CAP Talk

Operations => Safety => Topic started by: Grumpy on May 25, 2010, 03:12:13 PM

Title: You Gotta See this!
Post by: Grumpy on May 25, 2010, 03:12:13 PM
I thought about posting this in the Safety section because it is a safety thing.  However, I don't   think CAP really has anything to do with table saws.  But, it's really a neat safety device and you gotta see it to believe it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=E3mzhvMgrLE&NR=1
Title: Re: You Gotta See this!
Post by: NIN on May 25, 2010, 03:24:05 PM
There was _NO_WAY_ I could watch that whole thing. *shudder*
Title: Re: You Gotta See this!
Post by: a2capt on May 25, 2010, 03:32:33 PM
It's absolutely nothing. They use a hotdog and there is plenty of warning to the actual test....
Title: Re: You Gotta See this!
Post by: Eclipse on May 25, 2010, 03:33:22 PM
Man, that tears the heck out of the saw - better make sure your wood is dry.

Hot dog?  Watch until the end...
Title: Re: You Gotta See this!
Post by: heliodoc on May 25, 2010, 03:34:11 PM
Good call, Grumpy!

Whether or not CAP has anything to do with table saws or not....

How many in the CAP membership own and operate chainsaws and table saws either as a hobby or real life occupation(s) such as carpenters, foresters, woodworkers, etc?

Still a good safety call.......This has been covered by the Real Military when there were more MWR hobby shops and some shops in general BITD

So CAP could use a little dose of reality outside of aviation.....one false move with any of these tools and its a LONG road to hoe getting a flying medical back depending on severity of injuries with these.  Although slicing fingers probably does not constitute loss of a medical......loss of digits and possible time off work and depending onn the occupation....some remedial training......

Sound familiar, CAP??

Title: Re: You Gotta See this!
Post by: NIN on May 25, 2010, 03:44:14 PM
Quote from: a2capt on May 25, 2010, 03:32:33 PM
It's absolutely nothing. They use a hotdog and there is plenty of warning to the actual test....

Yeah, I stopped when they said the guy was gonna use his own finger. 
Title: Re: You Gotta See this!
Post by: Capt_Redfox30 on May 25, 2010, 04:02:26 PM
I was at a safety conference this past March for school and a vendor was doing a demonstration of this piece of equipment.  It was very interesting to see, he did use his finger and yes it was still there at the end of the day. 
Title: Re: You Gotta See this!
Post by: Grumpy on May 25, 2010, 04:03:33 PM
I was the same way, kinda squinted when I watched it but there's nothing shocking with what you're going to see.  They say the device costs $60 and it does tear up the saw by stopping it so fast but then like the guy says, "consider the alternative".
Title: Re: You Gotta See this!
Post by: vmstan on May 25, 2010, 06:18:45 PM
I actually used to work for a company that sold these things. One of our salesmen did the demo with me and used his finger, without telling me what the hell he was doing. I about had a heart attack. Pretty cool stuff.
Title: Re: You Gotta See this!
Post by: mynetdude on May 25, 2010, 07:03:07 PM
NIce! Nice to know I can work with wood/table saws without too much fear of getting my fingers cut off FWIW I don't have great depth perception so this device is a finger saver :)

Like anything else man made, machine it can fail so its not something I would wholly trust to keep me out of trouble.

They don't explain how it works though, what causes the device to activate?
Title: Re: You Gotta See this!
Post by: a2capt on May 25, 2010, 07:20:13 PM
Yeah, they do. Voltage drop. The blade is charged with voltage and it's isolated. Voltage does what voltage does. Tries to find a path to ground. When it starts to drain, a voltage drop is detected and that activates the mechanism.

The blade can be looked at as a capacitor, and it's being charged at a rate that is far slower than the targeted scenario would drain it, thus the drop is detected. I would imagine that if a nail were in the board being cut and the nail is in contact with the table surface, that would activate it, too.

$60 .. for the blade and the speed brake. Think of it as a fuse.
Title: Re: You Gotta See this!
Post by: mynetdude on May 25, 2010, 07:28:48 PM
Quote from: a2capt on May 25, 2010, 07:20:13 PM
Yeah, they do. Voltage drop. The blade is charged with voltage and it's isolated. Voltage does what voltage does. Tries to find a path to ground. When it starts to drain, a voltage drop is detected and that activates the mechanism.

The blade can be looked at as a capacitor, and it's being charged at a rate that is far slower than the targeted scenario would drain it, thus the drop is detected. I would imagine that if a nail were in the board being cut and the nail is in contact with the table surface, that would activate it, too.

$60 .. for the blade and the speed brake. Think of it as a fuse.

Ah ok, I misunderstood wy they were talking about wood being non-conductive vs your finger and didn't catch that.  Table saws aren't the only thing they use for cutting wood though, what about meat products? Although butchers probably use different saws to cut meat however wouldn't the same safety application be desired? If so, meat being conductive would have blades being damaged before the cut.
Title: Re: You Gotta See this!
Post by: Senior on May 26, 2010, 02:12:26 AM
The block the saw stops in is made of aluminum.  The real finger
demonstration shows the aluminum welded to the carbide teeth.
If the blade is not deformed I bet the blade could be cleaned up and
resharpened.
Butchers use bandsaws.  A continuous band with teeth on it.  They
can cut fingers off, but my experience in metal working a bandsaw
seems tamer than a tablesaw.  Bandsaws don't usually cut at 5000
surface feet per minute, that is how a bandsaw is measured.
Title: Re: You Gotta See this!
Post by: jimmydeanno on May 26, 2010, 02:05:45 PM
Quote from: Senior on May 26, 2010, 02:12:26 AM
If the blade is not deformed I bet the blade could be cleaned up and
resharpened.

I can't say that I'd want to use any blade that made that sort of an impact.  Even if you can't see a deformity (obvious would be warping, missing teeth, etc) I wouldn't want to risk the possibility of it breaking apart while I'm trying to use it.  Blades are cheap enough.
Title: Re: You Gotta See this!
Post by: mynetdude on May 27, 2010, 03:55:50 PM
Quote from: jimmydeanno on May 26, 2010, 02:05:45 PM
Quote from: Senior on May 26, 2010, 02:12:26 AM
If the blade is not deformed I bet the blade could be cleaned up and
resharpened.

I can't say that I'd want to use any blade that made that sort of an impact.  Even if you can't see a deformity (obvious would be warping, missing teeth, etc) I wouldn't want to risk the possibility of it breaking apart while I'm trying to use it.  Blades are cheap enough.

Yep this is how some of our aviation's accident histories went, nobody saw the broken blades on the jet engines.