Alright. I got my ECI 13 materials. [I know it's not called ECI anymore but people seem to know it more by this name still].
Is there a study guide out there that can help me study for this course? Any forum regulars who have taken this course have any advice? And when it's time to take the test, how do I go about that (getting it ordered and what not)?
This information would be very useful not just for me but we just signed up 2 new senior members and they would be taking this course soon as well.
The test needs to be ordered from AU 4/6 (formerly AFIADL). This can be done from the AU 4/6 help forum. I takes about 2 weeks to get to your Wing Test Control Officer. Add time if you need to then get it to your squadron.
As to the course. Do all the review questions in the material. Use these as you review for the test
I took the course last year. I won't give you my opinion of the content, but just know, if you got the same one I did, a lot of information is waaaaay out of date!
At the end of each section is a practice test. What I did was to make a flash card of each question and answer (about 250 cards...I think). I learned those cards and the anwers. The test kept to those questions pretty much, so I did okay.
Once you finish the course and you are ready for the test you go to the AFIADL website and request the test. You will need to give them the closest testing center to you, and that's where they will mail the test. I had them mail it directly to my squadron, and the testing officer administered and secured the test.
Just know, that the course and test is expected to be available on-line at some point. I haven't heard when that might occur. Maybe someone else knows the answer. Best wishes.
The online course will probably not be available anytime soon (12 months or so)....so take the AU4/6 course 000013.
I just took the test last Tuesday......study the review questions...and you should be good.
1. Order course
2. when course arrives file all but the questions in the circular file
3. watch the military channel and fill in the blanks
4. order the test
5. pass with flying colors
at least that is what worked for me.... ;D ;D ;D
:D :D :D :D :D
Way to go I finished mine for the second time in 20 years back in Nov. Pain in the seat both times. ( did it back in 1987)
BTW Bravo Zulu
Circular file? Is that the one that seems to get updated very frequently with certain memos? >:D
By the way, my course came with a little envelope. What's that for?
And the packing sheet said it should've brought a "Keys to success" pamphlet or something but it was missing. I didn't bother asking for a copy of that guessing it was general tips. Kinda like what they put in the first few pages of a textbook (who reads those?).
AND, one section will refer to a PAO manual that it says was sent with the materials. What you actually have to do is find it online.
I was having problems with the review questions, so I input them to a quiz generator. Doing the practice quiz helped me recognize areas I needed more study, and helped me prepare for the test itself.
Almost all of the questions on the test I took came straight from the review questions. There were a few questions on the test that weren't in the review questions, but they weren't terribly difficult.
Here's a link to the practice quizzes I made to use as study guides.
http://home.earthlink.net/~nerpa010/id19.html
^ Hey! That's great! Thanks.
So I've been reading and practicing and feel that I could pass it. What is the process to get the test ordered? Is it through the Wing testing officer?
And what if someone for whatever reason fails, what's the retake policy?
QuoteAND, one section will refer to a PAO manual that it says was sent with the materials. What you actually have to do is find it online.
Do you have the link for the PAO manual?
Sorry it took so long to get back on this. It's been a very busy day for me.
The Tongue and Quill is available at http://www.e-publishing.af.mil/shared/media/epubs/AFH33-337.pdf (http://www.e-publishing.af.mil/shared/media/epubs/AFH33-337.pdf)
In PA Wing, our Wing PDO prefer it if we request AFIADL tests through her. Knowledge Base answer 1933, Requesting and completing AFIADL tests, has the most current information.
It may take a few weeks between your request and when the testing officer receives it. You may then have to wait until you both have time to meet. In all but a few cases, this is NOT your unit's testing officer, so don't go bugging him(her).
Remember you can always check the Knowledge Base or ask your unit or wing PDO about any questions you have regarding these courses.
What are we suppose to study from the Tongue and Quill?
Quote from: gistek on January 30, 2009, 10:46:20 PM
In PA Wing, our Wing PDO prefer it if we request AFIADL tests through her. Knowledge Base answer 1933, Requesting and completing AFIADL tests, has the most current information.
It may take a few weeks between your request and when the testing officer receives it. You may then have to wait until you both have time to meet. In all but a few cases, this is NOT your unit's testing officer, so don't go bugging him(her).
Remember you can always check the Knowledge Base or ask your unit or wing PDO about any questions you have regarding these courses.
I like that idea...since the test comes to the Wing Test Control Officer (which I'd imagine is the PDO quite often) it's helpful for them to be in the loop so they can stay on top of things if the test doesn't show up when it should. I also like to give them a heads-up when the enrollment is processed, as that's an extra set of eyes to make sure the enrollment doesn't run out.
<shameless plug>
All that said, work through the chain with your unit, group, and wing Professional Development staff and they'll help you out.
</shameless plug>
Quote from: stratoflyer on January 30, 2009, 06:59:24 AM
By the way, my course came with a little envelope. What's that for?
Under the 'old' system, you sent an AFIADL Form 17 to request the test. It went in that envelope. I think it can still be used for some things, but not anything we do in the normal course of CAP business.
But, when you do take the test, the answer sheet will be sent back to Maxwell in the same type of envelope. There
should be one for that purpose in the test packet, but hold on to the one you have just in case.
Oh, and good luck!
