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Title: ***WARNING***
Post by: Stonewall on August 22, 2007, 09:04:57 PM
I just got placed on 4 more days of "staying at home doing nothing" by my doctor followed by an MRI and bone density test, followed by "light limited duty" until we get my back fixed.  He also prescribed me some better drugs.  So if you experience my post count going up or slurred typing with irrational claims of inventing things like the question mark, please ignore me.

This is only a ***WARNING***.

I have drill this weekend where I'm sure I'll be sitting there at a computer since I can't do much of anything... Grrrr....  I AM NOT GETTING OLD!!!!!!
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: ELTHunter on August 22, 2007, 09:08:49 PM
Starts about 35 and goes down hill from there:)
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: Stonewall on August 22, 2007, 09:09:46 PM
I just turned 35 last month.....  NO!  I REFUSE!!!
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: addo1 on August 22, 2007, 09:11:46 PM
  Hope your back gets better..  And- HEY, I enjoy your comments!!!
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: JC004 on August 22, 2007, 09:12:15 PM
 :)
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: ELTHunter on August 22, 2007, 09:26:08 PM
I was 33 when I joined CAP.  I started running and working out and lost 40 pounds in like four months.  Now I'm 42.  I still run 2 - 3 miles every other day but on a tread mill, otherwise my knees swell up and give me trouble.  Now it would take me about a year to lose 40 pounds.  I can still keep up with the cadets on a cross country hump, and even out walk most of them  I can keep pace with my best ones on push-ups and sit-ups.  However, the recovery time is longer.  The ground is also a lot harder now then is was 9 years ago:)  The last training camp I went to back in April, I had a cadet show up without the required documentation.  Being the nice Officer that I am, and after throughly chastising them for failure to report with the required paperwork, I went home and printed it out so they could participate.  It just happened to give me an excuse to sleep in a bed.  I guess that officially made me a Senior Member:)

It's comin for you buddy and there's no stopping it.
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: Stonewall on August 22, 2007, 09:32:37 PM
Hey, I'm healthy and in shape.  I pass my police departments physical agility test with flying colors, the AF PT test no problem and I work out at least 4 days a week, mostly cardio.  Obviously no PT in the past 2 weeks and I'm feeling it.  I'm no superman and don't care to show off my love handles, but I can definately hold my own.  In fact, after moving down to Florida from DC just over a year ago, I've lost 10 or so pounds.

I will win!
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: mikeylikey on August 22, 2007, 09:34:47 PM
Quote from: Stonewall on August 22, 2007, 09:32:37 PM
  In fact, after moving down to Florida from DC just over a year ago, I've lost 10 or so pounds.

I will win!

The heat will do that to person.  Sweat it off     ;D
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: Stonewall on August 22, 2007, 09:37:10 PM
Heat mixed with wearing body armor all the time is like wearing one of those Richard Simmons elastic weight loss bands all the time. What was it called, the Belly Burner or something...
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: MIKE on August 22, 2007, 09:44:56 PM
So, how did you screw up your back?
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: mikeylikey on August 22, 2007, 09:46:08 PM
Quote from: MIKE on August 22, 2007, 09:44:56 PM
So, how did you screw up your back?
Quote from: Stonewall on August 22, 2007, 09:37:10 PM
Heat mixed with... Richard Simmons elastic weight loss bands

:)
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: Stonewall on August 22, 2007, 10:00:27 PM
Quote from: MIKE on August 22, 2007, 09:44:56 PM
So, how did you screw up your back?

I wish I had some high speed story like I did a swan dive out of our squadron's C-172 or kicked a door in at work and got my butt handed to me by a dude on meth.  Truth is, I haven't got a clue.

X-rays revealed a compression fracture in L1, something that probably happened in a car accident or jumping years ago.  Apparently they can remain "dormant" for years then one small move can aggravate them causing sever pain and spasms.  The pain is seriously intense, like I verbally express how I feel a few times a day.  Today, doc almost had me in tears as he poked and prodded.  Thought he was having fun... 

Anyhoo, it sucks and I want to be at work, surfing, picking up my son or simply mowing the lawn.  I'm sure I'm on my wife's last nerve.  I know I'm on mine.
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: jimmydeanno on August 22, 2007, 10:10:43 PM
Kirt,

I know exactly how you feel.  About 10 years ago, I had L-2 slip.  Not sure how, it just "happened."  The only reason I noticed was because my legs would tingle after a few minutes of standing up.

Anyway, once diagnosed, I underwent a spinal fusion that fused L-1 to L-2 and L-2 to L-3 using some bone chips, a few steel rods, some screws and wire.  I was about an inch taller after that surgery.

It took about 6 months to completely recover from the surgery, I had to wear a brace and couldn't lift anything more than 5 pounds for a while.

