BDU vs ABU vs OCP

[CAPed Crusader]

Hello,
IN your own opinion, which uniform you think would be best for CAP?

*THIS IS JUST FOR FUN*

Enjoy!

[WillTheCommsGuy]

BDU. It's a more comfortable uniform (in my opinion), but if I had to choose one of the others I'd choose OCP.


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[CAPed Crusader]

Nice, I like the OCP because the patches are velcro. However, I wish the ABU had any boot but black.

[WillTheCommsGuy]

Nice, I like the OCP because the patches are velcro. However, I wish the ABU had any boot but black.

Very true. I hate those black boots when worn with the ABU's.


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[CAPed Crusader]

What would be nice is if we wore Navy Blue suede boot. Here, I attached a link:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjV5MjlvNXfAhWvmeAKHftTD3YQjRx6BAgBEAU&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.globalsources.com%2Fgsol%2FI%2FTactical-boots%2Fp%2Fsm%2F1154451231.htm&psig=AOvVaw3Tw60ZZFb1w0BlXFsvu-t9&ust=1546737618485069

[WillTheCommsGuy]

I like the idea of not having to polish my boots...but good lord that color is hideous...


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[Abby.L]

Most Active duty airmen don't even have the OCPs. How do you(And the other tricksters on FB) thank we're going to get OCPs for the cadets? ABUs are only a recent change.

I will say that, as an Active duty airman myself, I hate the ABUs. With CAP's modifications(Black boots and no berets), I will be delaying/negating my transition as much as I can. BDU all the way(I wish the military had never moved away from it...)

[Stonewall]

I wear OCPs every day and they are, by far, the second most comfortable utility/combat uniform I've ever worn.  The first were ABSGs, which were worn in Afghanistan/Iraq for a few years until we switched to OCPs for deployers in 2011.  ABSGs were absolutely the most comfy and practical uniform I've worn, except they were still ABU patterned camouflage.

For CAP, I just wish we could get rid of the black boots, they look terrible.

Alas, I proposed my own CAP-specific uniform here on CAP Talk 10+ years ago. Same uniform as OCP except solid olive drab green rather than any type of camouflage pattern.

[CS]

Actually none of the above.  Blue BDU for everyone, save money, looks good, readily available, and will be UNIFORM for ALL!

[PHall]

Actually none of the above.  Blue BDU for everyone, save money, looks good, readily available, and will be UNIFORM for ALL!

And then we look like the Coast Guard. Which is not a bad thing, but we are the Auxiliary of the Air Force, not the Coast Guard.
Besides, the Coast Guard has their own Auxiliary already!

[Luis R. Ramos]

My sentiments exactly.

When people ask "Why is the Coast Guard helping at this airshow?" Or "Why is the Coast Guard working so far inland? There are no rivers or lakes here." How will you respond?

[Eclipse]

My sentiments exactly.

When people ask "Why is the Coast Guard helping at this airshow?" Or "Why is the Coast Guard working so far inland? There are no rivers or lakes here." How will you respond?

1 - No one will, or ever has asked that.

2 - "Civil Air Patrol, the uniforms are similar."

3 - No one will, or ever has asked that.

People who know / care / need to know, already know, and are only asking to push buttons, and they
can go push them down the road.

Everyone >in< the organizaiton already knows, and it's written on the front of the uniform
for those who are unaware and within "matters to you" distance of a member.

To the rest of the 99% of the general public, they don't need to know, and anyone in camo is "Army", and
everyone else is SWAT.

[MSG Mac]

1. ABU's are here to stay
2. BDU's expiration date is Jun 2021-there are none in the supply system, they will not becoming back.
3. USAF specifically mandated that CAP could not wear the AF suede bots, only black boots with ABUs

[Eclipse]

2. BDU's expiration date is Jun 2021-there are none in the supply system, they will not becoming back.

Who's supply system? 

DRMO?  Agreed.