There are some specific references in one section of the study materials. In some cases all you need to do is search for some specifics within the "Tongue & Quill" in others you are told to read certain pages.
HEADS UP!
I learned yesterday that the new online "ECI-13" will consist of 41 modules with 10 questions each. The person who reported this said that he's seen some of the questions and they are much harder than the ones on the current test.
You mean the new Senior Officer Course? Because I thought they where getting rid of the old senior officer course aka ECI 13.
Quote from: ThorntonOL on February 01, 2009, 06:49:39 PM
You mean the new Senior Officer Course? Because I thought they where getting rid of the old senior officer course aka ECI 13.
Yup, but it hasn't happened yet.
I last heard they where still discussing it in another thread which we recently covered the same subject. So now they've done something?
Quote from: ThorntonOL on February 02, 2009, 12:09:53 AM
I last heard they where still discussing it in another thread which we recently covered the same subject. So now they've done something?
Info on NHQ site:
http://members.gocivilairpatrol.com/cap_university/professional_development/basic_officer_course.cfm
Quote from: gistek on January 30, 2009, 10:46:20 PM
In PA Wing, our Wing PDO prefer it if we request AFIADL tests through her. Knowledge Base answer 1933, Requesting and completing AFIADL tests, has the most current information.
Glad to hear PA is getting those tests out a little quicker now. I requested mine twice when I was a member in PA over the course of over a year, and never received it.
Transferred to TNWG, had it in 2 weeks.
Well, it looks like the new SOC will actually be useful. It should definitely be online since that will open the door to better and more up to date content as well as pictures and stuff. Mainly, it's cost effective.
Anyone ever use the blackboard system they talk about having newly acquired. I know schools and colleges use it.
I agree that the SOC should be a complement to SLS. Especially if the SLS you attend to is severely lacking in content and is taught in a less that stellar manner by people just reading to you the slides provided by national.
Eddie:
I'm taking Naval War College which uses Blackboard. It's a great one-stop-shop for all your course needs, complete with course overview, chat board, grade posting and 'digital drop-box' for your assignments as well as a record of your critiqued assignments. There are also "reminder headers" on your homepage.
I've taken various mil and civilian online courses since it's infancy in the early '90's, and this is the best system I've seen to date.
Sounds good then. I'm really looking forward to seeing how it all turns out.
I saw that there was a call for volunteers to help write it. Anyone from around these parts volunteer?
Personally, I'm looking forward to a new ECI-13: the current one is antiquiated and seems to be a 'choke-point' for member development.
I'd like to see something modeled after the USAF Squadron Officer School online course, which I really enjoyed.
Quote from: stratoflyer on February 02, 2009, 04:10:36 PM
Sounds good then. I'm really looking forward to seeing how it all turns out.
I saw that there was a call for volunteers to help write it. Anyone from around these parts volunteer?
I sent an e-mail to the address they listed, but it bounced. Then I called and left a message, but no one returned my call.
Quote from: gistek on February 03, 2009, 06:04:23 PM
Quote from: stratoflyer on February 02, 2009, 04:10:36 PM
Sounds good then. I'm really looking forward to seeing how it all turns out.
I saw that there was a call for volunteers to help write it. Anyone from around these parts volunteer?
I sent an e-mail to the address they listed, but it bounced. Then I called and left a message, but no one returned my call.
And doesn't that mke you feel appreciated!
I just shrugged and went on to another project.
What else is there to do?
But seriously, does anyone out there know the status of the rewrite?
I'm not waiting for the rewrite. If they are just getting started it will probably be a year or more.
My Communications Technician rating was approved last week so ECI 13 is all that stands between me and Level II. Granted, the test is outdated, but I'm on a mission.
There has been discussion about a new PAO test for at least a year and a half. Still no test. ECI 13 has a larger audience so maybe they'll move faster.
Quote from: wuzafuzz on February 11, 2009, 12:59:53 PM
I'm not waiting for the rewrite. If they are just getting started it will probably be a year or more.
My Communications Technician rating was approved last week so ECI 13 is all that stands between me and Level II. Granted, the test is outdated, but I'm on a mission.
Only thing standing between me and railroad tracks as well. Gotta get it done!
Quote from: JoeTomasone on February 11, 2009, 01:02:58 PM
Quote from: wuzafuzz on February 11, 2009, 12:59:53 PM
I'm not waiting for the rewrite. If they are just getting started it will probably be a year or more.
My Communications Technician rating was approved last week so ECI 13 is all that stands between me and Level II. Granted, the test is outdated, but I'm on a mission.
Only thing standing between me and railroad tracks as well. Gotta get it done!
Guys,
Don't wait: grin, bear it, and git'er done. When the online version finally comes out, you can tell folks war stories of how when you were a Lieutenant, you had to walk barefoot in the snow, uphill both ways to do ECI-13. . . >:D
Quote from: O-Rex on February 11, 2009, 03:51:44 PM
Quote from: JoeTomasone on February 11, 2009, 01:02:58 PM
Quote from: wuzafuzz on February 11, 2009, 12:59:53 PM
I'm not waiting for the rewrite. If they are just getting started it will probably be a year or more.
My Communications Technician rating was approved last week so ECI 13 is all that stands between me and Level II. Granted, the test is outdated, but I'm on a mission.