I do still have some complications with it, like if I over exert myself, I get really bad sciatica and can't walk, but as long as I take an aleve first, I'm good to go.  My doctore recommended I use some COX-3 inhibitor to stop myself from getting ulcers from the amount of aleve I was using, but I have become more "aware" of triggers and try to avoid them as best as possible.

Get well buddy - and follow all your doctor's directions, no matter how good you feel, it could mean the difference between weeks off your feet again.

Best of Luck.
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: JAFO78 on August 22, 2007, 11:01:49 PM
Hey Kirt, Where in FL are you. My family moved here in Feb. the 14th in fact. We are finally moving into a house after 6 months. I hope to be back in CAP inside of 60 days. We are in Kissimmee.

Hope you feel well soon. I was out Work comp for 130 days sucked Big Time
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: Stonewall on August 22, 2007, 11:25:29 PM
North of you bro, in Jacksonville.

I just got off the phone with my buddy in Gainesville who asked if I could teach at the CLS at MacDill over Labor Day weekend, so if you're around, stop by down there.

Don't know anyone in Orlando but I have a friend that was in Seminole Cadet Squadron years ago and said it was a good place.
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: SJFedor on August 22, 2007, 11:36:29 PM
I've got a few friends going to school down that way, one at JU. I'll hafta buy you a beer next time I'm down there.

Here's a story that, although I know you're in massive amounts of pain, might make you feel a bit better.

We had a dude roll into the trauma center about 6 months ago via helicopter, single person motorcycle wreck. Luckily, was wearing a helmet, but the [darn]est thing happened. His skull and C1 were about an inch apart, detatched, but the spinal cord was still intact! I wish i had a picture of the lateral x-ray, it's the freakiest thing you ever saw.

Followed up eventually, he actually survived the surgery, no paralysis, but is a bit taller and doesn't have much range of motion with his head. I believe he's still in a halo, too.

Hope you feel better, enjoy the *legal* narcotics!
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: bosshawk on August 22, 2007, 11:57:41 PM
Stonewall: I can sympathize with you.  I had back surgery at age 32 to repair the disc at L-5.  Perfect recovery: never have looked back.  Have to watch what I try to lift, but that should be true for everyone.  Three and a half years ago, had a total knee replacement due to arthritis: partly caused by running.  Had an MRI yesterday and the other knee has to go.  I will be getting closer to being the bionic man.  Of course, I am several decades older than you.

Take the advice somebody else gave you and pay attention to what your doctor tells you.
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: LtCol White on August 23, 2007, 12:23:15 AM
Hang in there Kirt and I hope you get better soon.
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: PHall on August 23, 2007, 01:07:45 AM
Quote from: Stonewall on August 22, 2007, 09:09:46 PM
I just turned 35 last month.....  NO!  I REFUSE!!!

Remember Kirt, growing older is mandatory. Growing up is optional.
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: Dustoff on August 23, 2007, 02:04:41 AM
And they both beat the alternative.......................

      ;D

Jim
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: SARMedTech on August 23, 2007, 03:39:07 AM
Kirt-

For a flight to Florida and a place to bunk, Ill give you 3 a day acupressure treatments that will have you on your feet and feeling no pain inside a week. I advertise in the local uniform shop and treat fire fighters and LEOs several times a week. Ive even worked on a LE k-9 (retired) for hip dysplasia. He didnt bite me and started walking better in about 12 hours. I dont claim to have eliminated the dysplasia, but now he can enjoy his retirement in comfort.
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: NIN on August 23, 2007, 04:24:22 AM
Kirt, you wimp.

I turned 40 last year, looking down the barrel of 41 in 3 more weeks. Ugh.

I go out and fling my pink body out of planes and then arrest my fall with some nylon & string.  Sometimes that "arresting" is fairly gentle.  Other times, its awfully violent.

2 jumps ago it was EXTREMELY violent and that canopy is going to go where old canopies go to be made into parachute pants or car covers.  I'm glad I didn't injure myself just on opening, but I could have.  That would be bad.

But I've realized that in the last few years, I'm not as resilient as I once was.  Bummer...



Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: mikeylikey on August 23, 2007, 01:13:12 PM
Quote from: NIN on August 23, 2007, 04:24:22 AM
Kirt, you wimp.

I turned 40 last year, looking down the barrel of 41 in 3 more weeks. Ugh.

I go out and fling my pink body out of planes and then arrest my fall with some nylon & string.  Sometimes that "arresting" is fairly gentle.  Other times, its awfully violent.

2 jumps ago it was EXTREMELY violent and that canopy is going to go where old canopies go to be made into parachute pants or car covers.  I'm glad I didn't injure myself just on opening, but I could have.  That would be bad.

But I've realized that in the last few years, I'm not as resilient as I once was.  Bummer...

Awesome!  Not getting hurt, but the jumping part. 
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: Hawk200 on August 23, 2007, 01:52:49 PM
Quote from: NIN on August 23, 2007, 04:24:22 AM
Kirt, you wimp.

