Prior Service Army Infantry looking for Info on joining CAP

[manfredvonrichthofen]

Army vet here, new to CAP and soaking it up.  (i was Intel, now a bodyguard and private investigator... Im real good at soaking it up, haha).  Served in OIF III, IV (2006).  S-2 for 3-4 AASLT, 4CAB, 4ID, MND-B.

If wearing USAF style uniforms, you must adhere to AR 670-1 rules/regs as far as personal appearance goes.  Ribbons (yes), badges (if they were worn above the left breast pocket, yes), combat patches (no)

If you want to wear CAP distinctive uniforms, you can be a grizzly bear if you so choose (fat, & hairy).  Can't have anything that says "I am/was military"

here is what you need...
http://members.gocivilairpatrol.com/forms_publications__regulations/indexes_regulations_and_manuals.cfm

enjoy!

emphasis mine..... HUH?

AR 670-1 is the Army manual that includes height and weight.

AR670-1 doesn't enter into it at all. In CAP we go by a few AFMANs, but for the most part they are all CAPR and CAPM (Regs and Manuals). Nothing AR or MCR or AM or MCM come into it at all.

[FlyTiger77]

Army vet here, new to CAP and soaking it up.  (i was Intel, now a bodyguard and private investigator... Im real good at soaking it up, haha).  Served in OIF III, IV (2006).  S-2 for 3-4 AASLT, 4CAB, 4ID, MND-B.

If wearing USAF style uniforms, you must adhere to AR 670-1 rules/regs as far as personal appearance goes.  Ribbons (yes), badges (if they were worn above the left breast pocket, yes), combat patches (no)

If you want to wear CAP distinctive uniforms, you can be a grizzly bear if you so choose (fat, & hairy).  Can't have anything that says "I am/was military"

here is what you need...
http://members.gocivilairpatrol.com/forms_publications__regulations/indexes_regulations_and_manuals.cfm

enjoy!

emphasis mine..... HUH?

AR 670-1 is the Army manual that includes height and weight.

AR670-1 doesn't enter into it at all. In CAP we go by a few AFMANs, but for the most part they are all CAPR and CAPM (Regs and Manuals). Nothing AR or MCR or AM or MCM come into it at all.

Negative, Ghostrider. AR 670-1 governs the Wear and Appearance of Army Uniforms. AR 600-9 governs Height and Weight; however, I will agree that neither has anything to do with CAP.

[manfredvonrichthofen]

You got it.

[SarDragon]

Is it catching?

[Flying Pig]

Oh, and keep in mind, in order to wear the USAF uniform (Blues and BDUs) you have to maintain USAF height and weight and grooming standards.

No, to wear the USAF style uniforms he has to meet CAP height and weight standards which are about 10% higher than the USAF standard from 30 years ago and bears no resemblance to current USAF standards.

No kiddin'.  I didnt know that. I thought they mirrored the USAF. Good to know. 

[JohnKachenmeister]

Lets not confuse him.  670-1 is for the green... I mean two tone blue... suiters.  39-1 is for the red-haired stepchildren in Air Force blue.

600-9 actually allows you to be heavier than 39-1 does.

[manfredvonrichthofen]

I know, I know, necrothreading.

Since it was brought up here, what are the proper abbreviations for all officer ranks for us. I bleed a lot of green, so I need to come online with USAF, so I need to bleed more blue now.

[Spaceman3750]

I know, I know, necrothreading.

Since it was brought up here, what are the proper abbreviations for all officer ranks for us. I bleed a lot of green, so I need to come online with USAF, so I need to bleed more blue now.

It's actually defined somewhere in regs (I don't know where) but let's see if I can regurgitate it from memory -

2Lt - 2nd Lieutenant
1Lt - 1st Lieutenant
Capt - Captain
Maj - Major
LtCol - Lieutenant Colonel
Col - Colonel
BGen - Brigadier General
MGen - Major General

(Note the lower case)

The most common mistakes I've seen is CPT for captain and LTC for Lt. Colonel.

[EMT-83]

You're close, but...

CAPR 35-5 for grades

CAPR 10-1 for office symbols

[Spaceman3750]

I was a bit off...

CAP officer grades are:
(1) Major General (Maj Gen)
(2) Brigadier General (Brig Gen)
(3) Colonel (Col)
(4) Lieutenant Colonel (Lt Col)
(5) Major (Maj)
(6) Captain (Capt)
(7) First Lieutenant (1st Lt)
(8) Second Lieutenant (2d Lt)

I hardly ever see lieutenants abbreviated that way (unless prefaced by C/), that's interesting.

[jeders]

There's also a thread specifically for this topic in the Announcements section http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=1030.0

[manfredvonrichthofen]

I took a look at that thread and noticed that for senior members there is a ranl of SGT before SSGT. I had thought that the grade of SGT had been replaced by SrAMN. As SGT is E-4 could i give up my officer grade for SGT as I was anE-4 in the Army? That is if that isn't a typo in the otber thread.