Only thing standing between me and railroad tracks as well. Gotta get it done!
Guys,
Don't wait: grin, bear it, and git'er done. When the online version finally comes out, you can tell folks war stories of how when you were a Lieutenant, you had to walk barefoot in the snow, uphill both ways to do ECI-13. . . >:D
You forgot "and we were glad to do it!" ;D
I can do that now as I have done ECI 13 two times in the last 20 years. ;D
First time was when I was a SFO in FLWG back in 1987, and yes I was glad to have done it both times.
I just got notified that I passed my ECI-13...now to do the paper work to get my Level V! :clap:
^^ Congratulations!
Quote from: lordmonar on February 11, 2009, 08:27:40 PM
I just got notified that I passed my ECI-13...now to do the paper work to get my Level V! :clap:
How long was it for you to be notified of the results and how were you notified? I'm assuming you snail mailed in the test (gathering there's no other way to submit it).
Quote from: lordmonar on February 11, 2009, 08:27:40 PM
I just got notified that I passed my ECI-13...now to do the paper work to get my Level V! :clap:
Kudos! :clap:
Quote from: Indaweeds on February 12, 2009, 05:58:59 AM
Quote from: lordmonar on February 11, 2009, 08:27:40 PM
I just got notified that I passed my ECI-13...now to do the paper work to get my Level V! :clap:
How long was it for you to be notified of the results and how were you notified? I'm assuming you snail mailed in the test (gathering there's no other way to submit it).
It took about 10 days. I got a nice certificate in the mail from AU. ;D
Quote from: lordmonar on February 12, 2009, 02:11:35 PM
Quote from: Indaweeds on February 12, 2009, 05:58:59 AM
Quote from: lordmonar on February 11, 2009, 08:27:40 PM
I just got notified that I passed my ECI-13...now to do the paper work to get my Level V! :clap:
How long was it for you to be notified of the results and how were you notified? I'm assuming you snail mailed in the test (gathering there's no other way to submit it).
It took about 10 days. I got a nice certificate in the mail from AU. ;D
Thanks! Forgive my manners as I should have said the following earlier: congrats!
Quote from: O-Rex on February 03, 2009, 02:30:56 PM
Personally, I'm looking forward to a new ECI-13: the current one is antiquiated and seems to be a 'choke-point' for member development.
I'd like to see something modeled after the USAF Squadron Officer School online course, which I really enjoyed.
I can tell you it is a "choke-point" for me. I am active in CAP, and work hard to get ES quals and be "useful". I am also employed full-time, am President of the Georgia Pilots Association, and an AOPA ASN volunteer. I have not taken the ECI-13 due to the issues I have heard with it, especially the antiquated material. It is not worth my time to study somethign that is not very useful.
If the new SOC gets done as it sounds like I will be one of the first to take it!
Quote from: lordmonar on February 11, 2009, 08:27:40 PM
I just got notified that I passed my ECI-13...now to do the paper work to get my Level V! :clap:
Congrats!!!
I just received word that the CAP has dropped the 20 exclusion for those that have attended the NCO Academy.
I do believe that I have good news for you. You know that 000013 course? I have info that they are going to take the greater than 20 year exclusion for military training away. It is too late for me, but I think you can discard the 00013 now and just have prior schooling credited for that block. They just had a national meeting for regs and they took off the part about that it has to have been in the last 20 years to count.
Anyone know the facts on this?
Thanks
Your word is correct. With CAPR 50-17 currently up for comment, I think this will make in to the reg quickly - unlike some other NB decisions.
Apparently the 20 year rule has been dropped I submitted my paperwork for my level II and it was accepted. After months of study of the Course 13 but then I did learn a bit along the way but good news for us old Military guys.
Wondering. If I pass the ECI 13 course now, and I've got everything else done, do I get the certificate of proficiency, or do I get the Level II award with the ribbon?
If you have everything but ECI 13 done for Level II, you should already have the Leadership Ribbon. The ribbon is awarded for attaining a technician rating in a specialty track. Completion of ECI 13 with all the other requirements for Level II results in the Benjamin O. Davis Award (formerly known as the Certificate of Proficiency).
When did the Davis award become official?
BTW. I downloaded the flash card manager from e-services to use with the ECI 13 review questions and it just doesn't work.
What browser are you using? Some stuff from NHQ doesn't work well in anything except Internet Exploiter Exploder Explorer.
I think it was the 14 Feb 07 Change to CAPR 50-17. It had hung in limbo for a few years after the National Board approved it. Knowledgebase links to a CAPR 50-17 that shows the Davis Award, but when you look at the current CAPR 50-17 in eServices, it still calls it the COP and has no reference to Davis. Stranger and stranger....
I took the test today. I think I'll pass, if the minimum score is not too high. That will complete my Level II. Maybe I'll put railroad tracks on in October! ;D That will be 18 months TIG as 1 Lt.
Glad I got that out of the way! Wasn't too bad.
AC
Quote from: Short Field on March 21, 2009, 06:36:15 AM
I think it was the 14 Feb 07 Change to CAPR 50-17. It had hung in limbo for a few years after the National Board approved it. Knowledgebase links to a CAPR 50-17 that shows the Davis Award, but when you look at the current CAPR 50-17 in eServices, it still calls it the COP and has no reference to Davis. Stranger and stranger....