I turned 40 last year, looking down the barrel of 41 in 3 more weeks. Ugh.....

.....But I've realized that in the last few years, I'm not as resilient as I once was.  Bummer...

I'm only a couple years from 40, and I've noticed the slowdown. Was talking to someone yesterday about the things to do while you're young. We came to the conclusion that you should do all your college and higher impact fun stuff when you're in your twenties. Cause after that, it ain't as easy to bounce back.
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: mikeylikey on August 23, 2007, 02:29:40 PM
^ So......beer and pizza everynight while you are in your twenties!  I should be golden when I turn 40 then.
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: Pylon on August 23, 2007, 02:32:52 PM
Quote from: mikeylikey on August 23, 2007, 02:29:40 PM
^ So......beer and pizza everynight while you are in your twenties!  I should be golden when I turn 40 then.

.....Well, the inside of your arteries might have a pretty golden coating on them....
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: Skyray on August 23, 2007, 03:56:11 PM
I turned 41 on my first honeymoon.  You might say I was a late bloomer.
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: Stonewall on October 03, 2007, 06:41:33 PM
Welp, not to bump this bad boy up, but as an update, I'll be getting surgery in the next month.  Until then, I can't do squat.  Doc is telling me I should be 100% in about 4 months.  Until then, they upped my meds.  Disregard any random posts that may or may not make sense.
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: NIN on October 03, 2007, 06:46:45 PM
Quote from: Stonewall on October 03, 2007, 06:41:33 PM
Welp, not to bump this bad boy up, but as an update, I'll be getting surgery in the next month.  Until then, I can't do squat.  Doc is telling me I should be 100% in about 4 months.  Until then, they upped my meds.  Disregard any random posts that may or may not make sense.

Mmmmm, upped meds..

Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: SDF_Specialist on October 03, 2007, 06:52:50 PM
Quote from: Stonewall on August 22, 2007, 09:04:57 PM
So if you experience my post count going up or slurred typing with irrational claims of inventing things like the question mark, please ignore me.

You did not invent the question mark, I did. However, the exclaimation point is up for grabs ;D
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: Nomex Maximus on October 03, 2007, 07:41:46 PM
Quote from: Stonewall on August 22, 2007, 09:32:37 PM
don't care to show off my love handles, but I can definately hold my own. 

I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT YOU HOLDING YOUR LOVE HANDLE! EEEEWWWWWW!!!!
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: Skyray on October 03, 2007, 08:16:56 PM
Love handles make a really nice almost painless place to put the insulin.
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: JohnKachenmeister on October 03, 2007, 08:21:40 PM
Quote from: Stonewall on August 22, 2007, 10:00:27 PM
Quote from: MIKE on August 22, 2007, 09:44:56 PM
So, how did you screw up your back?

I wish I had some high speed story like I did a swan dive out of our squadron's C-172 or kicked a door in at work and got my butt handed to me by a dude on meth.  Truth is, I haven't got a clue.

X-rays revealed a compression fracture in L1, something that probably happened in a car accident or jumping years ago.  Apparently they can remain "dormant" for years then one small move can aggravate them causing sever pain and spasms.  The pain is seriously intense, like I verbally express how I feel a few times a day.  Today, doc almost had me in tears as he poked and prodded.  Thought he was having fun... 

Anyhoo, it sucks and I want to be at work, surfing, picking up my son or simply mowing the lawn.  I'm sure I'm on my wife's last nerve.  I know I'm on mine.

Every paratrooper I've ever known has needed back surgery when he reached his mid-to-late 30's.
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: JAFO78 on October 03, 2007, 08:32:52 PM
Hey Kirt, I can feel some of your pain. I fell at work and and now a proud owner of a level 2 tear to my left knee, right side. I have done 2 rounds of x-rays and a MRI. Talked to the Ortho Doc last week and I get a knee brace Thursday. I have to wear this for the next 2 or 3 months.

I have pain pills but try not to take them. They gave me anti-inflammatory pills for the first 2 weeks then the Dr took me off them. Every time I move I feel like my wife just kicked me in the knee. 

Next month I will be up in your neck of the woods with my 13 yr old son and his Sea Cadets class on a tour of the Navy Base.

Hope you feel better soon. Thank God for the internet.
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: SDF_Specialist on October 03, 2007, 08:37:19 PM
I feel all of your pains too. Back in 2000, I flipped a four-wheeler and really messed by back up. Every so often, it goes out for anywhere between 5 minutes to a week. I just recently had it go out on me, then spasm everytime I tried to get up. Nothing else worked, so Cleveland EMS took me to the hospital for a nice shot of demoral, and some viccodin. Hopefully, my wife will get this job that she's up for, and we'll get some benefits. When that happens, it off to the doctor I go to see what exactly is wrong, and what I can do, or have done to fix it.
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: Stonewall on October 03, 2007, 08:48:11 PM
Quote from: RobG on October 03, 2007, 08:32:52 PMNext month I will be up in your neck of the woods with my 13 yr old son and his Sea Cadets class on a tour of the Navy Base.

