aircraft on the other side. There is no room for anything more there. Besides that, the hangar is in the restricted part of the base (for now) and requires a shuttle bus to get to.
But I do like the idea of the display though. Maybe when they expand the museum in the near future, it might be something to consider then.
I would hope that NHQ thinks about donating a Cessna 172 or T-41 to the Museum. So many of the 172s are leaving our inventory now and end up in Air Force Aero Clubs.
There's a really cool book written by Walter Shiel that details the T-41 Mescalero. I didn't realize that the Air Force's adoption of the military version of the 172 started with a model specially built for the CAP and we didn't want it -- so the Air Force took it as a primary trainer.
Then the Air Force considered other uses for the 172. Can you also imagine a 172 with bomb or rocket racks and a sight for the pilot....it's all in that book.
I am happy to announce that Jill Robb Paulson (Grand Daughter of Gill Robb Wilson) has accepted my invitation to act in an advisory and spokesperson capacity with the CAP Historical Foundation. She will not be a member of the Board but will speak about the legacy of Gill Robb Wilson both CAP founder and person. She does speaking engagements centered around GRW and may also talk about CAP history.
She has joined CAP as a Chaplain and is starting on the Historian track as well.
She has a very large amount of respect for the CAP and it's history program.
We are very happy she has accepted our invitation.
That is great news! I had a nice chat with her at the San Diego NB meeting. She is a very interesting person.