They still list the exam from this topic as ECI-13. ECI became AFIADL and is now AU 4/6. To rename the COP (or the ECI-13) they would have to go in and update all the old records.
Ok. So I get the Davis award. There isn't a ribbon for that, is there? :'(
More importantly, for members getting ready to do this that REALLY like ribbons, if they had completed the Davis award, and somewhere along They (those at NHQ) make a ribbon for it, would it be retroactive?
Has there been anything like that before in CAP?
The flash card manager works fine on my laptop, not my desktop. Weird.
ECI 13 study guide available from Ohio Wing:
http://ohwg.cap.gov/profdev/docs/NewPDdocs/AFIADL-13%20Study%20Guide.pdf (http://ohwg.cap.gov/profdev/docs/NewPDdocs/AFIADL-13%20Study%20Guide.pdf)
They are not going to create a ribbon for Level 2 completion due to already having the Leadership ribbon for earning Technician rating in a specialty track. Now if you already took the Yeager you get a special little sticker for your award, unless that has changed.
Quote from: ThorntonOL on March 23, 2009, 12:33:50 AM
They are not going to create a ribbon for Level 2 completion due to already having the Leadership ribbon for earning Technician rating in a specialty track. Now if you already took the Yeager you get a special little sticker for your award, unless that has changed.
They still do. Minimum passing score for ECI-13 exam is 65.
Just took my ECI-13 / AFIADL 00013 test yesterday. It is easy if you use some online study tools like the Ohio Wing Study Guide (http://ohwg.cap.gov/profdev/docs/NewPDdocs/AFIADL-13%20Study%20Guide.pdf) and Jesse Jones Squadron's quizzes (http://home.earthlink.net/~nerpa010/id19.html). "Thank You" to the members that posted those links on this forum! Most of the questions are right from the Unit Review Exams.
Anyone nervous about taking it or thinking of waiting for a new course should just go ahead and enroll. It is not nearly as cumbersome as others would have you believe.
^^^ Don't know how I missed those before, but thanks for pointing them out. I'll pass the links to my squadron. Cheers!
Well, frankly, as a Testing Officer, posting the above links, and accompanying info, in such a public manner, comes really close to compromising the test.
YMMV.
Quote from: SarDragon on May 20, 2009, 08:12:49 PM
Well, frankly, as a Testing Officer, posting the above links, and accompanying info, in such a public manner, comes really close to compromising the test.
YMMV.
Did you EVEN READ THEM?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??
They are outlines, and instructions on how to enroll.
At ease there highspeed.
Taken to PM
Brought back from PM....
Sorry I was so harsh. :-*
I just enrolled in ECI-AFIADL-A6/4 13 and upon the advice of my unit commander, ordered my test the day the materials arrived.
Some of the material seems, I dunno, irrelevant? Some of it, at least, is very much "Jeopardy Knowledge," while I appreciate the historical aspects of the CAP portion. I'm not sure what knowing which flag was carried by the Green Mountain Boys will help me, but hey, that's just me.
And on the other hand, some seems like information you wouldn't want to gloss over. The communication section, especially, seems vital to what we do in CAP.
It's very much time for an overhaul of the course though. Is that coming with the online course, or will it simply be the current class, online.
Total overhaul. Online.
Quote from: BrandonKea on May 21, 2009, 02:59:38 AM
It's very much time for an overhaul of the course though. Is that coming with the online course, or will it simply be the current class, online.
It is an overhaul and will be offered online. According to the NHQ Web-site:
The course will be divided into three major learning modules:
A. THE PERSONAL/INTERPERSONAL DIMENSION OF LEADERSHIP
B. THE PROFESSIONAL DIMENSION OF LEADERSHIP
C. THE ORGANIZATIONAL DIMENSION OF LEADERSHIP
Assumptions:
1. This course would be completed via independent study, online, and available 24/7.
2. The evaluation instruments would be periodic multiple-choice, online examinations, which would be open-book, and correctable to 100%.
3. TARGET DURATION FOR EACH INSTRUCTIONAL TOPIC WILL BE 30 MINUTES OR LESS!! CONTACT HOURS: 20
MODULE 1: PERSONAL/INTERPERSONAL DIMENSION OF LEADERSHIP
I. Followership
II. Leadership Traits and Leadership Styles
III. Group Dynamics
IV. Team Building
V. Counseling
VI. Conflict Management
VII. Problem Solving
VIII. Implementing Change
IX. Effective Decision-Making
X. Effective Communication
a. Written
b. Oral
c. Nonverbal
d. Cross-generational Communication
e. Barriers to Communication
XI. Mentoring
MODULE 2: PROFESSIONAL DIMENSION OF LEADERSHIP
I. Professionalism
II. CAP Core Values
III. CAP Ethics
IV. Concept of Chain of Command
V. Basic Drill
VI. Uniform Wear
VII. Rank, Promotions, Awards, and Decorations
VIII. Standards, Customs, Courtesies, Flag Protocol, Emblems and Seals
IX. Professional Development Programs
a. CAP (Senior Member) Officers (CAPR 50-17)
b. CAP Cadets (CAPR 52-16)
X. Understanding the Specialty Training Tracks (Basic SQ Structure)
XI. Air Force-style Correspondence
XII. Air Force-style Briefing
XIII. The CAP Chaplain Corps
XIV. Diversity
XV. CAP Nondiscrimination Policy
XVI. Discipline Versus Abuse
XVII. Cadet Protection
XVIII. Adverse Member Actions
XIX. Resource Accountability (Funds and Assets)
XX. Safety
MODULE 3: ORGANIZATIONAL DIMENSION OF LEADERSHIP
I. CAP Vision
II. Highlights of CAP and USAF History
III. Legal Basis for CAP
a. Public Law
b. Constitution and By-Laws
IV. Organization of CAP (The Sq/Wing/Region Org, NEC, Nat Bd and Board of Governors)
V. Membership Categories
VI. Accomplishing the Mission Elements (AE, CP, ES)
VII. Support to Civil and Military Authorities
VIII. IG System
a. Compliance Inspections and SAVs
b. Complaints Program
IX. CAP Insurance/Benefits Program
X. Recruiting and Retention
* * * * * *
The lessons have been assigned to a team of writers throughout the nation -- each module has a team leader. Deadlines for submitting the final lesson assigned to writers are the 15th of the month -- beginning in March of this year and ending in July.