Retail / ebay / other?  Lots there, no shortage.

Unit supply closets? About the same as far as I see.

[Shuman 14]

For what little my opinion matters, OCP's are a very comfortable and breathable uniform that is durable.

I concur with the comments as to why does CAP need a camouflage uniform (it doesn't); yet I also concur about BBDU being confused for USCG, USCGAux, Law Enforcement, etc.

I suggest a compromise answer. They do produce a civilian version of the OCP in a solid olive drab, which would work well as an all member Corporate Field Uniform.

Blue NAME and CAP tapes, Rank, Badges and full color patches will stand out so no confusion for a USAF member but show the link to Ma Blue and the uniform is "martial" enough for those that will complain about that.

Just my two cents.

[WillTheCommsGuy]

Actually none of the above.  Blue BDU for everyone, save money, looks good, readily available, and will be UNIFORM for ALL!

That's all fine and good, but my biggest problem with the "Smurf Suit" is that is looks god-awful. I know we're not here to look good but man that uniform is ugly. Why can't we just stick with BDU's??? There is NOTHING wrong with them.


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[SarDragon]

Actually none of the above.  Blue BDU for everyone, save money, looks good, readily available, and will be UNIFORM for ALL!

That's all fine and good, but my biggest problem with the "Smurf Suit" is that is looks god-awful. I know we're not here to look good but man that uniform is ugly. Why can't we just stick with BDU's??? There is NOTHING wrong with them.


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No, the Smurf Suit is long gone. BBDUs are NOT the Smurf Suit. That term was used on the olde light blue, short sleeve coverall uniform from back in the seventies.


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[Eclipse]

I love how someone hears some random term somewhere and thinks it applies despite having no bearing.

The Corporate Field Uniform is all but black, where / how would the term "smurf suit" be remotely applicable?

[WillTheCommsGuy]

I love how someone hears some random term somewhere and thinks it applies despite having no bearing.

The Corporate Field Uniform is all but black, where / how would the term "smurf suit" be remotely applicable?

Because a senior member in my squadron wears it, and to my it always looked blue (maybe because it's old and faded). Also, I love how someone tries to correct someone else with the wrong information. The uniform IS blue, not black. Don't believe me? Look at vaguardmil.com. Or this photo I have attached. I heard the term "smurf suit" in reference to the corporate field uniform one time at my squadron. Obviously that's not the correct term, so I retract my earlier statement. Next time you get your panties in a wad over a comment, get your facts straight.

By the way, absolutely no disrespect is intended. I just though it was funny how I made one comment at got slapped down for it.


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[Gunsotsu]

[Eclipse]

I love how someone hears some random term somewhere and thinks it applies despite having no bearing.

The Corporate Field Uniform is all but black, where / how would the term "smurf suit" be remotely applicable?

Because a senior member in my squadron wears it, and to my it always looked blue (maybe because it's old and faded). Also, I love how someone tries to correct someone else with the wrong information. The uniform IS blue, not black. Don't believe me? Look at vaguardmil.com. Or this photo I have attached. I heard the term "smurf suit" in reference to the corporate field uniform one time at my squadron. Obviously that's not the correct term, so I retract my earlier statement. Next time you get your panties in a wad over a comment, get your facts straight.

By the way, absolutely no disrespect is intended. I just though it was funny how I made one comment at got slapped down for it.

I said "all but black", which depending on manufacturer and lighting it decidedly is. In fact, some of the ones
from VG, when brand new, are more indigo then blue.

The term "smurf suit", despite the fact that it was widely worn in its time, was at best 50 - 50 derogatory / endearing
and generally skewed towards the derogatory, not only of the garment, but also towards the wearer, which the use here sounded to
me like as well.

It's never applied to the CFU.

Back to the subject, while its disappointing the amount of time members expend being concerned about boot color and headgear,
it is humorous to imagine the hundreds of members, especially cadets, who have to make the weekly , soul-scorching decision:

"Do I wear the lame uniform with the cool hat, or the cool uniform with the lame hat..."