Which base?  I'm 5 miles from Mayport and 25 from NAS Jacksonville.
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: JAFO78 on October 03, 2007, 08:52:15 PM
I think it will be NAS Jacksonville, 3 Nov. 07. Day trip I think, come up from Kissimmee.
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: shorning on October 03, 2007, 10:27:05 PM
Quote from: Stonewall on October 03, 2007, 06:41:33 PM
Disregard any random posts that may or may not make sense.

Wait...UK, this is new?   ;)
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: lordmonar on October 04, 2007, 01:27:01 AM
Quote from: Stonewall on August 22, 2007, 09:04:57 PM
I just got placed on 4 more days of "staying at home doing nothing" by my doctor followed by an MRI and bone density test, followed by "light limited duty" until we get my back fixed.  He also prescribed me some better drugs.  So if you experience my post count going up or slurred typing with irrational claims of inventing things like the question mark, please ignore me.

This is only a ***WARNING***.

I have drill this weekend where I'm sure I'll be sitting there at a computer since I can't do much of anything... Grrrr....  I AM NOT GETTING OLD!!!!!!

It brings a whole new meaning to "crossing over to the gray side!"  >:D
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: flyerthom on October 04, 2007, 03:01:17 AM
Quote from: Stonewall on October 03, 2007, 06:41:33 PM
Welp, not to bump this bad boy up, but as an update, I'll be getting surgery in the next month.  Until then, I can't do squat.  Doc is telling me I should be 100% in about 4 months.  Until then, they upped my meds.  Disregard any random posts that may or may not make sense.

Dude, lay off the twinkies man ...
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: Indaweeds on October 04, 2007, 03:11:45 AM
Colonel, before "sealing the deal" with surgery, if you have not already done so, please check out conservative spinal treatments such as mechanical traction (or, as it is sometimes referred to, "spinal decompression" - however, that term can sometimes be confusing as there is a  surgical procedure known as decompression).  Perhaps there's a physician's (D.O. or M.D.) practice near you that offers these types of treatments.
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: Fifinella on October 04, 2007, 03:51:49 AM
Quote from: Hawk200 on August 23, 2007, 01:52:49 PM
Quote from: NIN on August 23, 2007, 04:24:22 AM
.....But I've realized that in the last few years, I'm not as resilient as I once was.  Bummer...

I'm only a couple years from 40, and I've noticed the slowdown. Was talking to someone yesterday about the things to do while you're young. We came to the conclusion that you should do all your college and higher impact fun stuff when you're in your twenties. Cause after that, it ain't as easy to bounce back.

In the words of a song..."I ain't as good as I once was, but I'm as good once as I ever was."  Getting old ain't for sissies.

Be sure you get physical therapy as part of your treatment.  It's always helped me recover from my traumas.

Good luck, Ultimate Vicodin.  ;)
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: DogCollar on October 04, 2007, 02:47:06 PM
Col. Bowden,
So sorry to learn of your back difficulties.  It is no fun.  I'm nearly 47, so consider you a very young man still!  Wish you all the best.

I've had back problems over the years, nothing terribly serious.  My knees, however, are definitely troublesome.  Ugh.

Anyway, I wish I could tell you that reaching middle aged was a barrel of laughs and easy, however...it's not.  The body doesn't respond like it use to.  It takes longer, harder work to just stay in the shape you're in!  I'm probably not helping you feel anybetter, but letting you know rather, you have a lot of support from your "elders."

Bill
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: Stonewall on October 04, 2007, 11:00:38 PM
I've actually done pretty well so far, as far as "getting old".  I'm only 35, and while I've got a set of handles, it's not like they're huge.  I'm 6' 2" and weigh in between 205 and 210 depending on the time of year.  I porked up to 213 in the past 2 months with my back as I stopped working out but failed to lower my food intake.  I just didn't expect to be out of commission this long.  No problem, I'm cutting out about 1/3 of my food intake.

I'm planning to go to Raven school in 2008 so I have no choice but to get back into shape as soon as possible following surgery.  Need to be running 40 minute 5 miles again and maxing my push-ups and sit-ups.  If all goes well, I'll be there by spring.

Now, where's that steak?
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: Fifinella on October 05, 2007, 03:54:17 AM
Raven school?
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: PHall on October 05, 2007, 04:33:54 AM
Quote from: Fifinella on October 05, 2007, 03:54:17 AM
Raven school?

Cop in a flight suit to keep the riff raff away from the C-5 or C-17.
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: shorning on October 05, 2007, 04:35:06 AM
Quote from: Fifinella on October 05, 2007, 03:54:17 AM
Raven school?

