The onlin NESA Registration opened today. Get your name in now for this excellent opportunity. I've been there the past two years and love every minute I spend out there.
Thanks for announcing the opening of registration Flint!
The site has been updated also and links include two new schools, Mission Public Information Officers course and Intermediate Incident Command System School.
Start at this link: nesa.cap.gov
Thanks,
Lt Col. Paul Rowen
NESA Webmaster
Is NESA still offering a first responder course?
sarflyer, is the site completely fixed? I'm one of those anal people who likes to make sure things I did are done right, so I've been trying to check my app status and I get errors everytime and it tells me an email is being sent to the site admin.
Quote from: davidsinn on December 29, 2009, 04:09:58 PM
Is NESA still offering a first responder course?
Dave,
On the website it looks like they changed the name to Wilderness Advanced First Aid Course.
http://www.nesa.cap.gov/wildernessfa.htm
Not sure if anything other than the name was changed....just going on what the website says.
Happy New Year
Quote from: John Bryan on December 30, 2009, 07:23:46 PM
Quote from: davidsinn on December 29, 2009, 04:09:58 PM
Is NESA still offering a first responder course?
Dave,
On the website it looks like they changed the name to Wilderness Advanced First Aid Course.
http://www.nesa.cap.gov/wildernessfa.htm (http://www.nesa.cap.gov/wildernessfa.htm)
Not sure if anything other than the name was changed....just going on what the website says.
Happy New Year
Is this a proper Indiana first responder cert? My wife would like to eventually re-certify and $160 sure beats the $800 she paid the first time.
I know some of the staff are from DPHS. I don't know whose program they use.
NESA is probablythe best non cadet related activity I have experienced in my 25 year CAP career. I loved MAS. I want to go back and do the GTL course ori wouldlike to be on staff at the MAS.
flyguy, you'd like GTL school. Dawn is a great instructor, I took the course the same year I did MAS.
Flint,
All the links worked when I checked it last week. I noticed today the registration site is down but it probably won't be for long. I already notified HQ/DO on it.
The wilderness first aid class is the first responders school re-named. Contact the commandant of the school for more specifics on the qualification or certification level.
NESA is truly the best emergency services training offered in the organization. One stop shopping for all things!
Sorry for the delay in the answer, I don't check CAPTALK regularly.
P Rowen
NESA Web Admin
No problem. The only problem I was having was trying to check my app status. I never trust I do it right till I see it's in there. Luckily that worked for me today.
On a side note, will CTWG be sending a van as usual? I've got a cadet who wants to go and I won't be able to bring him as I don't have another senior for the road trip and I'm drving out from Boston.
Quote from: Flint on January 06, 2010, 08:03:59 PM
No problem. The only problem I was having was trying to check my app status. I never trust I do it right till I see it's in there. Luckily that worked for me today.
On a side note, will CTWG be sending a van as usual? I've got a cadet who wants to go and I won't be able to bring him as I don't have another senior for the road trip and I'm drving out from Boston.
Why would you need another senior for the road trip?
To avoid 1 on 1 with a cadet. Just a bad idea. . .
Quote from: RogueLeader on January 06, 2010, 08:39:34 PM
To avoid 1 on 1 with a cadet. Just a bad idea. . .
But frequently a necessary evil when you have a small unit or going a long distance.
Quote from: davidsinn on January 06, 2010, 09:11:04 PM
Quote from: RogueLeader on January 06, 2010, 08:39:34 PM
To avoid 1 on 1 with a cadet. Just a bad idea. . .
But frequently a necessary evil when you have a small unit or going a long distance.
For this long a distance I'm going with the approach of not doing it. I'd rather play it safe. Plus I'm also thinking with the size of my car there wouldn't be enough room his gear and mine.
Quote from: davidsinn on January 06, 2010, 08:25:59 PM
Quote from: Flint on January 06, 2010, 08:03:59 PM
No problem. The only problem I was having was trying to check my app status. I never trust I do it right till I see it's in there. Luckily that worked for me today.
On a side note, will CTWG be sending a van as usual? I've got a cadet who wants to go and I won't be able to bring him as I don't have another senior for the road trip and I'm drving out from Boston.
Why would you need another senior for the road trip?
Quote from: CAPR 52-10d. Ensure that at least two "approved" senior members are present at all overnight cadet activities. Encourage at least two senior members to be present at all cadet activities (with the exception of chaplain counseling or cadet orientation flights). This policy is for the protection of the senior members as well as the cadets.
Boston to Indiana it think would constitute an overnight activity. ;)
Quote from: lordmonar on January 07, 2010, 12:03:22 AM
Quote from: davidsinn on January 06, 2010, 08:25:59 PM
Quote from: Flint on January 06, 2010, 08:03:59 PM
No problem. The only problem I was having was trying to check my app status. I never trust I do it right till I see it's in there. Luckily that worked for me today.
On a side note, will CTWG be sending a van as usual? I've got a cadet who wants to go and I won't be able to bring him as I don't have another senior for the road trip and I'm drving out from Boston.
Why would you need another senior for the road trip?
Quote from: CAPR 52-10d. Ensure that at least two "approved" senior members are present at all overnight cadet activities. Encourage at least two senior members to be present at all cadet activities (with the exception of chaplain counseling or cadet orientation flights). This policy is for the protection of the senior members as well as the cadets.
Boston to Indiana it think would constitute an overnight activity. ;)
Google says 15 hours. Bet you could do it in 12.
I'm not going to go that fast. I like speed but not that much 8)
Going out I'm probably going to do it staightish. I've got family friends who live out there who have volunterred to come home and drive out with me. Which would leave me alone on the trip back. On that one, I'm definitely going to do an over night probably in Penn or something.
Quote from: Flint on January 07, 2010, 02:10:52 PM
I'm not going to go that fast. I like speed but not that much 8)
Going out I'm probably going to do it staightish. I've got family friends who live out there who have volunterred to come home and drive out with me. Which would leave me alone on the trip back. On that one, I'm definitely going to do an over night probably in Penn or something.
I find google to be very conservative on the times. I can make what they say is a 4:05 trip in 3:15 without speeding anymore than the next guy (5 over)
When I got the time off of MapQuest it said about 16 hours.
Quote from: davidsinn on January 07, 2010, 03:07:58 PMI find google to be very conservative on the times. I can make what they say is a 4:05 trip in 3:15 without speeding anymore than the next guy (5 over)
I think Google tries to account for current traffic conditions which may not exist once you reach them. That and I'm sure it's better to be estimate a little over rather than under.
Quote from: N Harmon on January 07, 2010, 06:14:15 PM
Quote from: davidsinn on January 07, 2010, 03:07:58 PMI find google to be very conservative on the times. I can make what they say is a 4:05 trip in 3:15 without speeding anymore than the next guy (5 over)
I think Google tries to account for current traffic conditions which may not exist once you reach them. That and I'm sure it's better to be estimate a little over rather than under.
For the particular route I mentioned there is no traffic data. It's 180 miles of which 140 are 60 mph 4 lane highways. The rest are 2 lane roads at 55. I do appreciate the fact that I get there "early" though.