Surely Homer's choice was easier.

[SarDragon]

This is a Smurf. Note the very close resemblance to the color of the jumpsuit.



Hence the nickname.

[Kayll'b]

it all depends on how you look at it. BDUs are more comfortable. However...ABUs have pen pockets!!! 

[Shuman 14]

it all depends on how you look at it. BDUs are more comfortable. However...ABUs have pen pockets!!! 

BDUs have a pen pocket, its inside the left breast pocket and that's why there is a slit in the top of the left breast pocket flap. 

[WillTheCommsGuy]

it all depends on how you look at it. BDUs are more comfortable. However...ABUs have pen pockets!!! 

BDUs have a pen pocket, its inside the left breast pocket and that's why there is a slit in the top of the left breast pocket flap. 

I've seen that, but I was told it was against reg's to put it there. I just keep it in the second flap where the buttons are.


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[GroundHawg]

I wear OCPs every day and they are, by far, the second most comfortable utility/combat uniform I've ever worn.  The first were ABSGs, which were worn in Afghanistan/Iraq for a few years until we switched to OCPs for deployers in 2011.  ABSGs were absolutely the most comfy and practical uniform I've worn, except they were still ABU patterned camouflage.

The last deployment I wore them was in 09, and they truly were great. 

For CAP, I just wish we could get rid of the black boots, they look terrible.

I cant agree with this statement more

Alas, I proposed my own CAP-specific uniform here on CAP Talk 10+ years ago. Same uniform as OCP except solid olive drab green rather than any type of camouflage pattern.

I loved your proposal, and wish they would at least switch the BBDU to an OCP style top.

[vorteks]

I wear OCPs every day and they are, by far, the second most comfortable utility/combat uniform I've ever worn.  The first were ABSGs, which were worn in Afghanistan/Iraq for a few years until we switched to OCPs for deployers in 2011.  ABSGs were absolutely the most comfy and practical uniform I've worn, except they were still ABU patterned camouflage.

The last deployment I wore them was in 09, and they truly were great. 

For CAP, I just wish we could get rid of the black boots, they look terrible.

I cant agree with this statement more

Alas, I proposed my own CAP-specific uniform here on CAP Talk 10+ years ago. Same uniform as OCP except solid olive drab green rather than any type of camouflage pattern.

I loved your proposal, and wish they would at least switch the BBDU to an OCP style top.

Except OCP tops are more than twice the cost of BBDU coats......$70 vs $25. It's a nonstarter for that reason alone

[TheSkyHornet]

I wear OCPs every day and they are, by far, the second most comfortable utility/combat uniform I've ever worn.  The first were ABSGs, which were worn in Afghanistan/Iraq for a few years until we switched to OCPs for deployers in 2011.  ABSGs were absolutely the most comfy and practical uniform I've worn, except they were still ABU patterned camouflage.

The last deployment I wore them was in 09, and they truly were great. 

For CAP, I just wish we could get rid of the black boots, they look terrible.

I cant agree with this statement more

Alas, I proposed my own CAP-specific uniform here on CAP Talk 10+ years ago. Same uniform as OCP except solid olive drab green rather than any type of camouflage pattern.

I loved your proposal, and wish they would at least switch the BBDU to an OCP style top.

Except OCP tops are more than twice the cost of BBDU coats......$70 vs $25. It's a nonstarter for that reason alone

They're going to be. Supply + demand.

Except the BBDU should have no effect on the ABU, BDU, or OCP.

[TheSkyHornet]

For CAP, I just wish we could get rid of the black boots, they look terrible.

I cant agree with this statement more

I'm still standing by this one; I get a lot of shack on that. They look atrocious. Totally out of place. And shining boots is no longer the training-ism it once was.

