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"Away-from-squadron" recruitment

Started by AvroArrow, August 25, 2008, 04:31:33 PM

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stratoflyer

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Eduardo Rodriguez, 2LT, CAP

lordmonar

Tie tack/tie bar are not manditory......but they make your tie look better.

As for BDU vs Blues.....a lot of that depends on the program you are trying to sell.

Blues are the offical uniform of the cadet program and therefore we often default to that uniform when recruiting.

If you have a strong ES program and that is what the potential cadets in your area want....BDUs are the way to go.

Either way....make sure that the school principle knows what you are doing and what  you are going to wear and of course get your squadron CC's permission.
PATRICK M. HARRIS, SMSgt, CAP

MIKE

Quote from: lordmonar on August 25, 2008, 07:52:40 PM
Tie tack/tie bar are not manditory......but they make your tie look better.

MIKE requires proof of this assertion using CAPM 39-1 as published.
Mike Johnston

AvroArrow


jimmydeanno

I used to do recruiting events all the time at schools WIWAC.  We tried a couple of different uniforms.

BDUs:  The 12-14 year old boys were really interested interested in what we had to say.  The girls, not so much.  We were talking about ES stuff and flying, etc.  It just didn't seem to spark their interest.  These events we recruited most of our ES addicted cadets.

SS Blues:  The 12-14 year old boys weren't too keen on having to "dress up."  The teenage girls were more interested when presented with that uniform because they wouldn't have to get "dirty."  This uniform lead to an increase in the female population of the squadron and they "accepted" BDUs.  We only wore BDUs twice a month at meetings, so it was ok.  The girls recruited during these events were high-speed and the boys were a little slow on the uptake.

Service Dress:  The 14-18 year old boys became interested because they saw it as a girl magnet.  The 14-18 year old girls, not so much interested in the program as they were the person wearing the uniform.  Got many girls that joined just to meet boys - many didn't make very good cadets and left later on.  I don't know if I can attribute it to the uniform or the prospect pool. I was only 15 at the time and don't remember much about it.

Me?  I was recruited by someone wearing jeans and a t-shirt.
If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law. - Winston Churchill

jimmydeanno

Quote9. Tie Tack or Bar: Center tie tack or tie bar (CAP crest, Air Force coat of arms, Wing and Star/Hap Arnold
design or grade insignia) between bottom edge of knot and bottom (tip) of tie, if tie is worn.
If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law. - Winston Churchill

DC

Quote from: AvroArrow on August 25, 2008, 07:42:21 PM
alright...

So, let's say I were "to go solo" and go in Service Uniform. There's one problem (one I get passed the lack of a lot of ribbons that I have :P ); I have a tie, but no "tie device."

'Think that'll matter a whole lot?   :-\
Probably not, but next time you are ordering stuff from Vanguard I'd get one. If you decide to not wear a tie, make sure you iron down your collar so it doesn't go off an do it's own thing...

RiverAux

I strongly believe in using the BDU for cadet recruiting, partially for some of the reasons  jimmydeano mentioned.  But, perhaps I'm just sticking with my own thoughts from way back in my cadet years.  I never had any interest at all in anything other than the ODs.

One of the biggest things we can "sell" to cadets is the ES program.  That is the major separation between us and the JROTC programs.  Assuming you've got a local ES program that includes cadets, go with it. 

However, whichever uniform you use, be sure to have photos in your recruiting display of cadets in the other ones.  That way you cover all your bases. 

I'm not a big fan of wearing multiple uniforms at recruiting events.  It dilutes your message somewhat and makes you spend time explaining why people are wearing different uniforms instead of spending your limited time explaining why they should join CAP.   

flyguy06

Quote from: Eclipse on August 25, 2008, 04:40:55 PM
Quote from: flyguy06 on August 25, 2008, 04:37:37 PM
I have done that plenty of times in the past. Maybe because I am in the Southeast, but why would you need permission to wear a uniform? They are cloths like anything else. As long as it doesnt violate school dress code policy I dont know why you would need permission?

Wearing the uniform to school requires the unit CC's permission for CAP, and many schools are very reticent these days about allowing any military recruiters inside, and that reticence spills out onto us.

A number of schools in my area will not allow any CAP recruiting activities at all - (and others have JROTC programs, so go figure.)

And the above also assumes the school doesn't have a uniform or dress code, which increasingly, schools in this area are doing.

Ok, I understand, but we are not talking about a recruiter. We are talking about a boy or girl who actually goes to school there everyday. Why would they need permission to wear a CAP uniform to school? Whats more specaial abot that then regular cloths? They have to go to school and they have to wear something. Whats the difference from them choosing to wear jeans and and t shirt and choosing to wear a CAP uniform? I dont think any school dres code prohibits the wearing of a miitary uniform. I could be wrong. Again, nottalking about recruiters. i am talking about students of the school.
Again, maybe its a regional thing. Down here in the south no one would think twice about it. And as a deputy for cadets I think its a great idea. and I encourage it. In fact I had a SM who was a librarian and he wore his BDU's to "work" every Monday. No one thought twice about it.

flyguy06

Quote from: jimmydeanno on August 25, 2008, 08:04:56 PM
I used to do recruiting events all the time at schools WIWAC.  We tried a couple of different uniforms.