RAVEN (http://www.amc.af.mil/library/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=238) school.
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: Stonewall on October 05, 2007, 11:48:05 AM
BTW, it's 3 weeks now.  Not sure if they're still 12 hour days, but I confirmed it's 3 weeks now.
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: NIN on October 05, 2007, 11:56:37 AM
Quote from: Stonewall on October 05, 2007, 11:48:05 AM
BTW, it's 3 weeks now.  Not sure if they're still 12 hour days, but I confirmed it's 3 weeks now.

/me covers his mouth in a vain attempt not to make a wisecrack about the "9 to 5 Air Force"

;D
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: Stonewall on October 05, 2007, 12:20:36 PM
Quote from: NIN on October 05, 2007, 11:56:37 AM
Quote from: Stonewall on October 05, 2007, 11:48:05 AM
BTW, it's 3 weeks now.  Not sure if they're still 12 hour days, but I confirmed it's 3 weeks now.

/me covers his mouth in a vain attempt not to make a wisecrack about the "9 to 5 Air Force"

;D

First off, it's "8 to 4", and that does include one hour of PT time and 30 minutes of lunch.  Around these parts though, I just see some 1 1/2 hour lunches.
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: gistek on October 07, 2007, 04:03:53 PM
I have a healed compression fracture in my neck. Over the years C4, 5, and 6 have fused and C1, 2, and 3 are compensating. My x-rays show wide spaces between the skull and the top three vertebrae - up to 1/2 inch.

Fortunately, since the fusion, I have significantly less neck pain, but I am more prone to positional nerve symptoms. (If I sleep in the wrong position my arms are numb and tingly when I wake. Other positions or activities can cause temporary loss of leg and/or arm movement/feeling.

I'm getting used to it and have removed myself from active ES until I know I'm stable enough to handle the requirements (like camping) associated with SAR missions.

I'm still able to train, and am trying to maintain my ratings on mission skills. I'm hoping to be back on the call-out list sometime next year.
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: JAFO78 on October 07, 2007, 04:26:01 PM
Kirt. Found out yesterday our trip to JAX is for the air show. They are undecided if it will be a day trip or if we will be staying on base at BLQ over night.
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: Stonewall on October 07, 2007, 06:52:39 PM
Quote from: RobG on October 07, 2007, 04:26:01 PM
Kirt. Found out yesterday our trip to JAX is for the air show. They are undecided if it will be a day trip or if we will be staying on base at BLQ over night.

Rob, which Air Show?  I didn't know there was an airshow going on up here (down here for everyone else outside of FL).

I heard about one at Mayport, but don't know any specifics.  I can't imagine the base having enough space to house you guys with all the TDYers here for the show.  Never know.
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: JAFO78 on October 07, 2007, 09:40:50 PM
Jacksonville Sea & Sky Spectacular
November 2-4, 2007
Jacksonville Beach Oceanfront
Free Admission

The Blue Angles are going to be there!!!!!!

Not sure of the number of people going. The LT said if we can get a place to sleep we would spend the night, other wise it will just be a day trip.
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: JAFO78 on October 07, 2007, 09:56:55 PM
I just found this that the Thunderbirds are going to be at KSC the same weekend.

World Space Expo - NASA 50th Anniversary Event
Shuttle Landing Facility Kennedy Space Center, FL

So Both The Blue Angles and the Thunderbirds are going to be in the area the same weekend...........
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: Stonewall on October 08, 2007, 01:25:13 AM
Quote from: RobG on October 07, 2007, 09:40:50 PM
Jacksonville Sea & Sky Spectacular
November 2-4, 2007
Jacksonville Beach Oceanfront
Free Admission

I'll be there, no doubt.  I've been to tons of airshows, but never one of these Sea & Air things...
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: Steve Silverwood on October 11, 2007, 03:32:08 AM
Quote from: Stonewall on August 22, 2007, 09:04:57 PM
I just got placed on 4 more days of "staying at home doing nothing" by my doctor followed by an MRI and bone density test, followed by "light limited duty" until we get my back fixed.  He also prescribed me some better drugs.  So if you experience my post count going up or slurred typing with irrational claims of inventing things like the question mark, please ignore me.

This is only a ***WARNING***.

I have drill this weekend where I'm sure I'll be sitting there at a computer since I can't do much of anything... Grrrr....  I AM NOT GETTING OLD!!!!!!

I know how you feel.  Back pain is no fun at all.  I had back surgery just about two years ago, to correct an injury sustained 13 years before that (don't you love managed health care?).  Removed discs at L4-5 and L5-S1, fused L4/L5/S1 and filled in the gap with "cadaver bone" (I'm now known as "Frankenspine!") plus six big honkin' screws and two rods to hold it all together.

Still hurts like hell, although not nearly as bad as what it was like before the surgery.   And thanks to Dr. T.K. Ganocy and the gang at Kaiser Permanente (Sunset & Vermont in Los Angeles), I walked out of the hospital under my own steam six days after the surgery!!!