I'm trying to figure out which Gsar course I'd lke to staff can anyone give me their experience staffing Advanced SAR or Basic SAR school? Also any comm staff experience would be good to.
Quote from: maverik on January 09, 2010, 06:17:49 AM
I'm trying to figure out which Gsar course I'd lke to staff can anyone give me their experience staffing Advanced SAR or Basic SAR school? Also any comm staff experience would be good to.
Have you attended NESA GSAR before? Unless you have the odds of you being accepted for staff are pretty low.
Yes of course I have gone to the Advanced GSAR school.
Well it looks like I've convinced at least four others from our Squadron to attend NESA this year. Pretty good for one SQ located in California. At least two of us are going to fly there, going up and over first the Sierra's and then the Rockies.
It's going to be a blast!
We;; I can vouch that it is worth it definately the best week of a summer.
Last year's MAS was excellent, and I'm looking forward to the new Advanced Pilot course!
I'm not for certain but I think Major Creed may ahve something to deal with that either way good luck I prefer to keep boots on the ground. :D
Quote from: Amelia Earhart SQ on January 10, 2010, 09:20:08 AM
Well it looks like I've convinced at least four others from our Squadron to attend NESA this year. Pretty good for one SQ located in California. At least two of us are going to fly there, going up and over first the Sierra's and then the Rockies.
It's going to be a blast!
I'll see you there!
Awesome, what are you going for? Looking forward to Breakfast ;)
I applied for ARCHER instructor. Hopefully both weeks.
Ah yes, breakfast. Pancakes like thick tortillas and an AF E-5 to joust with. ;D Honestly, I hadn't been that tired and had that much training in a long time. Met great people. It's gotta be one of the best experiences in CAP.
Quote from: Amelia Earhart SQ on January 10, 2010, 09:20:08 AM
Well it looks like I've convinced at least four others from our Squadron to attend NESA this year. Pretty good for one SQ located in California. At least two of us are going to fly there, going up and over first the Sierra's and then the Rockies.
It's going to be a blast!
Wow!
How much will that cost?
Real rough calculation is as follows:
Roughly an average of 3 hours of flying (bladder restrictions) per leg x 4 legs = 12 hours @ 15 gph = 180 galons @ average 4.00 gal = $720.00 each way.
Variables, are differing climb, cruise, and descent fuel consumption, TAS and altitude, and LOP operations (lean from 15 gph down to 11 gph). Additional costs are oil, O2, accom and grub!
Cost is under $1,800, but the experience is priceless!!
It's a straight shot from the Bay Area:
(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_LgWE2_-txJ8/S0o0ejDSMFI/AAAAAAAACZs/L4VR5pgBEV4/s400/Flight%20to%20NESA%20Planning.jpg)
I didn't understand the pilot gibberish you threw in there lol but I did understand the price and man I gotta hand it to you it takes dedication to come all the way from there, well there and Alaska.
Dedicated? Nah!!
I just want to have access to my carry on luggage, not have to get patted down unless I want it, and pee when I want to pee :O
Ita nice to have those kinds of options.
I thought MAS was one of the best courses I have ever taken in CAP. What is the advanced school about? Imay take that one.
I'm not 100% sure :o
This is what I have from the web site: MAS Advanced (SDIS / G1000)*NEW* Training Course
I'm waiting on the OK from SQ\CC tonight and then I'll be registering.
Planning on going to GTL school.
Quote from: Spaceman3750 on January 12, 2010, 04:20:15 PM
I'm waiting on the OK from SQ\CC tonight and then I'll be registering.
Planning on going to GTL school.
Register now, that school fills up fast. The approvals come later.
I've also got to make sure the WMU plays nice with me and brings my GTM3 up to date when she puts in my NIMS and her unit certification tonight (membership lapse, everything seems to be intact except NIMS which I missed and her Okey-dokey). But yeah, I'll go in and do it now and sort out the other details later.
Thanks,
Ryan
EDIT: Aaaand, done.
Here's my rule of thumb for NESA if you think it would be a cool school it probably is and probably fills up fast so register immediately and you pay when you get accepted so it's all good. The schools I notice fill fast are GTL, WAFA(first responder), and IC school fills up quick to Im not for sure but I think MAS is the same way.
Quote from: maverik on January 12, 2010, 05:54:41 PM
Here's my rule of thumb for NESA if you think it would be a cool school it probably is and probably fills up fast so register immediately and you pay when you get accepted so it's all good. The schools I notice fill fast are GTL, WAFA(first responder), and IC school fills up quick to Im not for sure but I think MAS is the same way.
MAS fills up even quicker.
I figured as much well then just register as soon as you can for that I know they have a lot of fun or so it seems.
MAS does have a lot of fun. At least I know they did when I went through it in '08.
Quote from: maverik on January 12, 2010, 05:54:41 PM
Here's my rule of thumb for NESA if you think it would be a cool school it probably is and probably fills up fast so register immediately and you pay when you get accepted so it's all good. The schools I notice fill fast are GTL, WAFA(first responder), and IC school fills up quick to Im not for sure but I think MAS is the same way.
It prompted me to pay immediately. They say if you get red-lined by wing you get a full refund, which I'm not horribly concerned about happening.
They will prompt you yes but do you have to pay immediately? No, well that's been the case with everyone i've talked to. It should be on the site somewhere or it was last year that you don't have to pay until accepted.
Anyone have an idea when the on-line member packets are going to be available? (i.e. releases, questionaires, policies & procedures)
Just wondering.
Good day all,
Flint, I am working on the possibilities of vans from CT Wing going out for both weeks. This will be my fourth year driving out and with stops for gas and relief straight though it took 22 hours. Forget google. GPS all the way.
I will post stuff here on transportation as it comes available but it will probably me late March or early April before I have a more definite answer.
Gunner, as soon as HQ/DO gets those forms to me I will post them on the site. Check back there once and a while to get them.
Travel one on one with a cadet would be a CPPT violation because of the distance involved. The appearance of a violation is the problem. Not the actual violation. One senior with a bunch of cadets would be a better match but still two seniors would be the best.
Scholarships are now available for members who have financial difficulties. Check the site.
Also anyone bringing a corporate vehicle or aircraft to NESA should check with NHQ/DO on reimbursement. NESA is run under an AF mission number and all fuel, oil and communications is potentially paid back. Check with Lt Col Mike Long at mlong@nesa.cap.gov on this.
Lastly if you have a question you want answered quick click on my email at the bottom of my signature group. I only check Captalk maybe once a week.
Lt Col Paul Rowen
NESA Webmaster
Hey everyone,
Just an update on forms. They are not needed quite yet and are still in revision for 2010. When they are posted I will let everyone know here. It will also be posted on the NESA news page and of course the participant page.
I have found one potential driver to drive a van from CT to IN for week two only. The timing of NESA has messed up attendance from New England as most schools don't let out until the middle of the first week of NESA. This was beyond NESA control. The Army determines when the school get it's time and that is determined by their training schedule. That's the way it is and it's not worth worrying about.