The whole "to make the uniform look distinctive" is bogus. The blue nametapes do that. The "Civil Air Patrol" on the uniform does that. The reason they didn't go with 'suedes' is because it would be a huge cost for people to replace their black boots.

I think the option should have been to wear BDUs with the black boots or ABUs with the synthetics. Black with the ABU...really any modern military-style working uniform...looks so tacky.

[Eclipse]

I wear OCPs every day and they are, by far, the second most comfortable utility/combat uniform I've ever worn.  The first were ABSGs, which were worn in Afghanistan/Iraq for a few years until we switched to OCPs for deployers in 2011.  ABSGs were absolutely the most comfy and practical uniform I've worn, except they were still ABU patterned camouflage.

The last deployment I wore them was in 09, and they truly were great. 

For CAP, I just wish we could get rid of the black boots, they look terrible.

I cant agree with this statement more

Alas, I proposed my own CAP-specific uniform here on CAP Talk 10+ years ago. Same uniform as OCP except solid olive drab green rather than any type of camouflage pattern.

I loved your proposal, and wish they would at least switch the BBDU to an OCP style top.

Except OCP tops are more than twice the cost of BBDU coats......$70 vs $25. It's a nonstarter for that reason alone

TACU coats from Propper run about $40-50, would be a better choice for CAP, and are a closer match for the OCPs.

[Color Guard Rifleman]

I just got some US Army pants from a family friend. Could I wear those instead of the ABU pants? Are they the same pattern?

[vorteks]

I just got some US Army pants from a family friend. Could I wear those instead of the ABU pants? Are they the same pattern?

No and No

[vorteks]

I wear OCPs every day and they are, by far, the second most comfortable utility/combat uniform I've ever worn.  The first were ABSGs, which were worn in Afghanistan/Iraq for a few years until we switched to OCPs for deployers in 2011.  ABSGs were absolutely the most comfy and practical uniform I've worn, except they were still ABU patterned camouflage.

The last deployment I wore them was in 09, and they truly were great. 

For CAP, I just wish we could get rid of the black boots, they look terrible.

I cant agree with this statement more

Alas, I proposed my own CAP-specific uniform here on CAP Talk 10+ years ago. Same uniform as OCP except solid olive drab green rather than any type of camouflage pattern.

I loved your proposal, and wish they would at least switch the BBDU to an OCP style top.

Except OCP tops are more than twice the cost of BBDU coats......$70 vs $25. It's a nonstarter for that reason alone

TACU coats from Propper run about $40-50, would be a better choice for CAP, and are a closer match for the OCPs.

I'm not down with that Members Only collar though

[Color Guard Rifleman]

I just got some US Army pants from a family friend. Could I wear those instead of the ABU pants? Are they the same pattern?

No and No

What pattern are the US army pants?

[abdsp51]

I wear OCPs every day and they are, by far, the second most comfortable utility/combat uniform I've ever worn.  The first were ABSGs, which were worn in Afghanistan/Iraq for a few years until we switched to OCPs for deployers in 2011.  ABSGs were absolutely the most comfy and practical uniform I've worn, except they were still ABU patterned camouflage.

The last deployment I wore them was in 09, and they truly were great. 

For CAP, I just wish we could get rid of the black boots, they look terrible.

I cant agree with this statement more

Alas, I proposed my own CAP-specific uniform here on CAP Talk 10+ years ago. Same uniform as OCP except solid olive drab green rather than any type of camouflage pattern.

I loved your proposal, and wish they would at least switch the BBDU to an OCP style top.

Except OCP tops are more than twice the cost of BBDU coats......$70 vs $25. It's a nonstarter for that reason alone

TACU coats from Propper run about $40-50, would be a better choice for CAP, and are a closer match for the OCPs.

I'm not down with that Members Only collar though

You are aware those collars roll down like the ACU/OCP right?

