National Commander's Suspension Coming to an end Sunday

[Nomex Maximus]

OK that article does suprise me in one respect - Pineda claims he never got to tell his side of the story. If true, it hardly seems like the BOG did a complete job in investigating the case. I would have assumed during all of this that Pineda was asked for his side of the story. Am I missing something here?

[Skyray]

Since we derive some of our culture from the Military, consider this:

"The mark of a professional soldier is to be gracious in victory and not revel over the vanquished. . ."

To those of you wanting to fight beyond the "point of culmination" I ask: if you become a National Commander, what would you want to be remembered for?

Consider the legacy that TP is leaving punishment enough, and let's move on.....

Well said O-Rex, and now let's get them to do it.  There is a lot of rebuilding to be done.  One of our Florida 61 year Been there; Done that members just hit me back channel with something that comes out like:  Florida CAP is like Florida Weather.  Don't like it?  Wait a few minutes, it will change.

[SDF_Specialist]

I don't believe for one second that TP never got to tell his side of the story. How professional would the BoG be if they made a decision of that degree without hearing TP's side? I don't think Gen. Courter would let something like that fly (since she is calling the shots for CAP). I don't think this is going to go to rest as fast as most of us would like it to go.

[Skyray]

OK that article does suprise me in one respect - Pineda claims he never got to tell his side of the story. If true, it hardly seems like the BOG did a complete job in investigating the case. I would have assumed during all of this that Pineda was asked for his side of the story. Am I missing something here?

OK, Nomex, trying very hard to refrain from saying anything negative about the subject of the investigation, there were two or three hours each from the principle targets of the investigation of recorded interviews with Colonel Linker.  I would assume at least one of the questions the IG asked was do you have any explanation or justification.  The recordings of Hayden were posted to the net; the recordings of Pineda and Eileen never were.

[Major Carrales]

OK that article does suprise me in one respect - Pineda claims he never got to tell his side of the story. If true, it hardly seems like the BOG did a complete job in investigating the case. I would have assumed during all of this that Pineda was asked for his side of the story. Am I missing something here?

I think it means that he feels he was basically "gaged" for the suspension while the "court of public opinion" has had a field day.  That is the only thing that I can see that this looks like that that makes sense.

The world speculated, then that specualtion was quoted as facts then it was so.

I think that process needs to be examined.

In anycase, if Pineda was guilty...shame on him; if he was not...shame on us.

Really, I expect that reasonable discussion on this topic might best last until next Tuesday...after that, it is in the realm of OLD news and we should have begun the "recovery" by then.

Extending the 15 minutes of fame (flame) any longer is not justified.

[JAFO78]

OK fellow CAPTalkers, If I may call us that. The time has come to heal our battle wounds and move forward and get CAP back to the way it was. Back in step with big Daddy Blue.

We need to look to the future and get back to watching our Homeland.

[Eagle400]

In anycase, if Pineda was guilty...

You actually have doubt that the man was? 

[Major Carrales]

In anycase, if Pineda was guilty...

You actually have doubt that the man was? 

You and I will never really know now?  Will we?  Unless you were "in on it."

[SDF_Specialist]

In anycase, if Pineda was guilty...

You actually have doubt that the man was? 

You and I will never really know now?  Will we?  Unless you were "in on it."

Can I speak for everyone when I ask that we please don't start the finger pointing? Can I ask for myself?

[Major Carrales]

In anycase, if Pineda was guilty...

You actually have doubt that the man was? 

You and I will never really know now?  Will we?  Unless you were "in on it."

Can I speak for everyone when I ask that we please don't start the finger pointing? Can I ask for myself?

Who's fingerpointing?  It is a statement of logic that unless a person assisted in the act, or committed the act, they will never really know all the facts.

[Nomex Maximus]

OK that article does suprise me in one respect - Pineda claims he never got to tell his side of the story. If true, it hardly seems like the BOG did a complete job in investigating the case. I would have assumed during all of this that Pineda was asked for his side of the story. Am I missing something here?

OK, Nomex, trying very hard to refrain from saying anything negative about the subject of the investigation, there were two or three hours each from the principle targets of the investigation of recorded interviews with Colonel Linker.  I would assume at least one of the questions the IG asked was do you have any explanation or justification.  The recordings of Hayden were posted to the net; the recordings of Pineda and Eileen never were.

I am just saying that it would seem very odd if he never got a chance to explain himself, and if he did, then why does he claim to not have been given a chance to tell his side of things. Just seems like an very odd thing to read him as saying.

[Skyray]

Who's fingerpointing?  It is a statement of logic that unless a person assisted in the act, or committed the act, they will never really know all the facts.