We are currently 130 days out from school! Are ya gettin excited! Yeah baby!
Sincerely,
Paul Rowen
NESA Webmaster
I ahvr a few senior members that I want to attend NESA and they want to go m but they dont understand that they have to pay now. They think they can wait until June. can they?
Good morning Flyguy,
Sure they can wait but if they do and the school they have signed up for fills up the slots will go to the paying people. Especially in the MAS school. It fills quickly. They are far better off if they commit.
P Rowen
NESA Webmaster
If I could throw something in -
Tell these guys not to wait. The MAS is very large and very full. It is probably the best run, most professional schools that CAP runs. If they're serious about going, get a slot quickly! I'm trying to go back as an instructor this year to give something back. But whether you're an instructor or a student, it's a great experience.
NESA GSAR Staff assignments have been posted on the NESA website under the staff link per Lt Col Long. :clap:
Paul R.
NESA Webmaster
got my assignment (not the one i wanted in GSAR but hey I'll take comm 'any experience?') any ETA on when necessary paperwork and such will be on the site?
I applied as staff at MAS. Nothing yet (getting late). Still no paperwork to download. This is getting frustrating.
Sorry Gunner,
Try emailing Major Templeton directly. Knowing him he probably already knows but hasn't put it out yet. The paperwork is pending from Major Brockman. Nothing I can do there. I am frustrated also but I know he will get it to me to post as soon as he can.
Paul R.
NESA Webmaster
One more question is there an ETA when the first responder (WAFA) pakcing list will be released or is it the same deal with the releases?
Cody,
That stuff seems to be released all at the same time. I will announce it here when it is.
Paul R.
NESA Webmaster
Good afternoon all,
Update!
Some of the forms have been put online and are now available. Please complete the one's you need and get them in!
Also the Wilderness Advanced First Aid course link has been moved under the ICSS school links.
I was also asked to remind everyone to get their payments in for school. Go to the Registration page, click register, even if you've already registered, then submit and the link for payment will display itself.
Thanks all,
Paul R.
NESA Webmaster
Thank you Lt Col Rowen!
Unless I missed it, there were no submission instructions on either the website or the forms.
I was checking on that also.. no where does it say were to submit it.
The forms can be faxed to 334-460-8842 or scanned and emailed to NESA-ADMIN@cap.gov per John D.
Quote from: Who_knows? on April 05, 2010, 10:43:39 PM
The forms can be faxed to 334-460-8842 or scanned and emailed to NESA-ADMIN@cap.gov per John D.
just tried the email one and its being rejected:
A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:
NESA-ADMIN@cap.gov
SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:<NESA-ADMIN@cap.gov>:
host ASPMX.L.GOOGLE.COM [209.85.223.58]: 550-5.1.1 The email account that you tried to reach does not exist. Please try
550-5.1.1 double-checking the recipient's email address for typos or
550-5.1.1 unnecessary spaces. Learn more at
550 5.1.1 http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=6596 32si17296767iwn.85
See if NESA-ADMIN@capnhq.gov works.
A couple of years back cap.gov email addresses were changed to capnhq.gov addresses.
Correct address given below.
Sorry about the misinformation folks.
The correct email is NESA-ADMIN@nesa.cap.gov
Please use that one and I'll update the site in a couple of minutes.
Paul R.
NESA Webguy
thank you ,
quick question though, on the "Application Status Screen"
it shows
Received Promotional Order
what does that exactly mean?
Good morning Fastattack,
The status screen shows the forms that have been received by admin at NESA. Each form is listed with a box below it that will show an "x" or check mark showing they received your form. That particular form is not required but the others are.
Paul R.
Quote from: sarflyer on April 07, 2010, 12:14:35 PM
Good morning Fastattack,
The status screen shows the forms that have been received by admin at NESA. Each form is listed with a box below it that will show an "x" or check mark showing they received your form. That particular form is not required but the others are.
Paul R.
I guess this part takes a while.. even after the forms are sent.
So once the release gets posted and medical.
then it goes into the approval box?
The acceptance process works like this:
1) Once a student applies online, the unit, group (if applicable) and Wing commanders get an automated approval email from the NTC system. Each echelon either approves or disapproves the individual. (Only 1-2% of folks are actually disapproved by their commanders).
2) The Ops folks at NHQ take each student that was approved and assign them to schools based on the student's primary or alternate preference. Once this is done, the link will show "Accepted" and the student will be mailed an acceptance packet.
Ops will actually start #2 in the next few days.
Michael Long, LTC, CAP
Commandant GSAR/NESA
^^ Now does your payment have to be in in order for you to be accepted? Or is it hey you're accepted now get you r payment in kinda thing?
I believe it has nothing to do with the acceptance process. You can pay for your classes upon registration. You can also go back into the registration link after the fact and pay for your classes. My advice is pay NOW!!! That way HQ knows your committed.
Paul Rowen, Lt Col, CAP
NESA Webmaster
I been accepted.
Curious though that my Medical and Release hasn't shown up on the check app status screen.
The student packets are via snail mail or via email?
And when do we know what school we been slotted in ( in our welcome packet? )
In my case I chose MP school :)
Thanks
The school packet shows up via snail mail (or it did in 2008) and to see the school you've been slotted in it's on the application status screen.
Quote from: maverik on April 17, 2010, 11:28:44 PM
The school packet shows up via snail mail (or it did in 2008) and to see the school you've been slotted in it's on the application status screen.
prob you can't distinguish between an MP & MO.
I'm not familiar with MAS l but I would think it would be like GSAR even though it shows up as GSAR that's just the main course, you've really been slotted for the specialty you selected. But maybe someone more knowledgeable can help you out.
Quote from: maverik on April 18, 2010, 03:02:07 PM
I'm not familiar with MAS l but I would think it would be like GSAR even though it shows up as GSAR that's just the main course, you've really been slotted for the specialty you selected. But maybe someone more knowledgeable can help you out.
See the issue you can't choose between an MP/MO during registration..
I guess NHQ checks to see if you have the pre-reqs and sees if you have a F5 and the required hours I guess...
Ahh ok well best of luck to you. Either course is fantastic training.
Hello all,
I was just perusing the NESA photos from last year and I was wondering if anyone could explain the stuffed spider that pops up in a few if the photos?
It seemed a strange thing to have at emergency services training, but then again, hey this is CAP....after the job is done it is all about fun I guess.
So what school is everyone attending? I've been accepted to GTL Session 2.
I want to know who to watch for and meet in-person :).
Quote from: Spaceman3750 on April 21, 2010, 02:32:43 PM
So what school is everyone attending? I've been accepted to GTL Session 2.
I want to know who to watch for and meet in-person :).
MP/MO School Session 1.
Comm Staff both weeks. Well that's if I can figure out how to pay without resudmitting my enrollment. :P
Quote from: sarflyer on April 14, 2010, 11:46:28 AM
I believe it has nothing to do with the acceptance process. You can pay for your classes upon registration. You can also go back into the registration link after the fact and pay for your classes. My advice is pay NOW!!! That way HQ knows your committed.
