Masks to be required at 2022 National Conference

Started by Eclipse, August 14, 2022, 08:09:26 PM

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FlyingPig

#20
Quote from: Eclipse on August 14, 2022, 08:09:26 PMhttps://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/members/events/2022-national-conference



Also interesting is now members are "Teammates"? Is that the corporatespeak term of 2022?
At least it's not "Airmen".

The Air Force does this pretty regular now.  Its annoying.  At my unit, the Commander and the Chief say it a lot.  Plus the CMSGT of the Air Force is big on "Teammates".  Its how she addresses us in pretty much every piece of written communication she puts out whether official, on social media or in person.
Robert Steht, Capt.
Mission Pilot/CD Pilot
CFI Airplane / CFI Helicopter
Former Sq. Commander

FlyingPig

#21
Quote from: Eclipse on August 14, 2022, 08:09:26 PMhttps://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/members/events/2022-national-conference

Our colleagues who have traveled to large gatherings outside CAP have contracted COVID-19. None of those events required masks.

Masking at large summer activities has minimized the spread of COVID-19 and allowed us to accomplish our mission(s).

We held a Command Council Meeting wearing masks in Washington, D.C., during a period of high transmission, and COVID-19 didn't spread.

Highly scientific... I fly EMS helicopters all over the US, we arent required to wear masks when we fly patients and about 99% of us dont wear masks at all.  Hospitals are starting to dump them unless your in direct patient contact. Some I go to dont care if you wear a mask at all.   Our bases arent being closed for COVID nor is my company of almost 5000 people seeing any concerning rates of COVID around the line bases.   We arent masking at drill anymore, we are eating in the DFAC unmasked.  At work (medical) we are having conferences and very large training events where masks are no longer required, airline training centers, flightsafety, airports, airlines, law enforcement, fire, corrections.  Nobody is requiring masks anymore unless a person individually wants to... but CAP has decided that based on "data" that they difinitively stop COVID.   If CAP still feels they are needed going on year 3, then go for it.   Id go with Eclipses suggestion, if, this is still a concern to the point where you are requiring masks, where most of the US has dumped them, then Id suggest not having it. 
Robert Steht, Capt.
Mission Pilot/CD Pilot
CFI Airplane / CFI Helicopter
Former Sq. Commander

Fubar

Quote from: FlyingPig on August 22, 2022, 09:08:19 PMId go with Eclipses suggestion, if, this is still a concern to the point where you are requiring masks, where most of the US has dumped them, then Id suggest not having it. 

I think being concerned about COVID isn't being unreasonable, especially since you can mitigate the risk fairly successfully. Last summer we made it through a number of encampments and NCSAs with a fairly low spread of COVID at our activities and masks were required during those activities. This summer CAP saw a dramatic increase in cases of COVID spreading at CAP activities now that nobody is wearing masks. It's a pretty easy differential to spot.

I don't think anybody thinks masks protect you from catching COVID while in public or at an activity, but it does help prevent it from spreading. It is interesting that even after the first few summer activities saw many of them labeled as "super-spreader" events, a mid-course correction to require masks again was never implemented. Perhaps other issues with food preparation and the increase in disciplinary issues kept everyone too busy to also implement would have been an unpopular change. This is just purely a guess, but perhaps the rule change for the conference has to do with our conference goers tend to skew "high-risk" in age and simply wearing a mask to help protect your fellow volunteers isn't too much to ask.

It will be interesting to hear how enforcement of mask wearing goes since CAP rarely successfully enforces any other rules or regulations. Imagine the irony of the severely overweight member wearing blues being admonished for not wearing a mask.

FlyingPig

Quote from: Fubar on August 23, 2022, 02:12:58 AM
Quote from: FlyingPig on August 22, 2022, 09:08:19 PMId go with Eclipses suggestion, if, this is still a concern to the point where you are requiring masks, where most of the US has dumped them, then Id suggest not having it. 

It will be interesting to hear how enforcement of mask wearing goes since CAP rarely successfully enforces any other rules or regulations. Imagine the irony of the severely overweight member wearing blues being admonished for not wearing a mask.

Knowing CAP, the mask wear enforcement will be the central focus of the event. 
Robert Steht, Capt.
Mission Pilot/CD Pilot
CFI Airplane / CFI Helicopter
Former Sq. Commander

NovemberWhiskey

Anecdotally, the overlap of older / more overweight / sicker (because older) / unvaccinated is both a non-trivial part of the CAP demographic and tending towards the worst-case for severe Covid outcomes.