[vorteks]

I wear OCPs every day and they are, by far, the second most comfortable utility/combat uniform I've ever worn.  The first were ABSGs, which were worn in Afghanistan/Iraq for a few years until we switched to OCPs for deployers in 2011.  ABSGs were absolutely the most comfy and practical uniform I've worn, except they were still ABU patterned camouflage.

The last deployment I wore them was in 09, and they truly were great. 

For CAP, I just wish we could get rid of the black boots, they look terrible.

I cant agree with this statement more

Alas, I proposed my own CAP-specific uniform here on CAP Talk 10+ years ago. Same uniform as OCP except solid olive drab green rather than any type of camouflage pattern.

I loved your proposal, and wish they would at least switch the BBDU to an OCP style top.

Except OCP tops are more than twice the cost of BBDU coats......$70 vs $25. It's a nonstarter for that reason alone

TACU coats from Propper run about $40-50, would be a better choice for CAP, and are a closer match for the OCPs.

I'm not down with that Members Only collar though

You are aware those collars roll down like the ACU/OCP right?

Am now!

[vorteks]

I wear OCPs every day and they are, by far, the second most comfortable utility/combat uniform I've ever worn.  The first were ABSGs, which were worn in Afghanistan/Iraq for a few years until we switched to OCPs for deployers in 2011.  ABSGs were absolutely the most comfy and practical uniform I've worn, except they were still ABU patterned camouflage.

The last deployment I wore them was in 09, and they truly were great. 

For CAP, I just wish we could get rid of the black boots, they look terrible.

I cant agree with this statement more

Alas, I proposed my own CAP-specific uniform here on CAP Talk 10+ years ago. Same uniform as OCP except solid olive drab green rather than any type of camouflage pattern.

I loved your proposal, and wish they would at least switch the BBDU to an OCP style top.

Except OCP tops are more than twice the cost of BBDU coats......$70 vs $25. It's a nonstarter for that reason alone

TACU coats from Propper run about $40-50, would be a better choice for CAP, and are a closer match for the OCPs.

I'm not down with that Members Only collar though

You are aware those collars roll down like the ACU/OCP right?

Am now!

Though I just searched the entire internet and can't find a single picture of it in that configuration..... so I'm guessing it's not meant to be worn that way?

[Eclipse]

Though I just searched the entire internet and can't find a single picture of it in that configuration..... so I'm guessing it's not meant to be worn that way?

I wear it that way all the time - though you would not be putting grade on it, that would have to be a tab or similar.

I bought one of these a while back (with pants), and wear the coat as a light jacket.

The matching trousers are cool as they have the lower pockets like the ABU pants have.

[PHall]

I wear OCPs every day and they are, by far, the second most comfortable utility/combat uniform I've ever worn.  The first were ABSGs, which were worn in Afghanistan/Iraq for a few years until we switched to OCPs for deployers in 2011.  ABSGs were absolutely the most comfy and practical uniform I've worn, except they were still ABU patterned camouflage.

The last deployment I wore them was in 09, and they truly were great. 

For CAP, I just wish we could get rid of the black boots, they look terrible.

I cant agree with this statement more

Alas, I proposed my own CAP-specific uniform here on CAP Talk 10+ years ago. Same uniform as OCP except solid olive drab green rather than any type of camouflage pattern.

I loved your proposal, and wish they would at least switch the BBDU to an OCP style top.

Except OCP tops are more than twice the cost of BBDU coats......$70 vs $25. It's a nonstarter for that reason alone

Don't know where you're shopping but OCP coats are $38 at Military Clothing Sales.

[GroundHawg]

I wear OCPs every day and they are, by far, the second most comfortable utility/combat uniform I've ever worn.  The first were ABSGs, which were worn in Afghanistan/Iraq for a few years until we switched to OCPs for deployers in 2011.  ABSGs were absolutely the most comfy and practical uniform I've worn, except they were still ABU patterned camouflage.

The last deployment I wore them was in 09, and they truly were great. 