Paul Rowen, Lt Col, CAP
NESA Webmaster
How is it supposed to work for staff applications?
Payment method is the same for students and staff
question does it matter if the medical shows up as YES on the approved system when you been accepted?
I sent my paperwork the day that we got the info about the release and medical info.
Once you send the medical and release forms in, NHQ staff has to go through those and input that into the NTC system. They are running behind on that, so I would not be concerned.
Quote from: husker on April 27, 2010, 12:38:13 PM
Once you send the medical and release forms in, NHQ staff has to go through those and input that into the NTC system. They are running behind on that, so I would not be concerned.
seems like it got posted on my end
1 month 9 days to go :)
Hooray, my acceptance finally showed up! I'm going to Team Leader school!
My alternate selections were Advanced GSAR sessions 1 and 2. It looks like I got accepted for Advanced GSAR session 1 as well. But I only signed up and paid for one week...the AGSAR sessions were my backups in case I didn't get in to Team Leader school. Have I been mistakenly booked for both sessions instead of just the second, or is it saying that if TL school falls through for me I can go to AGSAR session 1?
The Transportation Survey is now available on the Participant page. It must be filled out by all attendees.
Thank you,
MAS instructor. See you all there!
Oh-Oh :)
And for all you MAS people, please remember to bring STL sectionals. We always exhaust the FBO's supply in the first 3 hours of the school ;D
faxed my releases in two weeks ago did they need to have an ATTN on them? if so my bad, should I send again? Also is there a way to pay without going through the submit registration again?
Quote from: SJFedor on May 05, 2010, 10:11:47 PM
And for all you MAS people, please remember to bring STL sectionals. We always exhaust the FBO's supply in the first 3 hours of the school ;D
MAS MP student here.. thanks for the heads up...
Quote from: FastAttack on May 06, 2010, 03:14:43 AM
Quote from: SJFedor on May 05, 2010, 10:11:47 PM
And for all you MAS people, please remember to bring STL sectionals. We always exhaust the FBO's supply in the first 3 hours of the school ;D
MAS MP student here.. thanks for the heads up...
Look forward to meeting you! I believe I'll be working the Scanner/Airborne Photographer/ADIS schools this year.
Quote from: SJFedor on May 06, 2010, 05:46:05 AM
Quote from: FastAttack on May 06, 2010, 03:14:43 AM
Quote from: SJFedor on May 05, 2010, 10:11:47 PM
And for all you MAS people, please remember to bring STL sectionals. We always exhaust the FBO's supply in the first 3 hours of the school ;D
MAS MP student here.. thanks for the heads up...
Look forward to meeting you! I believe I'll be working the Scanner/Airborne Photographer/ADIS schools this year.
Are there SQTRs for an airborne photographer yet? And to be AP must one be MS?
Will there be laundry facilities available this year? When I was there in 06 they said there may be, and they have said the same every year, but there wasn't and I would have given my left arm to do laundry.
Quote from: mynetdude on May 06, 2010, 01:56:43 PM
Quote from: SJFedor on May 06, 2010, 05:46:05 AM
Quote from: FastAttack on May 06, 2010, 03:14:43 AM
Quote from: SJFedor on May 05, 2010, 10:11:47 PM
And for all you MAS people, please remember to bring STL sectionals. We always exhaust the FBO's supply in the first 3 hours of the school ;D
MAS MP student here.. thanks for the heads up...
Look forward to meeting you! I believe I'll be working the Scanner/Airborne Photographer/ADIS schools this year.
Are there SQTRs for an airborne photographer yet? And to be AP must one be MS?
There was a SQTR in the stuff I d/l'd from NESA a while ago, but there's still nothing in eServices.
Scanner is a pre-req, and must be at least age 18.
Quote from: SarDragon on May 06, 2010, 11:17:08 PM
Quote from: mynetdude on May 06, 2010, 01:56:43 PM
Quote from: SJFedor on May 06, 2010, 05:46:05 AM
Quote from: FastAttack on May 06, 2010, 03:14:43 AM
Quote from: SJFedor on May 05, 2010, 10:11:47 PM
And for all you MAS people, please remember to bring STL sectionals. We always exhaust the FBO's supply in the first 3 hours of the school ;D
MAS MP student here.. thanks for the heads up...
Look forward to meeting you! I believe I'll be working the Scanner/Airborne Photographer/ADIS schools this year.
Are there SQTRs for an airborne photographer yet? And to be AP must one be MS?
There was a SQTR in the stuff I d/l'd from NESA a while ago, but there's still nothing in eServices.
Scanner is a pre-req, and must be at least age 18.
I read in 60-3 that AP was not previously tracked and only the wing commander or higher can input this specialty as I read in 60-3 so my question is why would an AP need to be scanner qualified? What makes a scanner not qualified to do AP as a MS? In fact I believe a MS can also do aerial photography as part of the MS tasks???
Quote from: mynetdude on May 06, 2010, 11:22:04 PM
I read in 60-3 that AP was not previously tracked and only the wing commander or higher can input this specialty as I read in 60-3 so my question is why would an AP need to be scanner qualified?
The short answer - because they said so. Realistically, I think they want to you to know your way around what's going on during mission flying before you start doing AP stuff. The physiology of the job can be a bit different that just scanning. Ask the ARCHER operators about that. Plus, the qualification includes more than just pointing a camera outside and pushing the button.
QuoteWhat makes a scanner not qualified to do AP as a MS?
What
does make a scanner qualified. There are no related tasks in the MS SQTR.
QuoteIn fact I believe a MS can also do aerial photography as part of the MS tasks???
Nope.See above.
The task guide and SQTR book is 181 pages. As soon as i find the linky, I'll post it. I thought I got it from the NESA site, but can't track it down right now.
QUALIFIED SUPERVISOR CHART (http://www.capmembers.com/media/cms/QUALIFIED_SUPERVISOR_CHART_887FF22488458.pdf)
Quote from: Spaceman3750 on May 06, 2010, 03:25:23 PM
Will there be laundry facilities available this year? When I was there in 06 they said there may be, and they have said the same every year, but there wasn't and I would have given my left arm to do laundry.
There are laundry facilities. Always were.
Over by the PX.
[nuked; see below]
Quote from: SarDragon on May 07, 2010, 03:16:02 AM
EUREKA!
Airborne Photography Videography Handouts (http://http%3a//thunewatch.squarespace.com/multimedia/Airborne%2520Photography%2520%2520Videography%2520Handouts1.pdf)
As you can see, this pretty complex.
Enjoy!
Link don't work sir
Try it now.
Airborne Photography Videography Handouts (http://thunewatch.squarespace.com/multimedia/Airborne%20Photography%20%20Videography%20Handouts1.pdf)
As you can see, this pretty complex.
Enjoy!
i was just woundering how hard is basic GSAR and if it has BCUT thats all i need for my GTM3 Qual but i look foward to my first experience at NESA 8)
Quote from: Wolfman21 on May 07, 2010, 04:21:31 AM
i was just woundering how hard is basic GSAR and if it has BCUT thats all i need for my GTM3 Qual but i look foward to my first experience at NESA 8)
Your CC or comm officer can do BCUT with you in a couple of hours.