After years of experience in forensic investigation, even those people frequently don't know.  Lot's of good who dun it plots out there with confused perpetrators.

[SDF_Specialist]

Ahh, logic. There's something we all have to get used to again.

[a2capt]

....  The recordings of Hayden were posted to the net; the recordings of Pineda and Eileen never were.

Actually..

It was purported to have been posted at a url that since pointed toward Google, in possibly a twist that meant, "here, search for it", perhaps..

searches turned up nada.

Makes me wanna invest in RC flies.   

[L Cid]

If this is indeed the case (and NOTF is not always 100% accurate!) several thoughts occur to me:

What does NOTF stand for?

Tags - MIKE

[SDF_Specialist]

If this is indeed the case (and NOTF is not always 100% accurate!) several thoughts occur to me:

What does NOTF stand for?

News Of The Force

Tags - MIKE

[flyerthom]

First we removed him from command.
Second we demote him to senior member.
Third we remove any awards given him.
And finally we 2b him out of CAP.

I vote for just letting it end.  I know some of you were slighted by Pineda and have axes to grind, but let's remember the lessons from Captain Ahab.

The organization needs to heal, let's not continue to "pick at the scab."  We cannot start rebuilding until this is over.  If all these things you mention happen this week, so be it.  If not, let him fade into CAP history.  "'Tis a worse fate to be faded and subdued into oblivion, than to be made a maytr of.

Plus, we don't even know if he is guilty of any of the wrong doing  (unless information has been released), for all we know he was removed for merely causing this "scandal."

Will we ever know the truth?  Can we ever? Should we even ever know?

Let's end this...please.  I feel like seeing the Brigadier General's tenure begin without all this "soot."

Like was said elsewhere, this is not time to be singing old songs, we need to be composing new ones.

The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on: nor all your Piety nor Wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all your Tears wash out a Word of it.

The Rubaiyat Quatrain LXXI
Omar Khayyam


It's time to close this book and begin writing the new one.


"Staring at the blank page before you
Open up the dirty window
Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

Reaching for something in the distance
So close you can almost taste it
Release your inhibitions
Feel the rain on your skin
No one else can feel it for you
Only you can let it in
No one else, no one else
Can speak the words on your lips
Drench yourself in words unspoken
Live your life with arms wide open
Today is where your book begins
The rest is still unwritten"


"Unwritten"
Natasha Benningfield



We can only go forward, we can not change what's behind, and recriminating only leads to more toxic reactions.

What is the Blue Berets say?

The Mission comes First

[NIN]

I respect NIN from our long history of communicating together, and I value his friendship.  In fact there are many in CAP, both still in and former members, whom I count as friends.  I am saddened by the fact that my lack of tolerance for a demonstrated lack of integrity has deteriorated into a joke.  In many ways, that is not an indictment of me, but of you.  I agree with whoever it was, I think Eclipse, who said that the Machiavellian climb to power was an indictment of the members.  Not the members, Eclipse, but the ones who have climbed into the incestuous board and permitted this rise to power for their own aggrandizement.

Doug

Oh, I hope you do realize I was busting your chops in one of those "Squadron-mate in the Ready Room" kind of ways, mostly.

Like I said, I've been saying forever "The Dougs nailed it 10+ years ago.."

Absolute power corrupts absolutely, right?  Or what was that I once read about "the desire to climb the tower should automatically disqualify..."?

I'm sorely disappointed in a couple things surrounding this over the last 12-15 years:

a) the processes in the organization were not sufficient to disallow someone who was known to people 10+ years ago to be a "problem" to ascend all the way to the top;

b) that structurally we've known that the organization's governance structure was susceptible to guile, graft, cronyism and other forms of influence from both above and below, yet until Congress stepped in and created the BoG, nothing much was ever done about it.

Doug Abruzzo coined the term "Self Licking Ice Cream Cone," as I recall.   And it was rather apt.

[Cecil DP]

Isn't it time to close this thread. Pineda has been removed, everyone has had their say, negative or positive. This horse in not only dead, it's on the menu at a French restaurant

[Skyray]

Lordy, no, NIN.  If I have become a ready room joke, for goodness sakes tell me about it.  You might have forgotten, but Abruzzo was terminated for defending me.  My memory is dim, but my recollection is that he appealed, and the board upheld the termination because he had complained about being wrongfully terminated after he was wrongfully terminated.  Just like I was denied access to the MARB because the MARB is for members, and I was no longer a member after being terminated.  Never mind that there have never been any charges brought against me.  This is your self licking ice cream cone.