Started by Eclipse, June 30, 2022, 08:10:58 PM
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Quote from: Eclipse on July 04, 2022, 03:10:05 PMThe DR ship sailed when CAP didn't properly engage after 911, 20+ years ago, and then got a second chance after Katrina and showed how poorly prepared it was for any incidents of real scale.
Quote from: Eclipse on July 04, 2022, 03:10:05 PMAnd no one is going to join CAP to sit and keep a list at a shelter or hand out water.
Quote from: etodd on July 04, 2022, 04:44:24 PMQuote from: Eclipse on July 04, 2022, 03:10:05 PMThe DR ship sailed when CAP didn't properly engage after 911, 20+ years ago, and then got a second chance after Katrina and showed how poorly prepared it was for any incidents of real scale.I'm not sure we ever could. When an ELT goes off, often we have to contact several scquadrons with planes until we can find a full crew that is able to "jump and run". Often its a MP from one Squadron and a MO from another. Maybe even a MS from a third. So travel time for each enters into our response time. What percentage of the membership, when the hurricane strikes are able to drop everything and go help for a week? Its small. Disasters always catch most people when work and family matters get in the way.Full time first responders and agencies are 24/7. CAP members can only help out when its convenient. Its the nature of volunteers.Quote from: Eclipse on July 04, 2022, 03:10:05 PMAnd no one is going to join CAP to sit and keep a list at a shelter or hand out water.But thats where we are headed. All the emphasis will be Cadets at some point. And Seniors who want to teach and lead them."When disaster strikes, we have Cadets that can hand out food and water, call us.""Have a big event? We have Cadets that can direct and park cars, call us."Boy and Girl Scouts ... with a different name.If we can get enough CFIs willing to volunteer, maybe we can justify keeping the airplanes to teach Cadets to their Private Pilot. Otherwise ...
Quote from: Eclipse on July 04, 2022, 03:10:05 PMthen got a second chance after Katrina and showed how poorly prepared it was for any incidents of real scale
Quote from: Eclipse on July 04, 2022, 03:10:05 PMOne only needs to look at the Covid situation to understand that.The organization lost about 25-30% of its membership, the vast, vast majority ofthose left spent two years benched, and a handful, literally a handful, of members who actual did something, anything, are lumped together with the benched in regards to decorations and accolades.
Quote from: flyboy53 on July 08, 2022, 03:59:11 PMUltimately, this discourse about the new logo is a moot point. And this service organization isn't a democracy where everyone has a vote to steer outcomes. We have a chain of command and there are individuals in the higher echelons that have a better understanding of the challenges and opportunities.I choose to remain positive. As I said previously, it took me about two decades to become accepting of the new Air Force logo. While, I prefer the CAP insignia I mentioned previously, I do recognize that change is constant and if we are to survive as an organization, we have to be prepared for change in order for CAP to evolve into whatever platform that best meets the needs of the Air Force or our other customers. A new logo does that.
Quote from: flyboy53 on July 10, 2022, 01:40:19 PMStatistics, such as previously quoted that blamed the pandemic on the reason why people left CAP, may have a root significance but, in reality, can be manipulated to whatever end the presenter is trying to argue. It may not address the true core organizational culture or personal issues that initiated the departure. After all, how many of those members left for personal reasons, for a toxic command or membership culture, or simply because they found a different venue like the Coast Guard Auxiliary or a volunteer ambulance or fire department, or Red Cross to fulfill their needs.
QuoteThe mistake with retired members is completely severing them from the organization, instead of allowing them to continue being dues paying members in a different status. Then, when a retired member returns, his or her role is always diminished because people are genuinely afraid that he or she may be of value, and the core issue that may have caused the departure, unless personal, is never addressed.
QuoteYou want to embrace the retention issue, then change the organizational culture and lend value to all members. The issue here is no different than a social or veteran's group.
QuoteCertainly, about 10 percent of the membership may remain active, but there is a reason why that individual has chosen to watch from the sidelines.
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