Quote from: davidsinn on May 07, 2010, 05:11:35 AM
Quote from: Wolfman21 on May 07, 2010, 04:21:31 AM
i was just woundering how hard is basic GSAR and if it has BCUT thats all i need for my GTM3 Qual but i look foward to my first experience at NESA 8)
Your CC or comm officer can do BCUT with you in a couple of hours.
Ours can do it in an hour, BCUT is simply a slideshow presentation or self study (I did the self study).
Quote from: mynetdude on May 06, 2010, 11:22:04 PM
Quote from: SarDragon on May 06, 2010, 11:17:08 PM
Quote from: mynetdude on May 06, 2010, 01:56:43 PM
Quote from: SJFedor on May 06, 2010, 05:46:05 AM
Quote from: FastAttack on May 06, 2010, 03:14:43 AM
Quote from: SJFedor on May 05, 2010, 10:11:47 PM
And for all you MAS people, please remember to bring STL sectionals. We always exhaust the FBO's supply in the first 3 hours of the school ;D
MAS MP student here.. thanks for the heads up...
Look forward to meeting you! I believe I'll be working the Scanner/Airborne Photographer/ADIS schools this year.
Are there SQTRs for an airborne photographer yet? And to be AP must one be MS?
There was a SQTR in the stuff I d/l'd from NESA a while ago, but there's still nothing in eServices.
Scanner is a pre-req, and must be at least age 18.
I read in 60-3 that AP was not previously tracked and only the wing commander or higher can input this specialty as I read in 60-3 so my question is why would an AP need to be scanner qualified? What makes a scanner not qualified to do AP as a MS? In fact I believe a MS can also do aerial photography as part of the MS tasks???
As previously mentioned, there's nothing in the MS SQTR that prepares a scanner to do any form of airborne photography. the AP qualification focuses on just that: how to take pictures from an airplane, how to take them correctly, how to format them, how to use the equipment (cameras) correctly, including settings and whatnot.
Nothing about doing the MS SQTR prepares one to do the AP job.
And MS will be a pre-req for AP/ADIS once the SQTRs come out. Right now, as mentioned, the Wing/CC or higher has to put the qual in. Those that graduate from the NESA program do find AP on their 101 cards.
Quote from: DG on May 07, 2010, 01:58:20 AM
Quote from: Spaceman3750 on May 06, 2010, 03:25:23 PM
Will there be laundry facilities available this year? When I was there in 06 they said there may be, and they have said the same every year, but there wasn't and I would have given my left arm to do laundry.
There are laundry facilities. Always were.
Over by the PX.
Yup, right by the PX. And, if you've got your own transportation available, there's actually a laundromat about 2-3 miles from post, right by the domino's pizza that you can drop your stuff off and they wash it and fold it for you. Pretty cost effective. I did 10 day's worth of laundry there for maybe $18, folded and all.
Quote from: SJFedor on May 07, 2010, 08:01:35 AM
Pretty cost effective. I did 10 day's worth of laundry there for maybe $18, folded and all.
You sir, are most definitely an apartment dwelling bachelor if you consider that cost effective. :o My wife and I can do months worth of laundry for that price. ;D Heck I used to know a place where you could get 5 gallons of Tide for $25. That'd last a couple of years at least.
There's a difference.
When you're in a pinch, out of your normal area/surroundings, and have limited time and or means, that $18 isn't such a bad deal at all, all things considered.
It's either that or stomping on towels after using the hot shower water, and hanging near the A/C unit with the room on "eskimo" mode, cold .. but dry as the A/C is a great dehumidifier.
Of course, that's if there's an A/C unit available ;-)
..and then you may need to iron it.
No a/c at NESA :(. At least not last time I was there. Thanks for the info though, I will definitely try to find some time to run to the PX to do laundry! :)
EDIT: Looking at the schedule, there will be no time for that :(...
Most of the barracks now have A/C. The ones we will be using in the foreseeable future should all have A/C now. We are generally limited to a certain block now at Atterbury as they have removed most of the full service kitchens in the other blocks.
Quote from: husker on May 07, 2010, 06:22:21 PM
Most of the barracks now have A/C. The ones we will be using in the foreseeable future should all have A/C now. We are generally limited to a certain block now at Atterbury as they have removed most of the full service kitchens in the other blocks.
You just made my day sir :).
Quote from: mynetdude on May 07, 2010, 07:20:29 AM
Quote from: davidsinn on May 07, 2010, 05:11:35 AM
Quote from: Wolfman21 on May 07, 2010, 04:21:31 AM
i was just woundering how hard is basic GSAR and if it has BCUT thats all i need for my GTM3 Qual but i look foward to my first experience at NESA 8)
Your CC or comm officer can do BCUT with you in a couple of hours.
Ours can do it in an hour, BCUT is simply a slideshow presentation or self study (I did the self study).
Then you're missing some material. My BCUT classes usually go about an hour and forty-five minutes to get in all the info.
Quote from: SarDragon on May 07, 2010, 08:03:54 PM
Quote from: mynetdude on May 07, 2010, 07:20:29 AM
Quote from: davidsinn on May 07, 2010, 05:11:35 AM
Quote from: Wolfman21 on May 07, 2010, 04:21:31 AM
i was just woundering how hard is basic GSAR and if it has BCUT thats all i need for my GTM3 Qual but i look foward to my first experience at NESA 8)
Your CC or comm officer can do BCUT with you in a couple of hours.
Ours can do it in an hour, BCUT is simply a slideshow presentation or self study (I did the self study).
Then you're missing some material. My BCUT classes usually go about an hour and forty-five minutes to get in all the info.
oh wait, I forgot the practical portion... I need not do that when renewing my BCUT :P ACUT doesn't expire but BCUT does.
Why not do the practical portion when renewing? What if there's something that has changed in a reg that might benefit from the practice. Something that comes to mind is the new A/C call sign scheme - 'CAP' vice 'CAPflight'.
As a part of our ROA training, we do a short tabletop exercise, where the students follow a scripted scenario and actually operate radios (ISRs) and get some hands-on experience. I see no reason to skip any chance for practical application of our skills.
1 quick question.
are we still getting the welcome packet via mail?
just curious.
Quote from: SarDragon on May 08, 2010, 02:22:29 AM
Why not do the practical portion when renewing? What if there's something that has changed in a reg that might benefit from the practice. Something that comes to mind is the new A/C call sign scheme - 'CAP' vice 'CAPflight'.
As a part of our ROA training, we do a short tabletop exercise, where the students follow a scripted scenario and actually operate radios (ISRs) and get some hands-on experience. I see no reason to skip any chance for practical application of our skills.
because I don't feel there is a need to perform the practical side of it when renewing unless there has been a significant change and yes I am fully aware of the change from CAPflight to CAP for aircraft but it doesn't matter what the rules are people still use CAPflight in our wing and that does not mean I will go along with what they are doing.