PHall

Quote from: Fubar on August 23, 2022, 02:12:58 AM
Quote from: FlyingPig on August 22, 2022, 09:08:19 PMId go with Eclipses suggestion, if, this is still a concern to the point where you are requiring masks, where most of the US has dumped them, then Id suggest not having it. 

I think being concerned about COVID isn't being unreasonable, especially since you can mitigate the risk fairly successfully. Last summer we made it through a number of encampments and NCSAs with a fairly low spread of COVID at our activities and masks were required during those activities. This summer CAP saw a dramatic increase in cases of COVID spreading at CAP activities now that nobody is wearing masks. It's a pretty easy differential to spot.

I don't think anybody thinks masks protect you from catching COVID while in public or at an activity, but it does help prevent it from spreading. It is interesting that even after the first few summer activities saw many of them labeled as "super-spreader" events, a mid-course correction to require masks again was never implemented. Perhaps other issues with food preparation and the increase in disciplinary issues kept everyone too busy to also implement would have been an unpopular change. This is just purely a guess, but perhaps the rule change for the conference has to do with our conference goers tend to skew "high-risk" in age and simply wearing a mask to help protect your fellow volunteers isn't too much to ask.

It will be interesting to hear how enforcement of mask wearing goes since CAP rarely successfully enforces any other rules or regulations. Imagine the irony of the severely overweight member wearing blues being admonished for not wearing a mask.


CAWG required masks indoors at their encampment this year. As of this moment no reported cases of Covid.
And we had 228 students and 78 cadre.

Toad1168

Quote from: PHall on August 23, 2022, 04:59:06 PM
Quote from: Fubar on August 23, 2022, 02:12:58 AM
Quote from: FlyingPig on August 22, 2022, 09:08:19 PMId go with Eclipses suggestion, if, this is still a concern to the point where you are requiring masks, where most of the US has dumped them, then Id suggest not having it. 

I think being concerned about COVID isn't being unreasonable, especially since you can mitigate the risk fairly successfully. Last summer we made it through a number of encampments and NCSAs with a fairly low spread of COVID at our activities and masks were required during those activities. This summer CAP saw a dramatic increase in cases of COVID spreading at CAP activities now that nobody is wearing masks. It's a pretty easy differential to spot.

I don't think anybody thinks masks protect you from catching COVID while in public or at an activity, but it does help prevent it from spreading. It is interesting that even after the first few summer activities saw many of them labeled as "super-spreader" events, a mid-course correction to require masks again was never implemented. Perhaps other issues with food preparation and the increase in disciplinary issues kept everyone too busy to also implement would have been an unpopular change. This is just purely a guess, but perhaps the rule change for the conference has to do with our conference goers tend to skew "high-risk" in age and simply wearing a mask to help protect your fellow volunteers isn't too much to ask.

It will be interesting to hear how enforcement of mask wearing goes since CAP rarely successfully enforces any other rules or regulations. Imagine the irony of the severely overweight member wearing blues being admonished for not wearing a mask.


CAWG required masks indoors at their encampment this year. As of this moment no reported cases of Covid.
And we had 228 students and 78 cadre.

Missouri Wing did not require masks at encampment.  200 personnel, used normal mitigation techniques such as hand sanitizer.  No instance of Covid. 
Toad

PHall

Quote from: Toad1168 on August 23, 2022, 07:59:56 PM
Quote from: PHall on August 23, 2022, 04:59:06 PM
Quote from: Fubar on August 23, 2022, 02:12:58 AM
Quote from: FlyingPig on August 22, 2022, 09:08:19 PMId go with Eclipses suggestion, if, this is still a concern to the point where you are requiring masks, where most of the US has dumped them, then Id suggest not having it. 

I think being concerned about COVID isn't being unreasonable, especially since you can mitigate the risk fairly successfully. Last summer we made it through a number of encampments and NCSAs with a fairly low spread of COVID at our activities and masks were required during those activities. This summer CAP saw a dramatic increase in cases of COVID spreading at CAP activities now that nobody is wearing masks. It's a pretty easy differential to spot.

I don't think anybody thinks masks protect you from catching COVID while in public or at an activity, but it does help prevent it from spreading. It is interesting that even after the first few summer activities saw many of them labeled as "super-spreader" events, a mid-course correction to require masks again was never implemented. Perhaps other issues with food preparation and the increase in disciplinary issues kept everyone too busy to also implement would have been an unpopular change. This is just purely a guess, but perhaps the rule change for the conference has to do with our conference goers tend to skew "high-risk" in age and simply wearing a mask to help protect your fellow volunteers isn't too much to ask.

It will be interesting to hear how enforcement of mask wearing goes since CAP rarely successfully enforces any other rules or regulations. Imagine the irony of the severely overweight member wearing blues being admonished for not wearing a mask.