Quote from: Chicago_Pilot on May 20, 2009, 04:47:38 PM
Just took my ECI-13 / AFIADL 00013 test yesterday. It is easy if you use some online study tools like the Ohio Wing Study Guide (http://ohwg.cap.gov/profdev/docs/NewPDdocs/AFIADL-13%20Study%20Guide.pdf) and Jesse Jones Squadron's quizzes (http://home.earthlink.net/~nerpa010/id19.html). "Thank You" to the members that posted those links on this forum! Most of the questions are right from the Unit Review Exams.
Anyone nervous about taking it or thinking of waiting for a new course should just go ahead and enroll. It is not nearly as cumbersome as others would have you believe.
Just received my ECI-13 diploma from the Air University Registrar. I took the test on May 19th, the certificate is dated May 27th and it was received June 9th. Pretty efficient in my book.
Quote from: gistek on January 30, 2009, 01:30:13 PM
Here's a link to the practice quizzes I made to use as study guides.
http://home.earthlink.net/~nerpa010/id19.html
Just took my test two weeks ago and the practice tests were instrumental in my passing it. There were only a few test questions not in the quizzes from the books. Thank you for posting this info.
Okay, I spotted this thread .. and thought.. maybe the actual directions on how to get courses in general, might be here.
So.. when I did this, it was use a PDF, that had an email submit button, and that submitted itself for the test. Prior to that, it was the post card.
How do you actually get the thing anymore, provided you have your shred code, etc?
Quote from: Chicago_Pilot on June 10, 2009, 03:53:20 PM
Quote from: Chicago_Pilot on May 20, 2009, 04:47:38 PM
Just took my ECI-13 / AFIADL 00013 test yesterday. It is easy if you use some online study tools like the Ohio Wing Study Guide (http://ohwg.cap.gov/profdev/docs/NewPDdocs/AFIADL-13%20Study%20Guide.pdf) and Jesse Jones Squadron's quizzes (http://home.earthlink.net/~nerpa010/id19.html). "Thank You" to the members that posted those links on this forum! Most of the questions are right from the Unit Review Exams.
Anyone nervous about taking it or thinking of waiting for a new course should just go ahead and enroll. It is not nearly as cumbersome as others would have you believe.
Just received my ECI-13 diploma from the Air University Registrar. I took the test on May 19th, the certificate is dated May 27th and it was received June 9th. Pretty efficient in my book.
I found that they were pretty efficient in getting a certificate out once they get the test form. They're pretty good.
Quote from: a2capt on June 16, 2009, 06:35:37 AM
Okay, I spotted this thread .. and thought.. maybe the actual directions on how to get courses in general, might be here.
So.. when I did this, it was use a PDF, that had an email submit button, and that submitted itself for the test. Prior to that, it was the post card.
How do you actually get the thing anymore, provided you have your shred code, etc?
There was an online form that could be used for requesting any of the AFIADL courses, but recently I've found it easier to request them through my Wing Professional Development officer.
CAP Knowledgebase Answer ID 506, How do I enroll in an AF correspondence course from HQ AU A4/6 (ECI)? (keyword = eci 13) has updated information and links, including a link to "Procedures for requesting an HQ AU A4/6 end of course exam"
Just took my ECI-13 test tonight. We'll see how long it takes to get my results back. I feel pretty good about it though...
Quote from: gistek on June 16, 2009, 03:38:14 PM
I've found it easier to request them through my Wing Professional Development officer.
That's all well and fine but that's
your responsibility, not his or hers. Re: CAPR50-4 Para 2-3.
You order it; the wing testing officer receives it and forwards it to your unit TCO for testing.
Just as an FYI - NHQ announced this week that the sundown for ECI-13 /AFIDL/HQ/AU 46 is 31 Dec.
Anyone already enrolled may continue to the course until completion, anyone not enrolled will have to take the new one, which included online components.
See KB answer 2094 for more detail.
Quote from: Eclipse on July 24, 2009, 12:59:52 PM
Just as an FYI - NHQ announced this week that the sundown for ECI-13 /AFIDL/HQ/AU 46 is 31 Dec.