Quote from: FastAttack on May 08, 2010, 03:44:23 AM
1 quick question.
are we still getting the welcome packet via mail?
just curious.
Yes, you should get a packet any day now. I know they were working on them this past week.
Quote from: husker on May 09, 2010, 02:00:01 AM
Quote from: FastAttack on May 08, 2010, 03:44:23 AM
1 quick question.
are we still getting the welcome packet via mail?
just curious.
Yes, you should get a packet any day now. I know they were working on them this past week.
Great thank you.
So I have a quick question for anyone who can help.
I just checked my application status on the NESA site, and it says I have been accepted for both scanner & observer (YEA)!! ;D
my question is, it says accepted to both for session 1.
shouldn't it be scanner in session 1 and obs in session 2?
who would I contact about this? the course director listed on the MAS info section?
Quote from: davidsinn on May 07, 2010, 02:59:34 PM
Quote from: SJFedor on May 07, 2010, 08:01:35 AM
Pretty cost effective. I did 10 day's worth of laundry there for maybe $18, folded and all.
You sir, are most definitely an apartment dwelling bachelor if you consider that cost effective. :o My wife and I can do months worth of laundry for that price. ;D Heck I used to know a place where you could get 5 gallons of Tide for $25. That'd last a couple of years at least.
but they fold it, and that's definitely worth the money. ;D
Quote from: SarDragon on May 07, 2010, 08:03:54 PM
Quote from: mynetdude on May 07, 2010, 07:20:29 AM
Quote from: davidsinn on May 07, 2010, 05:11:35 AM
Quote from: Wolfman21 on May 07, 2010, 04:21:31 AM
i was just woundering how hard is basic GSAR and if it has BCUT thats all i need for my GTM3 Qual but i look foward to my first experience at NESA 8)
Your CC or comm officer can do BCUT with you in a couple of hours.
Ours can do it in an hour, BCUT is simply a slideshow presentation or self study (I did the self study).
Then you're missing some material. My BCUT classes usually go about an hour and forty-five minutes to get in all the info.
The squadron commander has told me along with others in the squadron that its an all day event and were tlkn bout KY wing so we dont have BCUT slides yet online if you could give me a link for the BCUT slideshow or some testmaterial i can get online id appreceate it
Quote from: Lt Buzzbear on May 10, 2010, 07:57:08 PM
So I have a quick question for anyone who can help.
I just checked my application status on the NESA site, and it says I have been accepted for both scanner & observer (YEA)!! ;D
my question is, it says accepted to both for session 1.
shouldn't it be scanner in session 1 and obs in session 2?
who would I contact about this? the course director listed on the MAS info section?
i would say so if not him it would be the NESA director maby
Quote from: Lt Buzzbear on May 10, 2010, 07:57:08 PM
So I have a quick question for anyone who can help.
I just checked my application status on the NESA site, and it says I have been accepted for both scanner & observer (YEA)!! ;D
my question is, it says accepted to both for session 1.
shouldn't it be scanner in session 1 and obs in session 2?
who would I contact about this? the course director listed on the MAS info section?
Email the MAS director, he'll forward your issue onto the right people at National to get it corrected.
BCUT is a classroom course. No online assets are available for self-study purposes.
Quote from: SarDragon on May 13, 2010, 06:08:03 PM
BCUT is a classroom course. No online assets are available for self-study purposes.
Ok, thank you for the info sir, I also keep hearing about BCUT slides being uploaded online and that they are going to change it to needing ICUT instead of BCUT, if there isn't a thread already on BCUT I will start one so this doesn't get too far off thread.
Quote from: SarDragon on May 13, 2010, 06:08:03 PM
BCUT is a classroom course. No online assets are available for self-study purposes.
Actually, some wings have developed eLearning platforms to complete the BCUT course....
I found out from the DESO in our squadron that Ohio wing has an online BCUT slides but I don't know how to find it he said that I can take a BCUT slides from any wing online and it will be counted...any comments ? or advise ?
Advice.
Find a class and take it. As a cadet, the student-instructor, and inter-student interaction will be of great benefit. You will end up learning a lot more about CAP radio operation. And that's the objective of the course. You shouldn't treat it as "just another punch on my ticket."
Ok, thanks...I kinda learned that you should NEVER choose something else over rare training....most of the time it ends being that one thing holding you back and that's why whenever something in training is scheduled I try to get in on it.
Ok I have yet to receive the welcome packet but its my understanding they are on there way.
The thing that i have a big question is about the OPS orders.
They have yet to be posted. Honestly I don't know what to bring other than what previous year attendees have told me to prepare. ( MAS school)
One pilot indicated to me to bring a sleeping bag even though i am staying at the barracks ( seems like they don't give you sheets?)
anyhow we are getting close to the date and I need to make sure i cover myself as far as items needed for NESA.
Thanks
Quote from: FastAttack on May 19, 2010, 04:12:24 AM
Ok I have yet to receive the welcome packet but its my understanding they are on there way.
The thing that i have a big question is about the OPS orders.
They have yet to be posted. Honestly I don't know what to bring other than what previous year attendees have told me to prepare. ( MAS school)
One pilot indicated to me to bring a sleeping bag even though i am staying at the barracks ( seems like they don't give you sheets?)
anyhow we are getting close to the date and I need to make sure i cover myself as far as items needed for NESA.
Thanks
St Louis sectional (2 preferred), headset if you have one (theyre in short supply), note taking materials, plotter, pens/pencils, at least 1 uniform (green flight suit preferred, then blue flight suit, corporates least preferred but acceptable) a few pairs of khaki shorts and white socks/tennis shoes for the alternate approved uniform (if you wanna wear it), tshirts provided by school, clothes for a week or 2 depending on how long you're staying, all the normal toiletries, etc. sunglasses, suntan lotion, something to bring water w/ you in the aircraft (i hang my camelback on the seat and put the tube over my shoulder).
they do NOT provide you with sheets or anything like that, so bring your own. sleeping bags work better, as even though it gets hot as sin during the day, it gets pretty cool at night there. a reflective belt if you can get your hands on one before hand, as they tend to go quickly at the PX on arrival. you're required to wear one anytime you're outside the contonement area from sundown to sunrise, and the MP's enforce it heavily.
I'll see if I can dig up the pack list from previous years, give me a day or two...
Quote from: SJFedor on May 19, 2010, 06:06:48 AM
Quote from: FastAttack on May 19, 2010, 04:12:24 AM
Ok I have yet to receive the welcome packet but its my understanding they are on there way.
The thing that i have a big question is about the OPS orders.
They have yet to be posted. Honestly I don't know what to bring other than what previous year attendees have told me to prepare. ( MAS school)
One pilot indicated to me to bring a sleeping bag even though i am staying at the barracks ( seems like they don't give you sheets?)
anyhow we are getting close to the date and I need to make sure i cover myself as far as items needed for NESA.