For CAP, I just wish we could get rid of the black boots, they look terrible.

I cant agree with this statement more

Alas, I proposed my own CAP-specific uniform here on CAP Talk 10+ years ago. Same uniform as OCP except solid olive drab green rather than any type of camouflage pattern.

I loved your proposal, and wish they would at least switch the BBDU to an OCP style top.

Except OCP tops are more than twice the cost of BBDU coats......$70 vs $25. It's a nonstarter for that reason alone

Don't know where you're shopping but OCP coats are $38 at Military Clothing Sales.

My wholesale cost on them is $16.90, so I would sell them for around $20-$25 retail depending on the S&H costs. I am not a huge buyer so my costs aren't that great, but I am sure a larger retailer could easily sell them for $20 or lower.

[Stonewall]

You know there can't be a utility uniform thread without me plugging my decade old idea...

You know, from 2007...

[Eclipse]

^ Would look so nice with the dark blue nametapes on dark blue uniform.

That also looks to be the same style collar as the blue example, worn "down".

[vorteks]

I wear OCPs every day and they are, by far, the second most comfortable utility/combat uniform I've ever worn.  The first were ABSGs, which were worn in Afghanistan/Iraq for a few years until we switched to OCPs for deployers in 2011.  ABSGs were absolutely the most comfy and practical uniform I've worn, except they were still ABU patterned camouflage.

The last deployment I wore them was in 09, and they truly were great. 

For CAP, I just wish we could get rid of the black boots, they look terrible.

I cant agree with this statement more

Alas, I proposed my own CAP-specific uniform here on CAP Talk 10+ years ago. Same uniform as OCP except solid olive drab green rather than any type of camouflage pattern.

I loved your proposal, and wish they would at least switch the BBDU to an OCP style top.

Except OCP tops are more than twice the cost of BBDU coats......$70 vs $25. It's a nonstarter for that reason alone

Don't know where you're shopping but OCP coats are $38 at Military Clothing Sales.

That's great but I'm guessing you can't get those from the PX in solid OD or dark blue.

[baronet68]

BBDU's for all... cadets and seniors alike.   

I dream of encampments, airshows, and large-scale events where EVERY member is wearing the SAME uniform. 

u·ni·form
/ˈyo͞onəˌfôrm/
adjective

• not changing in form or character; remaining the same in all cases and at all times.
  "blocks of stone of uniform size"
  
  synonyms:   constant, consistent, steady, invariable, unvarying, unfluctuating, unchanging, stable, static, regular, fixed, even, equal
  "a uniform temperature"
  
  identical, matching, similar, equal;
  same, like, homogeneous, consistent
  "pieces of uniform size"
  
  
• denoting a garment forming part of a person's uniform.
  "black uniform jackets"

noun

• the distinctive clothing worn by members of the same organization or body or by children attending certain schools.
  "airline pilots in dark blue uniforms"
  
  synonyms:   costume, livery, regalia, suit, ensemble, outfit; colors; informalgetup, monkey suit, rig, gear; archaichabit
  "a soldier in uniform"
  
  
• a code word representing the letter U, used in radio communication.

verb

• make uniform.

[vorteks]

BBDU's for all... cadets and seniors alike.   

I dream of encampments, airshows, and large-scale events where EVERY member is wearing the SAME uniform.

OK but how would you get everyone to fit into it? 

[Simplex]

Amen brother!

[CAPed Crusader]

I just got some US Army pants from a family friend. Could I wear those instead of the ABU pants? Are they the same pattern?

No and No

What pattern are the US army pants?

The difference is the Army uniform is not tiger-striped like the ABU, look up the patterns and compare them, you will see what I mean.