(Side story: the hardware is titanium -- gave me pause for concern the first time I flew commercial after the surgery.  I was sure I would have to go thru a strip-search when the metal detectors went berserk.  I walked through, no beep.  I made the mistake of looking surprised.  The TSA guy asked what was wrong.  I said, "Wow, it didn't go beep!"  He asked me why I wanted it to?!  I told him about the surgery, showed him the scars (front and back) when he asked, and he said, no sweat, titanium is non-ferrous, doesn't trip the magnetometer. ::) )

I'm still taking pain pills, and I've lost a little flexibility (obviously), but life's a lot better now.

Hope all has worked out well for you!

//Steve//

(And for the record, I hit the big Five-Oh next March.)
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: flyerthom on October 11, 2007, 03:40:43 AM
Quote from: DogCollar on October 04, 2007, 02:47:06 PM
Col. Bowden,
So sorry to learn of your back difficulties.  It is no fun.  I'm nearly 47, so consider you a very young man still!  Wish you all the best.

I've had back problems over the years, nothing terribly serious.  My knees, however, are definitely troublesome.  Ugh.

Anyway, I wish I could tell you that reaching middle aged was a barrel of laughs and easy, however...it's not.  The body doesn't respond like it use to.  It takes longer, harder work to just stay in the shape you're in!  I'm probably not helping you feel anybetter, but letting you know rather, you have a lot of support from your "elders."

Bill



Not that far behind you. This morning when I woke up I told my wife I could skip the day today. She said "no way, you have to go to work."
I said "no I don't I'm dead."
She said no way buddy, you're talking to me!"
I said, "nope, I'm dead."
She asked, "why do you think that?"
"Because nothing hurts."

Col, do the docs have you on any NASIDS or steroids?
If so watch the guts and the sweets.
Thoughts to ya.

Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: Steve Silverwood on October 11, 2007, 03:46:42 AM
Quote from: flyerthom on October 11, 2007, 03:40:43 AM
Col, do the docs have you on any NASIDS or steroids?
If so watch the guts and the sweets.

Good advice.  Look what happened to Jerry Lewis (steroids).

The only NSAID they gave me in my situation was Relafen, which has the added advantage of not being a problem with stomach irritation.  Nice for the mild pain, not really helpful for the big spasms.
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: Short Field on October 11, 2007, 04:10:06 AM
Getting old sucks - but it beats the alternative.....
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: Steve Silverwood on October 11, 2007, 05:47:04 AM
Quote from: Short Field on October 11, 2007, 04:10:06 AM
Getting old sucks - but it beats the alternative.....

Yeah, don't I know it!

But there are some perks.  I've got two great daughters, and three teriffic grandkids!  My wife loves me*, and so do my cats**.

//Steve//


[*Or at least she hasn't thrown me out -- yet.  ;D]
[**At feeding time.]
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: Skyray on October 11, 2007, 05:54:08 AM
Where the heck is Wildomar?
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: SarDragon on October 11, 2007, 05:57:14 AM
Quote from: Skyray on October 11, 2007, 05:54:08 AM
Where the heck is Wildomar?

CA? On I-15, halfway between I-215 and CA 74.
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: Steve Silverwood on October 11, 2007, 01:36:12 PM
Quote from: Skyray on October 11, 2007, 05:54:08 AM
Where the heck is Wildomar?

Wildomar, CA is between Lake Elsinore and Temecula on Interstate 15.  My home is off of Bundy Canyon Road, about midway between I-15 and I-215.  We're an unincorporated* portion of southern Riverside County.

//Steve//

[*but that's in the process of changing.  Wildomar is working toward incorporation as a city, should be on the next ballot.]
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: Stonewall on November 01, 2007, 02:28:57 PM
***BACK SURGERY SUCKS****

How can a 1 1/2" incision feel like they used a chainsaw? 

They said it was successful, but I won't believe them until I have complete control of my own bowels.  :'(

No pain, no pain!
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: RogueLeader on November 01, 2007, 02:34:27 PM
Quote from: Stonewall on November 01, 2007, 02:28:57 PM
***BACK SURGERY SUCKS****

How can a 1 1/2" incision feel like they used a chainsaw? 


No pain, no pain!

Many, many nerves saying "OW!!!!"
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: JayT on November 01, 2007, 03:02:26 PM
Quote from: Stonewall on November 01, 2007, 02:28:57 PM
***BACK SURGERY SUCKS****

How can a 1 1/2" incision feel like they used a chainsaw? 

They said it was successful, but I won't believe them until I have complete control of my own bowels.  :'(

No pain, no pain!

