Quote from: DrJbdm on March 03, 2008, 05:14:30 AM
Thanks for the info, I didn't get to watch the video feed. It does seem that our leadership has a big aversion to appearing to be military at all. They actually argued about rather it made us look too military or not? wow, CAP is a far different CAP then one I belonged to as a cadet in the 80's.

  I hope we one day change back to wanting to be military and that the anti military zealots who are in charge now don't forever change CAP into being a non-military flying club/boyscout organization.

I don't think it was a matter of not wanting to look military because looking like the military is a negative thing. I think it was along the line that the TPU was created to look like the air force uniform but not so much as to draw the wrath the the air force.  Who has approval authority for CAP uniforms aside,  I think everyone is treading the possibly imaginary line between having a uniform that isn't the air force uniform and one that still implies a link with the air force.

What I can't comment on my own state??

I live in CALIFORNIA.....and if you have ever been here you know we hold the record for some of the strangest folks in the country.  Have you even seen the parades in West Hollywood and San Francisco where guys dress as nuns, some wear chaps with nothing else, where they have the DoDah parade with participants such as the silent brief case drill team, dykes on bikes, etc.

Bayhawk...do you have anything like this in your state??

I rest my case.

And here, I will say this before MIKE chimes in, we need to return to topic.

The debate on the uniform is proper, CAL Bashing is not.

Quote from: Major Carrales on March 03, 2008, 05:31:26 AM
And here, I will say this before MIKE chimes in, we need to return to topic.

The debate on the uniform is proper, CAL Bashing is not.

Why not, everybody else seems to like doing it.  But just remember guys, it works the other way too.
So when your state gets bashed, remember, no whining.

Some of the California bashing is indeed out of line, posters.  Please, get back to the relavent topic at hand of the Winter Board actions in and of themselves. 

This is the only warning.  A word to the wise is sufficient...

I'm absolutely cool with special uniforms IF and ONLY IF they are

1)  Required by the customer (show me that in writing)

2)  Mandatory - meaning everyone wears them.

We'll see if that is what happens.  My guess is that we'll continue to see some guys in orange and some guys in green.  Just one more optional uniform. 

I don't ding California for asking, but I think it would have made more sense to give the National Commander the authority to establish regional uniforms.  Meaning that the Wing CC would have to provide proof of #1 and #2 to National before approval would be granted.

I would add a third reason - required for environmental conditions. The Alaska Wing CC brought it up and it makes sense. This would be in-place of 1).

Good point.  

And again, something I'd be happier having the National Commander approve.  If you've got a need, we need to meet it.  But it's always good to check to see if it's a "need" - or just a "want."

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I don't think it was a matter of not wanting to look military because looking like the military is a negative thing. I think it was along the line that the TPU was created to look like the air force uniform but not so much as to draw the wrath the the air force.  Who has approval authority for CAP uniforms aside,  I think everyone is treading the possibly imaginary line between having a uniform that isn't the air force uniform and one that still implies a link with the air force.

That may be the crux of it. Perhaps we have people with TOO corporate an attitude. People who want to be in charge with no "big brother" Air Force looking over their shoulder. They WANT to be independent and free of the USAF.

I, for one, want it dramatically opposite. I am IN the corporate world, an executive, and I partly joined the CAP to get back to the military in some way, no some corporate Boy Scout troop.

BTW..I grew up in CAL, spent almost 20 years there, and made the "hideous" comment. I stand by that, that uniform is HIDEOUS. I am entitled to my opinion and will stick by it. I will say this, if my wing mandates that for GT's than I will remain aircrew.

We need to bash California - they force everyone working on a SAR to sign up as a State Disaster Response Worker (even out of state augmentees) so they can be covered with workman's comp and liability insurance.  Shame on them. 

Quote from: arajca on March 01, 2008, 08:45:53 PM
Blue cold weather cap for service dress. Passed.

I have been wearing this (USAF Blue Cold Weather Cap) but I have not seen any document actually authorizing its wear. I understand wear was approved at the 2008 winter board... anyone know if there is documentation anywhere saying that it's OK to wear?

I am keeping a running tally.  This is the 4th item that I know of that is NB passed, but no other action to notify the membership or update regulation.

The other question is whether it is worn with the large metal CAP eagle on the front (same as the big round combination cap) or not.

Quote from: cnitas on March 24, 2009, 03:31:21 PM
I am keeping a running tally.  This is the 4th item that I know of that is NB passed, but no other action to notify the membership or update regulation.

Let me guess - is one of the other ones the "bronze star on commander's commendation when awarded by a region commander," also approved at the 2008 winter NB?

I was a GTM/GTL in the CA Wing from about 1975-1991. IIRC, the reason for the change to CALTRANS orange and blue was safety - in the woods!!!

Somebody diidn't want the CAP to look like LEO's when "in the woods" in certain areas.Folks were know to shoot at the camo'ed LEO's looing for "wacky backy" groves.

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Quote from: cnitas on March 24, 2009, 03:31:21 PM
I am keeping a running tally.  This is the 4th item that I know of that is NB passed, but no other action to notify the membership or update regulation.

Let me guess - is one of the other ones the "bronze star on commander's commendation when awarded by a region commander," also approved at the 2008 winter NB?

No, but I can certianly add it to my list.