Thanks
St Louis sectional (2 preferred), headset if you have one (theyre in short supply), note taking materials, plotter, pens/pencils, at least 1 uniform (green flight suit preferred, then blue flight suit, corporates least preferred but acceptable) a few pairs of khaki shorts and white socks/tennis shoes for the alternate approved uniform (if you wanna wear it), tshirts provided by school, clothes for a week or 2 depending on how long you're staying, all the normal toiletries, etc. sunglasses, suntan lotion, something to bring water w/ you in the aircraft (i hang my camelback on the seat and put the tube over my shoulder).
they do NOT provide you with sheets or anything like that, so bring your own. sleeping bags work better, as even though it gets hot as sin during the day, it gets pretty cool at night there. a reflective belt if you can get your hands on one before hand, as they tend to go quickly at the PX on arrival. you're required to wear one anytime you're outside the contonement area from sundown to sunrise, and the MP's enforce it heavily.
I'll see if I can dig up the pack list from previous years, give me a day or two...
thanks again on the list.. One of the pilots that went 2 years ago told me he was surprised the OPS orders weren't even posted yet.
I thought a headset was a must for a pilot .. good thing I am taking 2 :)
As a side note i have a tablet PC that i use to take notes is there places in the classroom to put a power cord? just curious as i hate having to deal with paper ( Med school habit of putting everything in a computer)
Quote from: FastAttack on May 19, 2010, 12:36:35 PM
Quote from: SJFedor on May 19, 2010, 06:06:48 AM
Quote from: FastAttack on May 19, 2010, 04:12:24 AM
Ok I have yet to receive the welcome packet but its my understanding they are on there way.
The thing that i have a big question is about the OPS orders.
They have yet to be posted. Honestly I don't know what to bring other than what previous year attendees have told me to prepare. ( MAS school)
One pilot indicated to me to bring a sleeping bag even though i am staying at the barracks ( seems like they don't give you sheets?)
anyhow we are getting close to the date and I need to make sure i cover myself as far as items needed for NESA.
Thanks
St Louis sectional (2 preferred), headset if you have one (theyre in short supply), note taking materials, plotter, pens/pencils, at least 1 uniform (green flight suit preferred, then blue flight suit, corporates least preferred but acceptable) a few pairs of khaki shorts and white socks/tennis shoes for the alternate approved uniform (if you wanna wear it), tshirts provided by school, clothes for a week or 2 depending on how long you're staying, all the normal toiletries, etc. sunglasses, suntan lotion, something to bring water w/ you in the aircraft (i hang my camelback on the seat and put the tube over my shoulder).
they do NOT provide you with sheets or anything like that, so bring your own. sleeping bags work better, as even though it gets hot as sin during the day, it gets pretty cool at night there. a reflective belt if you can get your hands on one before hand, as they tend to go quickly at the PX on arrival. you're required to wear one anytime you're outside the contonement area from sundown to sunrise, and the MP's enforce it heavily.
I'll see if I can dig up the pack list from previous years, give me a day or two...
thanks again on the list.. One of the pilots that went 2 years ago told me he was surprised the OPS orders weren't even posted yet.
I thought a headset was a must for a pilot .. good thing I am taking 2 :)
As a side note i have a tablet PC that i use to take notes is there places in the classroom to put a power cord? just curious as i hate having to deal with paper ( Med school habit of putting everything in a computer)
They're few and far between, but you may get lucky. Which school(s) are you going through?
Also, there IS wi-fi at the airport, but we ask that students try and stay off of it, as it's a unit that was put in by the school for the airport letting us essentially take over the place for 2 weeks every year, and it tends to get bogged down quickly with 70 students all trying to play on facebook, plus the air ops staff upstairs trying to run everything.
Quote from: FastAttack on May 19, 2010, 12:36:35 PM
Quote from: SJFedor on May 19, 2010, 06:06:48 AM
Quote from: FastAttack on May 19, 2010, 04:12:24 AM
Ok I have yet to receive the welcome packet but its my understanding they are on there way.
The thing that i have a big question is about the OPS orders.
They have yet to be posted. Honestly I don't know what to bring other than what previous year attendees have told me to prepare. ( MAS school)
One pilot indicated to me to bring a sleeping bag even though i am staying at the barracks ( seems like they don't give you sheets?)
anyhow we are getting close to the date and I need to make sure i cover myself as far as items needed for NESA.
Thanks
St Louis sectional (2 preferred), headset if you have one (theyre in short supply), note taking materials, plotter, pens/pencils, at least 1 uniform (green flight suit preferred, then blue flight suit, corporates least preferred but acceptable) a few pairs of khaki shorts and white socks/tennis shoes for the alternate approved uniform (if you wanna wear it), tshirts provided by school, clothes for a week or 2 depending on how long you're staying, all the normal toiletries, etc. sunglasses, suntan lotion, something to bring water w/ you in the aircraft (i hang my camelback on the seat and put the tube over my shoulder).
they do NOT provide you with sheets or anything like that, so bring your own. sleeping bags work better, as even though it gets hot as sin during the day, it gets pretty cool at night there. a reflective belt if you can get your hands on one before hand, as they tend to go quickly at the PX on arrival. you're required to wear one anytime you're outside the contonement area from sundown to sunrise, and the MP's enforce it heavily.
I'll see if I can dig up the pack list from previous years, give me a day or two...
thanks again on the list.. One of the pilots that went 2 years ago told me he was surprised the OPS orders weren't even posted yet.
I thought a headset was a must for a pilot .. good thing I am taking 2 :)
As a side note i have a tablet PC that i use to take notes is there places in the classroom to put a power cord? just curious as i hate having to deal with paper ( Med school habit of putting everything in a computer)
I have a tablet PC, rather slow but found out it runs faster by disabling the touchscreen feature; I too dislike using paper but alas... I still type faster than I write so I guess I don't need a tablet PC as they are too cumbersome still.
Quote from: SJFedor on May 19, 2010, 09:02:04 PM
Quote from: FastAttack on May 19, 2010, 12:36:35 PM
Quote from: SJFedor on May 19, 2010, 06:06:48 AM
Quote from: FastAttack on May 19, 2010, 04:12:24 AM
Ok I have yet to receive the welcome packet but its my understanding they are on there way.
The thing that i have a big question is about the OPS orders.
They have yet to be posted. Honestly I don't know what to bring other than what previous year attendees have told me to prepare. ( MAS school)
One pilot indicated to me to bring a sleeping bag even though i am staying at the barracks ( seems like they don't give you sheets?)
anyhow we are getting close to the date and I need to make sure i cover myself as far as items needed for NESA.
Thanks
St Louis sectional (2 preferred), headset if you have one (theyre in short supply), note taking materials, plotter, pens/pencils, at least 1 uniform (green flight suit preferred, then blue flight suit, corporates least preferred but acceptable) a few pairs of khaki shorts and white socks/tennis shoes for the alternate approved uniform (if you wanna wear it), tshirts provided by school, clothes for a week or 2 depending on how long you're staying, all the normal toiletries, etc. sunglasses, suntan lotion, something to bring water w/ you in the aircraft (i hang my camelback on the seat and put the tube over my shoulder).
they do NOT provide you with sheets or anything like that, so bring your own. sleeping bags work better, as even though it gets hot as sin during the day, it gets pretty cool at night there. a reflective belt if you can get your hands on one before hand, as they tend to go quickly at the PX on arrival. you're required to wear one anytime you're outside the contonement area from sundown to sunrise, and the MP's enforce it heavily.