Where was the incision?
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: Stonewall on November 01, 2007, 03:25:21 PM
Just left of the spine, just above the waist line.  Between L5 and S1.
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: Fifinella on November 01, 2007, 03:28:35 PM
The real reason for the surgery was to replace UK's nuclear battery pack.  Now he's good to go for another 35 years.  ;)
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: Stonewall on November 01, 2007, 03:37:17 PM
Quote from: Fifinella on November 01, 2007, 03:28:35 PM
The real reason for the surgery was to replace UK's nuclear battery pack.  Now he's good to go for another 35 years.  ;)

I didn't know you had clearance to have knowledge of "UK" and his working systems.  Interesting...
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: Fifinella on November 01, 2007, 03:53:16 PM
Fifinella is a knower of many things...
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: Nomex Maximus on November 01, 2007, 04:42:22 PM
At least it wasn't his hydrogen fuel cell - those things become unstable when they are damaged. And then you require a cutting tool to get them out...
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: Cmdbuddy on November 01, 2007, 06:18:05 PM
Quote from: Stonewall on November 01, 2007, 03:37:17 PM
Quote from: Fifinella on November 01, 2007, 03:28:35 PM
The real reason for the surgery was to replace UK's nuclear battery pack.  Now he's good to go for another 35 years.  ;)

I didn't know you had clearance to have knowledge of "UK" and his working systems.  Interesting...

Do I?

Hope you feel better soon!
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: capchiro on November 01, 2007, 06:40:28 PM
The reason it hurts so much is that it was probably about 3 inches deep and bigger at the bottom than on the outside.  One of the biggest causes of failed back surgery is smoking, but I am sure that your doctor already warned you about that.  You might try alternating hot and cold packs to increase healing and remove some of the inflammation.  Also, don't try to overdo it until you get clearance from the doctor.  One of my patients came in on Monday in terrible shape.  I had worked on him on the prior Friday and he had been doing much better.  I asked him what he did and he said nothing..  His wife told me that he had been feeling so much better on Saturday that he had gone out and cut firewood.. and then strangely couldn't get out of bed on Sunday..Take it easy and listen to the doctor.. After all, you paid him so listen to him..   
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: ddelaney103 on November 01, 2007, 06:49:26 PM
Quote from: Fifinella on November 01, 2007, 03:28:35 PM
The real reason for the surgery was to replace UK's nuclear battery pack.  Now he's good to go for another 35 years.  ;)

Odd, all the people who work with him allways report high concentrations of methane...
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: Stonewall on November 01, 2007, 08:26:03 PM
Quote from: capchiro on November 01, 2007, 06:40:28 PM
One of the biggest causes of failed back surgery is smoking, but I am sure that your doctor already warned you about that. 

Not a smoker, never have been, hate smoking.  I'd dump the hottest girl if she smoked...

Called doc and he said I could take 2 percocets if one wasn't working.  Now I feel pretty good.  Thank goodness for On Demand cable TV, DVR, CAPTalk, a hot wife, a dog who fetches nothing, and a certain former Spaatz cadet who is sending me fudge...  I promise to lay off the random postings and stuff...but I am bored out of my mind.
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: SJFedor on November 01, 2007, 08:43:07 PM
We need to get you a puppy. That'll keep you entertained for a while.
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: Stonewall on November 01, 2007, 10:43:22 PM
I've got an 80 lb black lab (5 years old) and a 15 month old son.  Between those two, my wife and percocet, I'm doing just fine....  NOT!
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: JAFO78 on November 02, 2007, 12:01:25 AM
Glad to see that you are on your way to feeling better. I am still having pain with my knee. I am off work for another 3 weeks. The longer I am off the better I feel.

Plus good meds. Down fall is I could have picked up some OT but had to pass.
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: Stonewall on December 24, 2007, 01:15:00 AM
Anyone notice a sudden decrease in posts from yours truly?

Went back to work on Thursday with my 5 on 4 off night schedule (2100 to 0700).  Day 1 was training with CQB in a "ship in the box", a 4 story "island" of an aircraft carrier.  Pretty cool stuff.  Worked with Jacksonville Sheriff's Office SWAT.  Friday night brought me back in with a bang.  Drove up on a domestic in progress.  Just me and a drunk couple whaling on each other.  No back problems resulted but I did put my new Oakley gloves to the test.  Held up like a champ.

(http://www.trgear.com/osc/eshop/images/oakleyMTBgloves_lg.jpg)

(https://usstandardissue.com/images/glove_top.gif)

Been at the gym almost 4 weeks now but have stuck to the elliptical until today.  Ran 1 1/2 miles (AF PT standard) on the treadmill in 13 minutes.  Not bad if you ask me.  Goal is 10 minutes.

Gained 10 lbs since mid-August and already lost 3.  Can I get a little hooah?  HOOAH!
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: RogueLeader on December 24, 2007, 02:29:52 AM
Hooah!! 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: MIKE on December 24, 2007, 02:56:41 AM
Quote from: Stonewall on December 24, 2007, 01:15:00 AM
Can I get a little hooah?  HOOAH!

