Main Menu

Covid Demobilization - Jan 2022

Started by Eclipse, January 11, 2022, 04:58:42 PM

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Eclipse

As of 01/18/2022
Phase 1 - 52
Phase 2 - 0
Phase 3 - 0

HIWG still showing the "by unit" note.

No appreciable changes in the maps.

"That Others May Zoom"

Shuman 14

Quote from: Pace on January 18, 2022, 01:21:35 PMWe are not a medical organization. We do not set medical recommendations.

Then why do we award Physician, Nurse, Health Services Officer and EMT Badges? Just Saying. ;-P
Joseph J. Clune
Lieutenant Colonel, Military Police

USMCR: 1990 - 1992                           USAR: 1993 - 1998, 2000 - 2003, 2005 - Present     CAP: 2013 - 2014, 2021 - Present
INARNG: 1992 - 1993, 1998 - 2000      Active Army: 2003 - 2005                                       USCGAux: 2004 - Present

N6RVT

Quote from: Shuman 14 on January 18, 2022, 08:09:09 PM
Quote from: Pace on January 18, 2022, 01:21:35 PMWe are not a medical organization. We do not set medical recommendations.
Then why do we award Physician, Nurse, Health Services Officer and EMT Badges? Just Saying. ;-P

Same way we award legal and Chaplain badges.  CAP does not provide the training, but we recognize the skill someone already has.

TheSkyHornet

Quote from: Dwight Dutton on January 18, 2022, 08:19:27 PM
Quote from: Shuman 14 on January 18, 2022, 08:09:09 PM
Quote from: Pace on January 18, 2022, 01:21:35 PMWe are not a medical organization. We do not set medical recommendations.
Then why do we award Physician, Nurse, Health Services Officer and EMT Badges? Just Saying. ;-P

Same way we award legal and Chaplain badges.  CAP does not provide the training, but we recognize the skill someone already has.

Except we do directly employ them in related career/skill-based roles.

And while we don't dictate national medical policy, we do address the administration of health/welfare programs, to include the demobilization of operations and restrictions on activities in the preservation of health of members.


N6RVT

Quote from: TheSkyHornet on January 18, 2022, 08:32:14 PM
Quote from: Dwight Dutton on January 18, 2022, 08:19:27 PM
Quote from: Shuman 14 on January 18, 2022, 08:09:09 PM
Quote from: Pace on January 18, 2022, 01:21:35 PMWe are not a medical organization. We do not set medical recommendations.
Then why do we award Physician, Nurse, Health Services Officer and EMT Badges? Just Saying. ;-P

Same way we award legal and Chaplain badges.  CAP does not provide the training, but we recognize the skill someone already has.

Except we do directly employ them in related career/skill-based roles.

Except what?  I said we didn't train them, not that we don't use them.  Our wing commander is an Attorney.  I'm sure those skills get used a lot in that position.

TheSkyHornet

Quote from: Dwight Dutton on January 19, 2022, 03:13:34 PM
Quote from: TheSkyHornet on January 18, 2022, 08:32:14 PM
Quote from: Dwight Dutton on January 18, 2022, 08:19:27 PM
Quote from: Shuman 14 on January 18, 2022, 08:09:09 PM
Quote from: Pace on January 18, 2022, 01:21:35 PMWe are not a medical organization. We do not set medical recommendations.
Then why do we award Physician, Nurse, Health Services Officer and EMT Badges? Just Saying. ;-P

Same way we award legal and Chaplain badges.  CAP does not provide the training, but we recognize the skill someone already has.

Except we do directly employ them in related career/skill-based roles.

Except what?  I said we didn't train them, not that we don't use them.  Our wing commander is an Attorney.  I'm sure those skills get used a lot in that position.

Entirely fair.

PHall

Quote from: Dwight Dutton on January 19, 2022, 03:13:34 PM
Quote from: TheSkyHornet on January 18, 2022, 08:32:14 PM
Quote from: Dwight Dutton on January 18, 2022, 08:19:27 PM
Quote from: Shuman 14 on January 18, 2022, 08:09:09 PM
Quote from: Pace on January 18, 2022, 01:21:35 PMWe are not a medical organization. We do not set medical recommendations.
Then why do we award Physician, Nurse, Health Services Officer and EMT Badges? Just Saying. ;-P

Same way we award legal and Chaplain badges.  CAP does not provide the training, but we recognize the skill someone already has.

Except we do directly employ them in related career/skill-based roles.

Except what?  I said we didn't train them, not that we don't use them.  Our wing commander is an Attorney.  I'm sure those skills get used a lot in that position.


If he decides to use them for CAP. There are many members who are practicing attorneys who don't.

N6RVT

Quote from: PHall on January 19, 2022, 04:46:07 PMIf he decides to use them for CAP. There are many members who are practicing attorneys who don't.
I don't think he actively does, but he does wear the badge for it.  Can't help but have a positive effect n how he makes decisions at that level.