Anyone already enrolled may continue to the course until completion, anyone not enrolled will have to take the new one, which included online components.
See KB answer 2094 for more detail.
Is that effective now that you can't enroll in the course? What if you're enrolled must you test before the 31 Dec Date?
Quote from: Angus on July 24, 2009, 01:20:18 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on July 24, 2009, 12:59:52 PM
Just as an FYI - NHQ announced this week that the sundown for ECI-13 /AFIDL/HQ/AU 46 is 31 Dec.
Anyone already enrolled may continue to the course until completion, anyone not enrolled will have to take the new one, which included online components.
See KB answer 2094 for more detail.
Is that effective now that you can't enroll in the course? What if you're enrolled must you test before the 31 Dec Date?
Enrollment in the current course is still open to those eligible. 31 Dec is not a "hard stop".
We discussed this in RSC last week and were told that if you are enrolled in the course before 31 Dec, you can run it out to its normal conclusion, including retests, etc.
Quote from: Eclipse on July 24, 2009, 12:59:52 PM
Just as an FYI - NHQ announced this week that the sundown for ECI-13 /AFIDL/HQ/AU 46 is 31 Dec.
Incorrect. The
PROJECTED RELEASE DATE for the new course is 31 Dec 2009.
Quote from: KB Answer # 2094Officer Basic Course: The projected release date for the new CAP Officer Basic Course (replacement for AFIADL Course 13, CAP Senior Office Course) is 31 Dec 2009. The present AFIADL Course 13 is still active and applications are still being accepted. Course 13 remains a requirement to complete Level II and receive the Gen Benjamin O. Davis Jr., Award. (Contact: Bobbie Tourville - bjtourville@capnhq.gov) Ref: EX's Open Cockpit July 2009
emphasis mineQuoteAnyone already enrolled may continue to the course until completion, anyone not enrolled will have to take the new one, which included online components.
See KB answer 2094 for more detail.
Again, incorrect. You may still enroll in AFAIDL 13.
Quote from: KB ANswer #2094You may have heard two rumors going around: the first is that AFIADL-13 is not longer being offered by AIr University; and the second is that completion of AFIADL-13 is being waived until the new course launches. Neither of these rumors are true. Air University is still enrolling students in the course, and completion of the course is still required for completion of Level II, and is still one of the choices cadets have to complete Phase IV.
As the development of the new Officer Basic Course advances, we'll keep you updated. In the meantime, please don't be afraid to enroll students in AFIADL-13. We'd hate to see members slow their own progress waiting for the new course.
If I wasn't clear, I apologize.
This was handed down to us by the GLR PDO at RSC last week. He stressed that the new course was much more comprehensive than the current one - spanning about 40 chapters, and that those who don't want to get involved with an entirely new curriculum need to get moving.
Members may continue to enroll in ECI-13 until 13 Dec, and continue the course through its normal schedule of dates and testing deadlines until completed or exhausted.
Anyone not enrolled in the current ECI-13 by 31 Dec will need to enroll in the new course on 1 Jan.
Since I am not the first-hand holder of this information, I can't argue it any further than that.
I took the ECI-13 test a month ago and passed. I got the results back in less than two weeks after I took the test. The only problem I had was getting the test delivered to our squadron. It seems it was delivered to the Wing and they sat on it for a month.
I too feel the communication portion of the test was the best part, the rest of it was a waste of time. I am glad to hear that the new on line eaxam will be more comprehensive.
Don't forget to take the Aerospace Leadership exam prior to the ECI-13 to get your Yeager adward. I have been told that you get a gold star on your certificate. You can take the Aerospace leadership exam after the EC-13 but you won't get the gold star.
I figure you got to take it anyway so why not take it prior to the ECI-13 and get the gold star!
Quote from: Airrace on July 24, 2009, 03:02:44 PM
I took the ECI-13 test a month ago and passed. I got the results back in less than two weeks after I took the test. The only problem I had was getting the test delivered to our squadron. It seems it was delivered to the Wing and they sat on it for a month.
We had a similar problem. Wing is good about sending them, but they'd go to the Group CC's first - an unnecessary bottleneck.
As Group CC's we petitioned the wing to send them direct to the unit TCO's. Problem solved.
Quote from: Airrace on July 24, 2009, 03:02:44 PM
Don't forget to take the Aerospace Leadership exam prior to the ECI-13 to get your Yeager adward. I have been told that you get a gold star on your certificate. You can take the Aerospace leadership exam after the EC-13 but you won't get the gold star.
I figure you got to take it anyway so why not take it prior to the ECI-13 and get the gold star!
Its not a "star" its a round, pointed, seal and there is no dependency on the order of taking ECI-13, only that your Yeager is completed at the time Level II is submitted.
I passed! :o
I never did get a card though, all I got was my "diploma". Do you get both or just the one?
Quote from: BrandonKea on August 23, 2009, 11:59:12 PM
I passed! :o
I never did get a card though, all I got was my "diploma". Do you get both or just the one?
I never got a card, didn't know there was one. I did get the diploma. Did you complete the Yeager test prior to the ECI-13?
Quote from: Airrace on August 24, 2009, 12:29:44 AM
Quote from: BrandonKea on August 23, 2009, 11:59:12 PM
I passed! :o
I never did get a card though, all I got was my "diploma". Do you get both or just the one?