[MIKE]

That thread is outdated.  The latest revision drops Sergeant for NCOs in grade E-4.  There is no SrA option in CAP.

[manfredvonrichthofen]

That is what I  had thought. Might want to get that  fixed.

[MSG Mac]

I took a look at that thread and noticed that for senior members there is a ranl of SGT before SSGT. I had thought that the grade of SGT had been replaced by SrAMN. As SGT is E-4 could i give up my officer grade for SGT as I was anE-4 in the Army? That is if that isn't a typo in the otber thread.

CAPR 35-5 gives you the option of remaining an NCO in the highest grade you held. BUT There is no provision for advancement as an NCO short of being promoted on the military side.

[manfredvonrichthofen]

I took a look at that thread and noticed that for senior members there is a ranl of SGT before SSGT. I had thought that the grade of SGT had been replaced by SrAMN. As SGT is E-4 could i give up my officer grade for SGT as I was anE-4 in the Army? That is if that isn't a typo in the otber thread.

CAPR 35-5 gives you the option of remaining an NCO in the highest grade you held. BUT There is no provision for advancement as an NCO short of being promoted on the military side.

Right, I understand this, but the thing about me and my prior service (I would be willing to stay at one rank) is that even though I was an "NCO" as a corporal, I was an E-4 therefore I can't transfer to an NCO grade in CAP.

The reason that I would rather change to an enlisted rank is that my style of leadership is more of an NCO than an officer. I am very hands on, and I like to be in the dirt really working with the people I am supervising.

[davidsinn]

I took a look at that thread and noticed that for senior members there is a ranl of SGT before SSGT. I had thought that the grade of SGT had been replaced by SrAMN. As SGT is E-4 could i give up my officer grade for SGT as I was anE-4 in the Army? That is if that isn't a typo in the otber thread.

CAPR 35-5 gives you the option of remaining an NCO in the highest grade you held. BUT There is no provision for advancement as an NCO short of being promoted on the military side.

Right, I understand this, but the thing about me and my prior service (I would be willing to stay at one rank) is that even though I was an "NCO" as a corporal, I was an E-4 therefore I can't transfer to an NCO grade in CAP.

The reason that I would rather change to an enlisted rank is that my style of leadership is more of an NCO than an officer. I am very hands on, and I like to be in the dirt really working with the people I am supervising.

That omission also rules out Navy PO3s who all are NCOs.

[vento]

I was a bit off...

CAP officer grades are:
(1) Major General (Maj Gen)
(2) Brigadier General (Brig Gen)
(3) Colonel (Col)
(4) Lieutenant Colonel (Lt Col)
(5) Major (Maj)
(6) Captain (Capt)
(7) First Lieutenant (1st Lt)
(8) Second Lieutenant (2d Lt)

I hardly ever see lieutenants abbreviated that way (unless prefaced by C/), that's interesting.

I believe the AF and the Marines do it this way. Other services usually go with 1LT and 2LT.

[manfredvonrichthofen]

I was a bit off...

CAP officer grades are:
(1) Major General (Maj Gen)
(2) Brigadier General (Brig Gen)
(3) Colonel (Col)
(4) Lieutenant Colonel (Lt Col)
(5) Major (Maj)
(6) Captain (Capt)
(7) First Lieutenant (1st Lt)
(8) Second Lieutenant (2d Lt)

I hardly ever see lieutenants abbreviated that way (unless prefaced by C/), that's interesting.

I believe the AF and the Marines do it this way. Other services usually go with 1LT and 2LT.

Army, everything only has a three letter abbreviation.
PV1
PV2
PFC
SPC
CPL
SGT
SSG
SFC
MSG
1SG
SGM
CSM
CCM

2LT
1LT
CPT
MAJ
LCL
COL
BGN
MGN
LGN
GEN

EDIT:Add Specialist; SPC
Add Corporal; CPL

[vento]

I was a bit off...

CAP officer grades are:
(1) Major General (Maj Gen)
(2) Brigadier General (Brig Gen)
(3) Colonel (Col)
(4) Lieutenant Colonel (Lt Col)
(5) Major (Maj)
(6) Captain (Capt)
(7) First Lieutenant (1st Lt)
(8) Second Lieutenant (2d Lt)

I hardly ever see lieutenants abbreviated that way (unless prefaced by C/), that's interesting.

I believe the AF and the Marines do it this way. Other services usually go with 1LT and 2LT.

I was actually wrong. The Marines do 2ndLt instead of 2d Lt.
Scroll all the way to the bottom of this page and it shows the abbreviations used in each service.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Air_Force_officer_rank_insignia

Since we are the USAF Aux, I assume we should follow the USAF abbreviations.  :)