CAP id used at bank

[SarDragon]

Shouldn't that be a winky smiley -  ?

[Hardshell Clam]

OK, here it is, so you will understand what "real ID" is per the federal govt:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REAL_ID_Act

Note that your CAP ID, security guard/private dick ID, CCW permit, etc. are NOT considered "real ID". They are often considered "supporting" ID. 

Each state develops what it considers acceptable ID to do things like have a beer, drive etc. and the fed govt determines what ID is for international travel.

This is not meant as or inviting a "the fed govt. is bad" or "My JR Girl Scout ID card is legal ID" etc. debate, just a legal view of what "ID" is, but knock yourself out.  :clap:

[Major Lord]

In the parlance of intelligence, secondary documentation is called "Backstop I.D." ( Not to be confused with "Id" see: Sigmund Freud) someone running a con or an operation will have multiple types of easy to get ID ( library card, business card with a telephone answering service, pre-paid credit card, AARP or NRA card, etc, plus a dental appointment card and family photos) to  backstop his primary ( doubtless forged or stolen) I.D., Although only a rank amateur would have conflicting I.D.'s carried on his person! This keeps the victim from digging too far into the veracity of the primary I.D. ( Passport, Driver's License. etc) You can buy a pretty good "camouflage passport" for around $700.00 bucks, usually from a country that no longer exists using any name and address you care to. Of course, you can get a CAP I.D. for $75.00 and a set of fingerprints, and since most SQ's don't actually take fingerprints, you could use anyone's finger prints for your application. Who would turn down a guy in a Captain-costume and a CAP I.D. to buy a six pack of beer or cash a small check?

Major Lord

[davidsinn]

Who would turn down a guy in a Captain-costume and a CAP I.D. to buy a six pack of beer or cash a small check?

Somebody with at least two functioning neurons?

[Hardshell Clam]

In the parlance of intelligence, secondary documentation is called "Backstop I.D." Major Lord

In my 33 year being a full time LEO and agent, never heard it called "backstop ID"and I done got me some of that there intelligence... Just saying

[Extremepredjudice]

In the parlance of intelligence, secondary documentation is called "Backstop I.D." Major Lord

In my 33 year being a full time LEO and agent, never heard it called "backstop ID"and I done got me some of that there intelligence... Just saying

I read it in a Tom Clancy novel...

Therefore, it must be true.

[PHall]

In the parlance of intelligence, secondary documentation is called "Backstop I.D." Major Lord

In my 33 year being a full time LEO and agent, never heard it called "backstop ID"and I done got me some of that there intelligence... Just saying

I read it in a Tom Clancy novel...

Therefore, it must be true.

But, does Chuck Norris carry one?  It's only true if he does!

[Major Lord]

Law enforcement is not intelligence.......The nomenclature is different. Cops don't have "false flag ops" either. The term "backstop I.D." is  used when creating a "Legend", or an identity good enough to stand up to more than casual examination. It also includes the term "pocket trash", which has a very different meaning outside of intelligence.

Major Lord

[Hardshell Clam]

Law enforcement is not intelligence.......The nomenclature is different. Cops don't have "false flag ops" either. The term "backstop I.D." is  used when creating a "Legend", or an identity good enough to stand up to more than casual examination. It also includes the term "pocket trash", which has a very different meaning outside of intelligence.

Major Lord

When I said I "done got me some intelligence" it did not refer to intelligance or counterintelligence (2 dif things) it was me being daft is all.

As to LEO agencies not being intelligence, funny how we had a counterintelligence section in my LEO agency... But then, we were not talking about false flag ops, blah blah blah, we were talking about ID cards and what is considered legal ID and not old "spy speak".  And yes I know what pocket trash is both in and out of the intelligence meanings but then, anyone can go online for that info.

[ElectricPenguin]

I use my CAPID at the airport. :clap: Lots of strange looks though.

[Major Lord]

Law enforcement is not intelligence.......The nomenclature is different. Cops don't have "false flag ops" either. The term "backstop I.D." is  used when creating a "Legend", or an identity good enough to stand up to more than casual examination. It also includes the term "pocket trash", which has a very different meaning outside of intelligence.

Major Lord

When I said I "done got me some intelligence" it did not refer to intelligance or counterintelligence (2 dif things) it was me being daft is all.

As to LEO agencies not being intelligence, funny how we had a counterintelligence section in my LEO agency... But then, we were not talking about false flag ops, blah blah blah, we were talking about ID cards and what is considered legal ID and not old "spy speak".  And yes I know what pocket trash is both in and out of the intelligence meanings but then, anyone can go online for that info.

I am not trying to just irritate you by saying that LE does not conduct intelligence, but the differences in nomenclature are very different. I would rate the CAPID ( or the 101 card with photo) in the realm of "Pocket trash" . Police Intelligence units are notorious for getting into trouble, since the collection of "intelligence" versus "evidence" is much broader. ( I knew a former member of the San Francisco Police Intelligence group ( a former CIA Intelligence Officer) who was forced to resign after ( allegedly) sharing intel with the local rep from the Israeli counter-intelligence group, making him an "agent" . The words used to describe an individual have very distinct meanings in different circles. You for instance identified your self as an LEO, and an  'agent" in one of your posts. Two things that are very, very different. ( Ned will no doubt discuss the other, legal term of "agency", a horse of yet another color)  Your Intel group probably uses the term "Agent" as someone carrying a badge, but in intelligence, and "agent"  is a secretly placed operative designed to steal intel from the opposition, not an investigator, per se. ( well, our agents are good guys-their agents are spies..the penalties for both are about the same, depending on who is playing the game)

The importance of how the CAP ID is used for Identification is important. Many might mistake the CAP ID as an official government document, but its just some ID printed out by a guy named "Bubba somewhere in Alabama. To the uninitiated though, a CAP ID and might get you into places a DL might not, so its a good backstop I.D. I understood your grammar and spelling as humor, we have no quarrel in this brother.

Major Lord

[Hardshell Clam]

"You for instance identified your self as an LEO, and an  'agent" in one of your posts. Two things that are very, very different."

Special Agent GS-1811, a law enforcement position. The intelligence division I referred to was in a federal agency which by my oath and charter, have duties to deter all enemies both foreign and domestic. You do have a point, CIA agents are not LEOs, but take for example the FBI, DEA and other fed agencies, who's agents are LEOs AND, have intelligence missions both here and abroad.


Do local cops have "intelligence" divisions? Sure, but apples and oranges.

[Dracosbane]

The only time I've ever used my CAP ID for anything other than IDing myself as a CAP member is as a second form of ID to buy alcohol at the local liquor store.  And they only wanted it to make sure I *had* two forms of ID with my name on it so that I was legitimately the person on my DL capable of buying there.  They didn't really care what the ID was, they just wanted my name on something else.

[teesquared]

I lost my driver's license on a trip one time, and I got thru airport security on my CAP picture ID.