I never got a card, didn't know there was one. I did get the diploma. Did you complete the Yeager test prior to the ECI-13?
Oh yeah, ages ago.
One the one hand, I want to know what I got. Even if it doesn't matter.
...as far as I know now, I aced it :-D lol
RATS!! I enrolled in the course. I received it. I studied. I ordered the test. Today I was told the course and tests are no longer shipping. AAARRRGGGHHHH!
Perhaps the online course is almost ready?
Quote from: wuzafuzz on August 24, 2009, 01:50:42 AM
RATS!! I enrolled in the course. I received it. I studied. I ordered the test. Today I was told the course and tests are no longer shipping. AAARRRGGGHHHH!
Perhaps the online course is almost ready?
Oh Geez! Are you just in limbo now?? Why won't they let you test??
Quote from: wuzafuzz on August 24, 2009, 01:50:42 AM
RATS!! I enrolled in the course. I received it. I studied. I ordered the test. Today I was told the course and tests are no longer shipping. AAARRRGGGHHHH!
Perhaps the online course is almost ready?
My understanding is that it will be available at the end of December. I know that many of the contributors had a 7/15 deadline.
Quote from: BrandonKea on August 24, 2009, 01:52:22 AM
Quote from: wuzafuzz on August 24, 2009, 01:50:42 AM
RATS!! I enrolled in the course. I received it. I studied. I ordered the test. Today I was told the course and tests are no longer shipping. AAARRRGGGHHHH!
Perhaps the online course is almost ready?
Oh Geez! Are you just in limbo now?? Why won't they let you test??
If I remember correctly my PD guy said they may know more in a week or two.
Quote from: wuzafuzz on August 24, 2009, 01:50:42 AM
RATS!! I enrolled in the course. I received it. I studied. I ordered the test. Today I was told the course and tests are no longer shipping.
Check this page out. (http://members.gocivilairpatrol.com/cap_university/latest_pd_news.cfm/) Here's the reason.
Quote from: Camas on August 24, 2009, 03:59:10 AM
Quote from: wuzafuzz on August 24, 2009, 01:50:42 AM
RATS!! I enrolled in the course. I received it. I studied. I ordered the test. Today I was told the course and tests are no longer shipping.
Check this page out. (http://members.gocivilairpatrol.com/cap_university/latest_pd_news.cfm/) Here's the reason.
If I understand that correctly it only affects newly registered students as course materials are exhausted. No mention of tests, unless those are considered materials.
Quote from: wuzafuzz on August 24, 2009, 06:09:16 PM
If I understand that correctly it only affects newly registered students as course materials are exhausted. No mention of tests, unless those are considered materials.
You might be able to assume that they would not print substantially more tests then they have books...
They might only print one test per book... Assuming some people will sign up and never request test, they should run out of books before running out of tests. [hopefully few people fail this test and have to be sent 2 or more tests]...
In any event, it might be safe to assume they ran out of both...
- I wonder if new prints will naturally include the corrections made over the years... wont hold my breath though....
Quote from: RiveraJ on August 24, 2009, 06:16:59 PM
- I wonder if new prints will naturally include the corrections made over the years... wont hold my breath though....
The course materials would be the perfect thing to supply electronically. If they didn't want to give them out on an open site, they could email them to registered individuals. Then, if they desired, they could still do the tests as they currently do.
It seems that National wants to make the new Officer Basic Course an open book, correctable to 100% course. I find that pretty disturbing as anytime you have a course that is correctable to 100% you have effectively made it a course that doesn't matter much.
If you take the course, no matter how bad you do on the test, you simply review the right answers and bam you now have a 100%! Forget learning the material, just take skim thru the modules and take the test. Don't study, don't learn, you're going to make a 100% anyway.
I have no problem with online courses as long as the test is proctured and you are allowed to fail. Oh well, another sign of the times.
Quote from: RiveraJ on August 24, 2009, 06:16:59 PM
- I wonder if new prints will naturally include the corrections made over the years... wont hold my breath though....
That's a negative. It has a full page of errata that needs corrected before you start. I just enrolled recently.
The delay for tests was shortlived. I was just informed my test has arrived. ;D
First, according to the National Boards feed last week, the Senior Officer Course (ECI13) is scheduled to go live online on December 31. Even if you are currently enrolled in the paper version, you may switch to the online version when available.
The Ohio Wing has put together a study guide found at
http://ohwg.cap.gov/profdev/docs/NewPDdocs/AFIADL-13%20Study%20Guide.pdf
Another method is:
You will note at the end of each section are two sets of review questions - the Self Exam and the Unit Review. Each time you answer the questions for the Self Exam, highlight the answers in the text with a YELLOW highlighter. Then, for the Unit Review questions, highlight the answers in BLUE highlighter. You will see that some of the answers overlap and your text is now GREEN. The green text is usually very important.
Remember you have one year to take the test but you should plan to take it around 10.5 months. This will give you time to get your test scored and in the event you are not successful, you'll have time to retake the test before your year is up. You can also request an extension up to 4 months if you run out of time at the end. However, if you do not request the extension and you run out of time, you need to wait six months to re-enroll in the course.
Good Luck.