I actually find the opposite. Girls are more likely to try something new. Something they have never heard of. Boys, well, if they have never heard of it (like CAP) they are reluctant to find out what its all aboiut. they usually stick to what they know (BSA, Football, etc)

Eclipse

Quote from: flyguy06 on August 26, 2008, 01:49:08 AMIn fact I had a SM who was a librarian and he wore his BDU's to "work" every Monday. No one thought twice about it.

apparently no one involved reads 39-1...

Quote from: CAPM 39-1, Page 7, Table 1-1
DO NOT WEAR      when engaged in private employment.


"That Others May Zoom"

lordmonar

Quote from: MIKE on August 25, 2008, 07:55:43 PM
Quote from: lordmonar on August 25, 2008, 07:52:40 PM
Tie tack/tie bar are not manditory......but they make your tie look better.

MIKE requires proof of this assertion using CAPM 39-1 as published.

Can't...either way....so I follow USAF policy and they are option.
PATRICK M. HARRIS, SMSgt, CAP

RiverAux

QuoteWe are talking about a boy or girl who actually goes to school there everyday. Why would they need permission to wear a CAP uniform to school?
Because CAP uniforms can only be worn at CAP authorized activities and the squadron commander would need to authorize it to be worn as part of a local recruiting drive for it to be worn at school. 

DC

Quote from: RiverAux on August 26, 2008, 03:49:49 AM
QuoteWe are talking about a boy or girl who actually goes to school there everyday. Why would they need permission to wear a CAP uniform to school?
Because CAP uniforms can only be worn at CAP authorized activities and the squadron commander would need to authorize it to be worn as part of a local recruiting drive for it to be worn at school. 
I think he was referring to getting permission from the school, not their commander.

It is a good point to bring up though, if you are going to wear a uniform outside of a meeting or a 'normal' activity, get your SQ commander's approval first.


addo1

Quote from: AvroArrow on August 25, 2008, 04:31:33 PM
My squadron has come up with an idea of recruitment: having trustworthy Cadets going to their school in their BDU (as being in camo and boots would spark some interest, especially if the uniform follow the 39-1 very strictly; you know, perfect tapes, rolled sleeves, rank placement, etc.) and/or doing a presentation about CAP with at least one Senior Member (each of our Cadets, except for two twins and two friends, come from different schools and wearing the uniform may or may not be on the same day as the presentation [if there is one]. Also, the presentation may actually have more than one Cadet and/or Senior Member)

Assuming there is permission given from the Squadron Commander and schools' principals, is this style of recruitment even allowed/possible according to some sort of regulation that CAP has?

Yes, it is TOTALLY a idea that works.  I, myself have done it as recruiter multiple times and each time brings results even though the squadron is an hour away...  I have worn both the BDUs and the Service Dress.  Both seem to work for me.  Just don't wear the service dress if you have to go to athletics... Results don't turn out good there...  :D

Quote from: DC on August 26, 2008, 09:52:21 AM
Quote from: RiverAux on August 26, 2008, 03:49:49 AM
QuoteWe are talking about a boy or girl who actually goes to school there everyday. Why would they need permission to wear a CAP uniform to school?
Because CAP uniforms can only be worn at CAP authorized activities and the squadron commander would need to authorize it to be worn as part of a local recruiting drive for it to be worn at school. 
I think he was referring to getting permission from the school, not their commander.

It is a good point to bring up though, if you are going to wear a uniform outside of a meeting or a 'normal' activity, get your SQ commander's approval first.



It is a good idea ato get permission from the school as well.  Most will have no problem with it, but you want to stay on the safe side.
Addison Jaynes, SFO, CAP
Coordinator, Texas Wing International Air Cadet Exchange


National Cadet Advisory Council 2010

RiverAux

Yeah, a discussion with the school administration would be in order as well.  Just as a courtesy. 

jimmydeanno

Quote from: lordmonar on August 26, 2008, 02:53:26 AM
Can't...either way....so I follow USAF policy and they are option.

Quote9. Tie Tack or Bar: Center tie tack or tie bar (CAP crest, Air Force coat of arms, Wing and Star/Hap Arnold design or grade insignia) between bottom edge of knot and bottom (tip) of tie, if tie is worn.

So the current iteration of 39-1 says if a tie is worn so will a tie tack or bar.  Not optional.
If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law. - Winston Churchill

lordmonar

Quote from: RiverAux on August 26, 2008, 01:57:46 PM
Yeah, a discussion with the school administration would be in order as well.  Just as a courtesy. 

Not a courtesy...but absolutly manditory.  The principle is responsible for everthing that goes on at the school and if you are doing a recruiting drive the principle MUST be in on the loop.
PATRICK M. HARRIS, SMSgt, CAP

RiverAux

Obviously so if you are putting up flyers around school, setting up a recruiting table and things of that nature.  Just wearing the uniform though?  I don't think it is mandatory to get administration permissions for that (unless of course there is a school uniform).  I probably would anyway, since I would be trying everything at once rather than just having them wear the uniform one day.

DC

If someone objects, for whatever reason, and the Principal gave you permission it's on them instead of you...