CAWG required masks indoors at their encampment this year. As of this moment no reported cases of Covid.
And we had 228 students and 78 cadre.

Missouri Wing did not require masks at encampment.  200 personnel, used normal mitigation techniques such as hand sanitizer.  No instance of Covid. 

We did as we were directed by the Wing Commander and the Wing Health Services Officer. Wasn't worth a fight.

FlyingPig

Well the good news is a CAP Health Services Officer finally found something to do.
Robert Steht, Capt.
Mission Pilot/CD Pilot
CFI Airplane / CFI Helicopter
Former Sq. Commander

PHall

Quote from: FlyingPig on August 23, 2022, 10:06:21 PMWell the good news is a CAP Health Services Officer finally found something to do.

He's also a Group Commander in his spare time.

FlyingPig

It should probably read "Hes a health services officer in his spare time".   ;D
Robert Steht, Capt.
Mission Pilot/CD Pilot
CFI Airplane / CFI Helicopter
Former Sq. Commander

PHall

Quote from: FlyingPig on August 24, 2022, 04:10:10 PMIt should probably read "Hes a health services officer in his spare time".   ;D

Well in his "real" life he is an MD.

FlyingPig

#32
Im always amazed at the 180 deg opinions on masking between doctors and hospitals.   For the most part, at least the ones I fly into, few people to no people wear masks, they are pretty much gone in the states I fly in, but then CAP has activities in those same states where CAP mandates them    Maybe at some point we'll be past wearing bandanas around our faces like we work in coal miners
Robert Steht, Capt.
Mission Pilot/CD Pilot
CFI Airplane / CFI Helicopter
Former Sq. Commander

NovemberWhiskey

Photos up on FB from NHQ for NatConf - adherence to mandatory masking is ... variable ... it seems.

Eclipse

Quote from: NovemberWhiskey on August 26, 2022, 03:29:14 PMPhotos up on FB from NHQ for NatConf - adherence to mandatory masking is ... variable ... it seems.

Pretty much exactly as predicted...

https://photos.cap.gov/National-Conferences/2022

"That Others May Zoom"

CAP9907

Quote from: Eclipse on August 26, 2022, 05:23:03 PM
Quote from: NovemberWhiskey on August 26, 2022, 03:29:14 PMPhotos up on FB from NHQ for NatConf - adherence to mandatory masking is ... variable ... it seems.

Pretty much exactly as predicted...

https://photos.cap.gov/National-Conferences/2022

That's about right for CAP
21 yrs of service

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PHall

Quote from: CAP9907 on August 26, 2022, 06:27:43 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on August 26, 2022, 05:23:03 PM
Quote from: NovemberWhiskey on August 26, 2022, 03:29:14 PMPhotos up on FB from NHQ for NatConf - adherence to mandatory masking is ... variable ... it seems.

Pretty much exactly as predicted...

https://photos.cap.gov/National-Conferences/2022

That's about right for CAP


That's about right for anywhere. CAP isn't special.

FlyingPig

Based on information from imbedded informants on scene, masking is 50/50 and nobody cares.  That warms my heart honestly.   I stand corrected believing it would be a big deal.
Robert Steht, Capt.
Mission Pilot/CD Pilot
CFI Airplane / CFI Helicopter
Former Sq. Commander

UWONGO2

Quote from: NovemberWhiskey on August 26, 2022, 03:29:14 PMPhotos up on FB from NHQ for NatConf - adherence to mandatory masking is ... variable ... it seems.

Everyone was informed right off the top that removing masks for photos was encouraged and that nobody would be running around telling people to honor the core values of CAP and follow the guidance of their leaders.

On the first day (Friday) pretty much everyone complied, by today (Saturday) after the big gathering in the morning, few people are complying. While no different than other conferences I've attended, CAP better should never suggest their core values somehow differentiates them from other organizations.

PHall

Quote from: UWONGO2 on August 27, 2022, 07:58:11 PM
Quote from: NovemberWhiskey on August 26, 2022, 03:29:14 PMPhotos up on FB from NHQ for NatConf - adherence to mandatory masking is ... variable ... it seems.

Everyone was informed right off the top that removing masks for photos was encouraged and that nobody would be running around telling people to honor the core values of CAP and follow the guidance of their leaders.

On the first day (Friday) pretty much everyone complied, by today (Saturday) after the big gathering in the morning, few people are complying. While no different than other conferences I've attended, CAP better should never suggest their core values somehow differentiates them from other organizations.


It's about the only enforcement mechanism they got. It's not like we have the UCMJ hanging over us.