Question for the cognoscenti here:
I took ECI 13 in 1988 - still have the card. I just came back to CAP after a long absence, do I have to take it again, or can I scan the card and send it off to the powers that be to be certified as having completed the course?
They may or may not have it in your old records at NHQ. I assume then that it hasn't shown up in your records on e-services? If not, go ahead and send a copy in and it will get added.
I took the test on Sunday, it was easier than I expected, although I did hit a few speed bumps where I should have studied better. I'm confident I passed but we'll see.
I'm glad the course is being replaced. It was terrible.
Regarding open book exams. I took some online college exams that were open book and were still devilishly hard. It can be done.
One would hope that would be the case. But NHQ is in the business of producing "check the block" requirements. I don't have much faith in the training developers there. :P
Quote from: wuzafuzz on September 15, 2009, 11:20:13 AM
Regarding open book exams. I took some online college exams that were open book and were still devilishly hard. It can be done.
I'd be willing to bet they were an actual book - which is a different universe from online open-Google.
Quote from: Eclipse on September 15, 2009, 02:31:17 PM
Quote from: wuzafuzz on September 15, 2009, 11:20:13 AM
Regarding open book exams. I took some online college exams that were open book and were still devilishly hard. It can be done.
I'd be willing to bet they were an actual book - which is a different universe from online open-Google.
Nope, at least in this case. While there was a book, it was a research writing class that depended heavily upon online academic resources. Google wasn't much help since it didn't index the "members only" academic resources.
Questions can be written to test understanding as opposed to simple memorization or Google-Fu. I agree with Gunner though, our new test will probably be a multiple guess/recognition affair. Little chance of essay questions or research papers scored by a subject matter expert.
In one of the College of Education courses I took, the instructor gave an open book exam in the middle of the semester. Near the end of the semester, he gave the same exam, closed book. Basically the scores were identical for each student. His point, that when a student does not know an answer an looks in the book, he retains the information longer Two semesters later, the instructor contacted each member of the class and asked them to take the same exam, again closed book. The final scores showed a drop of less than 5% from earlier scores, indicating the information was still stored in the brain. So open book testing does have long term value.
Quote from: BillB on September 15, 2009, 04:10:07 PM
The final scores showed a drop of less than 5% from earlier scores, indicating the information was still stored in the brain. So open book testing does have long term value.
Interesting... wouldn't mind seeing a more complete study like this...
- More people
- Different subjects
- Varying degrees of education
etc
You'd think that the second time he gave the same exam scores would go up quite a bit unless he never let them know which ones they missed and what the correct answer was,
9 days and counting. Could really use some good news this week.
Passed with diploma in hand ;D
Next achievement.
thanks to this thread and the study aids, i felt good going in and i felt good going out after taking the test.
i guess a handful of us are going to be the last to ever take such test , especially with the new cap officer course.
If you attend SLS, take Yeager test A, read the ECI 13 four volume books twice you should get over 90% since most of the ECI 13 test covers content from SLS and the Yeager with some new material in the ECI course.
Do all this in a four month period and there should be no sweaty palms during the test. Besides the test color is pink to calm you down.
Quote from: Michael M on November 13, 2009, 07:22:29 PMBesides the test color is pink to calm you down.
They must be rotating the colors. Mine was green.
well i received my diploma yesterday.. I guess i passed lol.
Question is how long until national posts it.
Quote from: FastAttack on November 22, 2009, 04:28:07 PM
well i received my diploma yesterday.. I guess i passed lol.
Question is how long until national posts it.
If you haven't seen your eServices record update after 4-6 weeks, scan a copy of the 'Af-a-diddle' postcard showing your test results and attach it to an e-mail to Jennifer Carroll at jcarroll@capnhq.gov . She will update your record within 24-48 hours.
Quote from: AlphaSigOU on November 22, 2009, 11:00:29 PM
Quote from: FastAttack on November 22, 2009, 04:28:07 PM
well i received my diploma yesterday.. I guess i passed lol.
Question is how long until national posts it.
If you haven't seen your eServices record update after 4-6 weeks, scan a copy of the 'Af-a-diddle' postcard showing your test results and attach it to an e-mail to Jennifer Carroll at jcarroll@capnhq.gov . She will update your record within 24-48 hours.
as funny as it sounds.. i got the diploma without the tests results themselves.. i guess they got seperated.
They don't send a card for ECI 13 if you pass, just the certificate.
I got a card and a certificate, the card came about a week after the certificate and had my score printed on it.
Quote from: wuzafuzz on September 26, 2009, 01:28:18 AM
Passed with diploma in hand ;D
Next achievement.
Congradulations
OK, I just got ECI 13 placed in my PD training record dated 02 Feb.2012. So, if this is now BOC, why did HQ list it as ECI 13?
Probably because it still says ECI 13 in a bunch of the publications.
For purposes of database schema and queries I'd bet donuts at a sarex that the IT people don't feel like reprogramming it to have a "this or that" requirement for the routine that validates the promotion criteria is met.
Although they could just change the field name to be "ECI 13 / BOC" ...
Your's should at least say "online" in it:
ECI 13 Online DD MMM YYYY
Since it's OBC, not BOC, I would hope it would say "ECI13 / OBC".
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Mine was ECI 7C back in the day.
Mine too