National Commander's Suspension Coming to an end Sunday

[SDF_Specialist]

Well now that makes me want to ask a question. What can CAP do if Pineda continues to wear the stars? I don't know if he's been completely kicked out of the organization, but what can be done if he is out of the program, and continues to claim to be a member?

[Major Carrales]

"the Tampa, Fla.-based online military e-zine News of the Force that Pineda had assigned him to take the tests."

I think there might be some Hubris in that line.

I'm sorry, a CAP Major General is a "real" thing.  CAP rank, be it not equal or comparaible to USAF RANK, however, it is real for what it is.

[flyguy06]

Well now that makes me want to ask a question. What can CAP do if Pineda continues to wear the stars? I don't know if he's been completely kicked out of the organization, but what can be done if he is out of the program, and continues to claim to be a member?

Nothing. You cant arrest him. and CAP cant sue him. Any joe blow off the street can call Vanguard and order whatever they want.

[MIKE]

I'm sorry, a CAP Major General is a "real" thing.  CAP rank, be it not equal or comparaible to USAF RANK, however, it is real for what it is.

What, costume jewelery?

[Hawk200]

Well now that makes me want to ask a question. What can CAP do if Pineda continues to wear the stars? I don't know if he's been completely kicked out of the organization, but what can be done if he is out of the program, and continues to claim to be a member?

Claiming is one thing, wearing a uniform and attempting to attend CAP activities is another thing altogether. One he might be able to get away with, the other will generate more problems for him.

Nobody really cares about claims. There are loads of people that claimed to have been military, and Special Forces, or Recon, or a SEAL, or otherwise. Sooner or later they get busted on it. Besides, considering the Web nowadays, you can punch someones name in and get something about them fairly quickly. For Antonia Pineda, that will bite him in the tail rather quickly.

[SDF_Specialist]

Now see, here's another problem. If CAP terminates a member, why isn't there a way to stop these members from trying to attend CAP activities?

[Major Carrales]

I'm sorry, a CAP Major General is a "real" thing.  CAP rank, be it not equal or comparaible to USAF RANK, however, it is real for what it is.

What, costume jewelery?

C'mon MIKE.  You should no better than to mock this organization.  If you can't take CAP seriously when it counts...I question your resolve.

missed the quote button... -TA

[Eagle400]

I'm sorry, a CAP Major General is a "real" thing.  CAP rank, be it not equal or comparaible to USAF RANK, however, it is real for what it is.

What, costume jewelery?

Well, for Pineda at least! 

Rank doesn't make the person, the person makes the rank.  For example, Brig Gen Courter is a "real" general; Pineda never was (though he was in his own mind). 

[Hawk200]

Now see, here's another problem. If CAP terminates a member, why isn't there a way to stop these members from trying to attend CAP activities?

You can call local law enforcement, and inform them that the individual is not welcome. In the case of anyplace that someone pays for the space they're using, it's not difficult. Might be a little harder when it comes to donated space. Then it would probably be a case of conferencing with the owner and explaining the problem.

Technically, it's trespassing if a person shows up someplace where they are not welcome, and have been informed of it. But they do have to told that they aren't welcome.

[pixelwonk]

C'mon MIKE.  You should no better than to mock this organization.  If you can't take CAP seriously when it counts...I question your resolve.

A guy who doesn't take all the ancillary (your word) stuff too seriously is a guy I want on my side.

[JohnKachenmeister]

There is also a federal law prohibiting wear of the Air Force uniform and insignia, and the definition of "Air Force" includes CAP.  The TPU, I do not know.  

[Hawk200]

There is also a federal law prohibiting wear of the Air Force uniform and insignia, and the definition of "Air Force" includes CAP.  The TPU, I do not know.  

Isn't there something in the US Code that talks about not wearing the uniform of the US military auxiliaries? Should cover it I imagine.

[JohnKachenmeister]

I think so, Hawk.

The trouble is, I never thought about it.  Guys who are AUTHORIZED to wear the TPU hate doing so, I never thought someone would wear one who didn't have to.

[Skyray]

There is also a federal law prohibiting wear of the Air Force uniform and insignia, and the definition of "Air Force" includes CAP.  The TPU, I do not know.  

Isn't there something in the US Code that talks about not wearing the uniform of the US military auxiliaries? Should cover it I imagine.

There is, and it is somewhere in Title 10.  I just dowloaded all 2132 pages of Title 10, and threw up my hands in despair because it is not that important to me.  If he wants to claim that he is a Major General and that can't be taken away from him, I will try to stifle my mental image of HMS Pinafore and refrain from laughter.

[Eclipse]

Now see, here's another problem. If CAP terminates a member, why isn't there a way to stop these members from trying to attend CAP activities?

Ask >Mr.< Pineda politely to leave.  If he doesn't, its trespassing.

If he makes a scene, its disorderly conduct.

This is true for anyone not welcome at a CAP activity, member or not. 

[Skyray]

My separation of association with CAP came probably as rapidly as the gentleman under discussion and with a lot less warning.  Consequently, I was stuck with between $600 and $800 worth of CAP distinctive uniforms (clearly identifiable as CAP).  One of my net maven friends researched the matter, and came up with a federal law that it was illegal to wear them.  I just don't happen to remember the cite, and his father just passed away in New York so he is not available to reproduce the research.  But there is a law against it.

[CAP_truth]

Does it really matter if he wears the uniform, says he a major general. He said in an interview he is glad to be rid of the patrol. He gone not even listed in the corporate telephone book, or can be looked up on the national members database. Lets start rebuilding an organization where we can not have a repeat of this again.

[Skyray]

One of you guys said;
He said in an interview he is glad to be rid of the patrol.

Missed that one, I did.  Where did you see it?

[SDF_Specialist]

So ok. Is Pineda officially out of CAP, or just as National/CC?

[Skyray]

You might have missed it.  An Incident Commander ran his name on the National Membership database, and it came up no results.  So he is out of the database, and presumably out of CAP.