PHall

Quote from: Dwight Dutton on January 19, 2022, 07:44:48 PM
Quote from: PHall on January 19, 2022, 04:46:07 PMIf he decides to use them for CAP. There are many members who are practicing attorneys who don't.
I don't think he actively does, but he does wear the badge for it.  Can't help but have a positive effect n how he makes decisions at that level.

He's the Assistant Legal Officer for Pacific Region too.

Eclipse

Quote from: PHall on January 19, 2022, 08:56:17 PMHe's the Assistant Legal Officer for Pacific Region too.

So...he's the legal counsel to his direct superior?

That seems..."Congressional"...

Looks like a few things have changed since I last bothered to open 111-1.
I seem to recall that at one point, Legal Officers could not be appointed below wing,
and that sitting Commanders could not be Legal Officers, but I don't see either in the
current (2013) version.

"That Others May Zoom"

NovemberWhiskey

The restriction I think you're thinking of is in CAPR 30-1 at para 6.3:

"Commanders who are attorneys will not appoint themselves as a legal officer in their command."



TheSkyHornet

Quote from: Eclipse on January 19, 2022, 09:08:38 PM
Quote from: PHall on January 19, 2022, 08:56:17 PMHe's the Assistant Legal Officer for Pacific Region too.

So...he's the legal counsel to his direct superior?

That seems..."Congressional"...

Literally the Ayatollah of Civil Air Patrol

PHall

Quote from: TheSkyHornet on January 20, 2022, 03:44:37 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on January 19, 2022, 09:08:38 PM
Quote from: PHall on January 19, 2022, 08:56:17 PMHe's the Assistant Legal Officer for Pacific Region too.

So...he's the legal counsel to his direct superior?

That seems..."Congressional"...

Literally the Ayatollah of Civil Air Patrol


Well, it's not like it's a secret. It published on the PACR PA-1 and is on the PACR webpage.
You would figure that if anybody had a problem with it they would have said something by now.

TheSkyHornet

So...does anyone know anything about the Remobilization changes?


Last update I heard was that the Phase 1-2-3 system is going away entirely.

NovemberWhiskey

I assume we'll know when NHQ wants us to know? I'm curious but it doesn't seem to serve the membership to grind the rumor mill on this topic.

heliodoc

There's probably still good reason CAP is still known  as Confusion Among People and for very good and obvious reasons....

Jester

Quote from: NovemberWhiskey on January 24, 2022, 02:29:24 PMI assume we'll know when NHQ wants us to know? I'm curious but it doesn't seem to serve the membership to grind the rumor mill on this topic.


So I would argue NHQ probably shouldn't let the rumor mill grind.  But that's addressing concerns of the membership and we don't do that here.

Keep paying your dues and do your safety training!

dwb

Quote from: Jester on January 24, 2022, 08:07:55 PMSo I would argue NHQ probably shouldn't let the rumor mill grind.  But that's addressing concerns of the membership and we don't do that here.

This is a no-win situation for CAP. If they're actively working on new rules but are not ready to report on those deliberations, they can either:

1. say nothing until they have something to say, in which case people take to the internet to complain, or
2. send an email out every week to say they have nothing to report, in which case people would complain about pointless spam

Exactly how frequently should CAP update its 56,385 members (as of 31 Dec 2021) to tell them they aren't ready to provide updates yet?

Eclipse

While NHQ is evolving the deremobilization http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=25809.0
it's clear that this is far from "over".

As of today, all Wings are still in Phase 1, with HIWG still showing the "by unit" note.
https://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/covid-19-remobilization
The most recent phase reversions were only ~2 weeks ago, so one could certainly
suppose that the current situation(s) stands at least into March, unless the below
changes significantly.

Maps have been showing some reduction in risk, primarily in NE states, and
some populous counties with high vaccine rates are also showing lowering risk numbers.
https://covidactnow.org/?s=28761752

Interestingly, despite no appreciable change in risk, some cities, including San Francisco,
are reducing their mask mandates for those who are vaccinated, which should have a positive
effect on CAP activities in those areas. As Colorado inches back to L4, number of cities are
dropping mask mandates altogether, and news reports are indicating lots of other cities and
states are considering the same actions.





Idaho is still not reporting, and news reports show that positivity rates are still increasing:
https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/record-breaking-covid-19-case-rates-southern-idaho/277-080bedd8-9992-4640-b3d0-398644e310c1



"This disease is spreading at a rate faster than we've ever seen before."


"That Others May Zoom"

jeders

Quote from: Eclipse on February 02, 2022, 07:27:14 PMThe most recent phase reversions were only ~2 weeks ago, so one could certainly suppose that the current situation(s) stands at least into March, unless the below changes significantly.

Based on the available data from CAN for Texas, best guesstimate from multiple individuals seems to be back in Phase 2 by the end of February as case rates are falling just as fast as they went up and infection rates are already below the required levels. That being said, when it comes to large groups of people, all bets are off.
If you are confident in you abilities and experience, whether someone else is impressed is irrelevant. - Eclipse