Hooah
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: BillB on December 24, 2007, 02:57:37 AM
Maybe the AF standard mile run, but you didn't pass the cadet PT test times for mile run.  But then again, most seniors can't meet the cadet PT tests.
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: Stonewall on December 24, 2007, 05:50:50 AM
Quote from: BillB on December 24, 2007, 02:57:37 AM
Maybe the AF standard mile run, but you didn't pass the cadet PT test times for mile run.  But then again, most seniors can't meet the cadet PT tests.

I said 1 1/2 miles, not 1 mile.  This, after I had back surgery less than 2 months ago.  But yes, I need work.  And no, most seniors couldn't pass a cadet PT test, but could most cadets pass a "real" military PT test in turn?  Either way, I'm back baby....

Working an underage DUI right now, hence I'm at a computer and not on the street.
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: JAFO78 on December 24, 2007, 06:01:35 AM
Glad to see you are back to work keeping our streets safe from the stupid people once again.

Stay Safe...... 8)
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: shorning on December 24, 2007, 06:43:26 AM
Quote from: Stonewall on December 24, 2007, 01:15:00 AM
Ran 1 1/2 miles (AF PT standard) on the treadmill in 13 minutes.  Not bad if you ask me.  Goal is 10 minutes.

Good job!  But the treadmill ain't the street brother...
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: Stonewall on December 24, 2007, 06:54:17 AM
Quote from: shorning on December 24, 2007, 06:43:26 AM
Quote from: Stonewall on December 24, 2007, 01:15:00 AM
Ran 1 1/2 miles (AF PT standard) on the treadmill in 13 minutes.  Not bad if you ask me.  Goal is 10 minutes.

Good job!  But the treadmill ain't the street brother...

My fastest 2 mile run in the Army, 11:50 something, came after training solely on the treadmill.  The reason why I think the treadmill makes my run times faster is becaues on the treadmill you maintain your speed.  Set it at 7:00 minute miles and you will continue that pace until you physically push the button to slow down.  On the street, when you tire, you automatically slow down.  Just some food for thought.  I train 100% on the treadmill for all runs, military and civilian and I always max the military PT runs and do well on 5Ks and such.
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: shorning on December 24, 2007, 09:23:44 AM
Quote from: Stonewall on December 24, 2007, 06:54:17 AM
I train 100% on the treadmill for all runs, military and civilian and I always max the military PT runs and do well on 5Ks and such.

Still, there are downfalls to only training on a treadmill.  But as long as you're aware of them, it doesn't make much difference.  Unfortunately, most people don't heed the differences...
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: Tim Medeiros on December 24, 2007, 06:38:06 PM
For those interested, would you be willing to post said downfalls?

Good to see you back in action Stonewall
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: Fifinella on December 26, 2007, 04:43:29 AM
Glad to hear you're back in action, you lazy slug!  >:D >:D >:D

Give it another week, and you'll be fighting for treadmill space with all those New Year's resolutioners...

Happy, Happy, Merry, Merry.
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: Stonewall on December 27, 2007, 03:13:53 AM
Quote from: Fifinella on December 26, 2007, 04:43:29 AM
Give it another week, and you'll be fighting for treadmill space with all those New Year's resolutioners...

Ha!  Yeah, my favorite time of year at the gym.  It only lasts between 2 and 4 weeks before the gym starts making money from people who no long go.  My buddy has been paying the monthly fee of $59 for he and his wife and haven't been in 9 months.

I've belonged to a gym for 9 years now and enjoy watching these folks everytime, except for when they hog the equipment.
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: Ned on December 27, 2007, 04:23:38 AM
Quote from: Fifinella on December 26, 2007, 04:43:29 AM


Give it another week, and you'll be fighting for treadmill space with all those New Year's resolutioners...

On Monday @0600 I was the sole person in the gym!

As in the lights shut off suddenly after a half hour on the treadmill since there was insufficient motion in the room to activate the light switch/motion detector thing.

Treadmill in the dark is fairly interesting for a few moments.   :o

And yes, I can be an equipment hog for long runs on the treadmill. (10+ miles)

But at least there are enough so no one has to wait for me.
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: Stonewall on December 27, 2007, 06:18:15 AM
Quote from: Ned on December 27, 2007, 04:23:38 AMAnd yes, I can be an equipment hog for long runs on the treadmill. (10+ miles)

Over achiever.
Title: Re: ***WARNING***
Post by: Ned on December 27, 2007, 04:49:00 PM
Quote from: Stonewall on December 27, 2007, 06:18:15 AM
Quote from: Ned on December 27, 2007, 04:23:38 AMAnd yes, I can be an equipment hog for long runs on the treadmill. (10+ miles)

Over achiever.

Yeah, but I can watch almost two episodes of MythBusters! (http://dsc.discovery.com/fansites/mythbusters/episode/episode.html)