Here is the link to the pictures with the patterns (abu first, acu second), here they are:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwij5J3-09zfAhWynuAKHXSSAFYQjRx6BAgBEAU&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.joesarmynavyonline.com%2FAir-Force-ABU-Fabric-p%2F130208.htm&psig=AOvVaw1acdWIDHKh3SEsjPVhv12U&ust=1546984363458157



https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwinhIiY1NzfAhWvT98KHXhcC_YQjRx6BAgBEAU&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FUniversal-Digital-Camouflage-Cotton-RIPSTOP%2Fdp%2FB00XYGJ7TM&psig=AOvVaw1acdWIDHKh3SEsjPVhv12U&ust=1546984363458157

[vorteks]

Amen brother!

I think that horse is still breathing

[TheSkyHornet]

BBDU's for all... cadets and seniors alike.   

I dream of encampments, airshows, and large-scale events where EVERY member is wearing the SAME uniform. 

u·ni·form
/ˈyo͞onəˌfôrm/
adjective

• not changing in form or character; remaining the same in all cases and at all times.
  "blocks of stone of uniform size"
  
  synonyms:   constant, consistent, steady, invariable, unvarying, unfluctuating, unchanging, stable, static, regular, fixed, even, equal
  "a uniform temperature"
  
  identical, matching, similar, equal;
  same, like, homogeneous, consistent
  "pieces of uniform size"
  
  
• denoting a garment forming part of a person's uniform.
  "black uniform jackets"

noun

• the distinctive clothing worn by members of the same organization or body or by children attending certain schools.
  "airline pilots in dark blue uniforms"
  
  synonyms:   costume, livery, regalia, suit, ensemble, outfit; colors; informalgetup, monkey suit, rig, gear; archaichabit
  "a soldier in uniform"
  
  
• a code word representing the letter U, used in radio communication.

verb

• make uniform.

What if you went into the reverse? Rather than putting everyone into the "Corporate," put them into the ABUs.

Yeah, yeah, I know...you'll lose all the people that wear beards or are fairly overweight. Just a thought: Maybe those that can't do a single curl-up shouldn't be running a program that emphasizes healthy lifestyles and fitness.

On the converse, as always, you lose a bunch of cadets if you drop the Air Force-style uni. Then again, maybe there's too much emphasis of "You get to look like you're actually in the Air Force!" Psh, some units can't even enforce haircut standards.

The issue isn't with the uniform; it's with the attitudes that come with it---whether too gung-ho or too nonchalant.

[CAPCom]

Maybe those that can't do a single curl-up shouldn't be running a program that emphasizes healthy lifestyles and fitness...

Maybe those who don't realize a volunteer organization with strict anti-discrimination policies shouldn't be suggesting other volunteers who come in all shapes and sizes, from both genders, from all age groups, with different disabilities and medical issue shouldn't be in said volunteer organization if they can't keep themselves from criticizing volunteers and suggesting discrimination against them simply because they don't meet their personal standards of "healthy lifestyles and fitness".

The issue isn't with the uniform; it's with the attitudes that come with it

Based on your insensitive and unthinking comments about lifestyles and health, I can only respond by saying: Indeed.

[Eclipse]

^^ <<*SHACK!*>> ^^

[Spam]

Yeah, yeah, I know...you'll lose all the people that wear beards or are fairly overweight. Just a thought: Maybe those that can't do a single curl-up shouldn't be running a program that emphasizes healthy lifestyles and fitness.

Ouch, Hornet. Ouch.  You know, I usually love reading your inputs but I can't go where you're going here.

From my perspective, that would be like me (with my engineering background) coming out with a biased statement that unless you've advanced engineering degrees and are a Test Pilot School instructor, you have no business in an organization that has Aerospace Education as a core mission. Lose the "dummies" that can't do diff equations? Kick out the ignorant who can't perform stress/thrust/vibroacoustics calculations, or perform thermal materials analyses, or pilot workload predictions? (NO WAY...).

You might want to consider walking that back a little.

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[Larry Mangum]

I think this thread is done.

[SarDragon]

Also locked the poll.