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Started by ♠SARKID♠, December 04, 2007, 02:27:03 AM

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ddelaney103

Quote from: Eclipse on December 06, 2007, 09:03:12 PM
Quote from: jimmydeanno on December 06, 2007, 08:02:20 PM
7.36.2. Military personnel passing an uncased US flag salute approximately six paces before reaching the flag and hold the salute until they have passed approximately six paces beyond it. Likewise, when an uncased US flag passes by, military personnel salute approximately six paces before the flag is even with them and hold the salute until the flag has passed approximately six paces beyond them.

So now I'm a little confused - it seems we've answered the flag pole question, lighted or otherwise, however...

By "uncased" I assume they are referring to flags being carried in parades, etc., or maybe carried folded?

What other circumstances would this require a salute?  Sitting folded on a table?  And does the indoor / outdoor "no salute" rule come into play?

Colors are "cased" when they are rolled up covered with a canvas tube.  Part of the flag manual of arms is casing and uncasing the colors.  Once the cover is on, you do not salute that flag if it passes by or you pass by it.

Eclipse

Quote from: ddelaney103 on December 06, 2007, 09:21:21 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on December 06, 2007, 09:03:12 PM
Quote from: jimmydeanno on December 06, 2007, 08:02:20 PM
7.36.2. Military personnel passing an uncased US flag salute approximately six paces before reaching the flag and hold the salute until they have passed approximately six paces beyond it. Likewise, when an uncased US flag passes by, military personnel salute approximately six paces before the flag is even with them and hold the salute until the flag has passed approximately six paces beyond them.

So now I'm a little confused - it seems we've answered the flag pole question, lighted or otherwise, however...

By "uncased" I assume they are referring to flags being carried in parades, etc., or maybe carried folded?

What other circumstances would this require a salute?  Sitting folded on a table?  And does the indoor / outdoor "no salute" rule come into play?

Colors are "cased" when they are rolled up covered with a canvas tube.  Part of the flag manual of arms is casing and uncasing the colors.  Once the cover is on, you do not salute that flag if it passes by or you pass by it.

Right, but I'm sure almost every unit in the country has a us flag posted somewhere as a matter of course, would the expectation here be that every time you pass it you're supposed to salute?

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ddelaney103

Quote from: Eclipse on December 06, 2007, 09:28:32 PM
Quote from: ddelaney103 on December 06, 2007, 09:21:21 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on December 06, 2007, 09:03:12 PM
Quote from: jimmydeanno on December 06, 2007, 08:02:20 PM
7.36.2. Military personnel passing an uncased US flag salute approximately six paces before reaching the flag and hold the salute until they have passed approximately six paces beyond it. Likewise, when an uncased US flag passes by, military personnel salute approximately six paces before the flag is even with them and hold the salute until the flag has passed approximately six paces beyond them.

So now I'm a little confused - it seems we've answered the flag pole question, lighted or otherwise, however...

By "uncased" I assume they are referring to flags being carried in parades, etc., or maybe carried folded?

What other circumstances would this require a salute?  Sitting folded on a table?  And does the indoor / outdoor "no salute" rule come into play?

Colors are "cased" when they are rolled up covered with a canvas tube.  Part of the flag manual of arms is casing and uncasing the colors.  Once the cover is on, you do not salute that flag if it passes by or you pass by it.

Right, but I'm sure almost every unit in the country has a us flag posted somewhere as a matter of course, would the expectation here be that every time you pass it you're supposed to salute?

No, because colors that can't be cased, such as a 20' pole, can't be uncased.  Also, you don't salute indoors, except for ceremonies.  In the case I described as a Cadet, the basketball court/parade deck was declared "outdoors" for D&C purposes.

Eclipse


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Quote from: Eclipse on December 06, 2007, 07:47:45 PM
Quote from: NERMA002 Safety on December 06, 2007, 04:57:20 PM
Well there are some times you do pass within 6 pases of a flag pole.  I know one place I'd pass by on my way to my car so I could get to the meetings and I was maybe 3 pases if that out.  So one day I counted out the pases so I could be in regulation and salute it.

And which reg would that be, exactly?  Could you cite, please?

Also, is this 6 paces horizontal or vertical?

Well no reg, this is most likely the Myth of the 6 paces that has been promogated.  As per the 6 paces I pass withing 2 feet of the base of the flag pole outside a federal courthouse.  Granted it was usually after 1630 when I'd pass it in uniform but the flag was still flying so I would always salute it.

1st Lt Ricky Walsh, CAP
Boston Cadet Squadron
NER-MA002 SE, AEO & ESO

lordmonar

Quote from: ♠SARKID♠ on December 06, 2007, 06:45:59 AM
Okay, fine, let me put it this way.  In a hypothetical world with a hypothetical flag and a hypothetical reg that says you DO salute flags on hypothetical flag poles where if the hypothetical flag wasn't lit, would you hypothetically salute it, or not.

Hypothetically...

I already answered this one....if you would salute the flag in the light....you would salute the flag in the dark.

So...for instance...your squadron is doing a formal flag raising or lowering and it is after sunset.  You would salute it just like you would have done at 1600 before the sun went down.

PATRICK M. HARRIS, SMSgt, CAP

SamFranklin

I heard that we're getting out early cause of the snow.

mikeylikey

Quote from: magoo on December 07, 2007, 02:10:27 AM
I heard that we're getting out early cause of the snow.

No.  ??  Maybe,    ok
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SARMedTech

Quote from: JThemann on December 04, 2007, 02:54:42 AM
If the flagging is being raised, or lowered, yes.

You never salute a flag that's just on the pole.

Furthermore, in the sea services, if the flag is not currently flying, you turn toward the fan tail, where it would be if it were flying, and render a salute.
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Quote from: SARMedTech on December 07, 2007, 05:11:06 AM
Quote from: JThemann on December 04, 2007, 02:54:42 AM
If the flagging is being raised, or lowered, yes.

You never salute a flag that's just on the pole.

Furthermore, in the sea services, if the flag is not currently flying, you turn toward the fan tail, where it would be if it were flying, and render a salute.

Ummm, I don't recall the saluting between evening and morning colors thing. Yes, face the fantail, and pause, but no salute. And I still do that today, any time of the day, when going aboard "my boat", the Midway, even though she's now a museum. Hard habit to let go.
Dave Bowles
Maj, CAP
AT1, USN Retired
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stillamarine

Quote from: SarDragon on December 07, 2007, 01:58:49 PM
Quote from: SARMedTech on December 07, 2007, 05:11:06 AM
Quote from: JThemann on December 04, 2007, 02:54:42 AM
If the flagging is being raised, or lowered, yes.

You never salute a flag that's just on the pole.

Furthermore, in the sea services, if the flag is not currently flying, you turn toward the fan tail, where it would be if it were flying, and render a salute.

Ummm, I don't recall the saluting between evening and morning colors thing. Yes, face the fantail, and pause, but no salute. And I still do that today, any time of the day, when going aboard "my boat", the Midway, even though she's now a museum. Hard habit to let go.

I remember it that way as well. ALTHOUGH, most of the time I was crossing the quarterdeck, I was always too inibierated to think beyond saying the right thing to the OOD!
Tim Gardiner, 1st LT, CAP

USMC AD 1996-2001
USMCR    2001-2005  Admiral, Great State of Nebraska Navy  MS, MO, UDF
tim.gardiner@gmail.com