I'll see if I can dig up the pack list from previous years, give me a day or two...
thanks again on the list.. One of the pilots that went 2 years ago told me he was surprised the OPS orders weren't even posted yet.
I thought a headset was a must for a pilot .. good thing I am taking 2 :)
As a side note i have a tablet PC that i use to take notes is there places in the classroom to put a power cord? just curious as i hate having to deal with paper ( Med school habit of putting everything in a computer)
They're few and far between, but you may get lucky. Which school(s) are you going through?
Also, there IS wi-fi at the airport, but we ask that students try and stay off of it, as it's a unit that was put in by the school for the airport letting us essentially take over the place for 2 weeks every year, and it tends to get bogged down quickly with 70 students all trying to play on facebook, plus the air ops staff upstairs trying to run everything.
MAS , going in as a Mission Pilot..
Quote from: mynetdude on May 19, 2010, 11:23:43 PM
Quote from: FastAttack on May 19, 2010, 12:36:35 PM
Quote from: SJFedor on May 19, 2010, 06:06:48 AM
Quote from: FastAttack on May 19, 2010, 04:12:24 AM
Ok I have yet to receive the welcome packet but its my understanding they are on there way.
The thing that i have a big question is about the OPS orders.
They have yet to be posted. Honestly I don't know what to bring other than what previous year attendees have told me to prepare. ( MAS school)
One pilot indicated to me to bring a sleeping bag even though i am staying at the barracks ( seems like they don't give you sheets?)
anyhow we are getting close to the date and I need to make sure i cover myself as far as items needed for NESA.
Thanks
St Louis sectional (2 preferred), headset if you have one (theyre in short supply), note taking materials, plotter, pens/pencils, at least 1 uniform (green flight suit preferred, then blue flight suit, corporates least preferred but acceptable) a few pairs of khaki shorts and white socks/tennis shoes for the alternate approved uniform (if you wanna wear it), tshirts provided by school, clothes for a week or 2 depending on how long you're staying, all the normal toiletries, etc. sunglasses, suntan lotion, something to bring water w/ you in the aircraft (i hang my camelback on the seat and put the tube over my shoulder).
they do NOT provide you with sheets or anything like that, so bring your own. sleeping bags work better, as even though it gets hot as sin during the day, it gets pretty cool at night there. a reflective belt if you can get your hands on one before hand, as they tend to go quickly at the PX on arrival. you're required to wear one anytime you're outside the contonement area from sundown to sunrise, and the MP's enforce it heavily.
I'll see if I can dig up the pack list from previous years, give me a day or two...
thanks again on the list.. One of the pilots that went 2 years ago told me he was surprised the OPS orders weren't even posted yet.
I thought a headset was a must for a pilot .. good thing I am taking 2 :)
As a side note i have a tablet PC that i use to take notes is there places in the classroom to put a power cord? just curious as i hate having to deal with paper ( Med school habit of putting everything in a computer)
I have a tablet PC, rather slow but found out it runs faster by disabling the touchscreen feature; I too dislike using paper but alas... I still type faster than I write so I guess I don't need a tablet PC as they are too cumbersome still.
I actually use One Note and just use my ugly handwriting with my stylus ;) I type a lot faster than what i write but sometimes you need to draw so that's when this thing comes in handy.
Quote from: FastAttack on May 20, 2010, 03:12:09 AM
Quote from: mynetdude on May 19, 2010, 11:23:43 PM
Quote from: FastAttack on May 19, 2010, 12:36:35 PM
Quote from: SJFedor on May 19, 2010, 06:06:48 AM
Quote from: FastAttack on May 19, 2010, 04:12:24 AM
Ok I have yet to receive the welcome packet but its my understanding they are on there way.
The thing that i have a big question is about the OPS orders.
They have yet to be posted. Honestly I don't know what to bring other than what previous year attendees have told me to prepare. ( MAS school)
One pilot indicated to me to bring a sleeping bag even though i am staying at the barracks ( seems like they don't give you sheets?)
anyhow we are getting close to the date and I need to make sure i cover myself as far as items needed for NESA.
Thanks
St Louis sectional (2 preferred), headset if you have one (theyre in short supply), note taking materials, plotter, pens/pencils, at least 1 uniform (green flight suit preferred, then blue flight suit, corporates least preferred but acceptable) a few pairs of khaki shorts and white socks/tennis shoes for the alternate approved uniform (if you wanna wear it), tshirts provided by school, clothes for a week or 2 depending on how long you're staying, all the normal toiletries, etc. sunglasses, suntan lotion, something to bring water w/ you in the aircraft (i hang my camelback on the seat and put the tube over my shoulder).
they do NOT provide you with sheets or anything like that, so bring your own. sleeping bags work better, as even though it gets hot as sin during the day, it gets pretty cool at night there. a reflective belt if you can get your hands on one before hand, as they tend to go quickly at the PX on arrival. you're required to wear one anytime you're outside the contonement area from sundown to sunrise, and the MP's enforce it heavily.
I'll see if I can dig up the pack list from previous years, give me a day or two...
thanks again on the list.. One of the pilots that went 2 years ago told me he was surprised the OPS orders weren't even posted yet.
I thought a headset was a must for a pilot .. good thing I am taking 2 :)
As a side note i have a tablet PC that i use to take notes is there places in the classroom to put a power cord? just curious as i hate having to deal with paper ( Med school habit of putting everything in a computer)
I have a tablet PC, rather slow but found out it runs faster by disabling the touchscreen feature; I too dislike using paper but alas... I still type faster than I write so I guess I don't need a tablet PC as they are too cumbersome still.
I actually use One Note and just use my ugly handwriting with my stylus ;) I type a lot faster than what i write but sometimes you need to draw so that's when this thing comes in handy.
Yeah OneNote=Awesome, have fun at NESA :)
Quote from: FastAttack on May 20, 2010, 03:11:05 AM
MAS , going in as a Mission Pilot..
Great, you'll love it. Bringing an extra headset if you have the means is always great, as sometimes your MO doesn't come as prepared.
Hello all,
I am attending the scanner training (session 1) and observer training (session 2) & i am curious, will be also become qualified on flight line marshalling and airborne photography during this training?
thanks,
and cheers
Quote from: Lt Buzzbear on May 21, 2010, 09:56:02 AM
Hello all,
I am attending the scanner training (session 1) and observer training (session 2) & i am curious, will be also become qualified on flight line marshalling and airborne photography during this training?
thanks,
and cheers
I think I read somewhere that NESA doesn't offer FLM training, NBB does I think
The 2010 Policies and Procedures manual has been uploaded to the NESA site (under the Participant Information link). It includes important information (travel, policies, packing lists, etc.) for all schools under NESA.
So I didn't find this on the site but what exactly is staff more specifically Comm Staff suppose to bring?
In regards to NESA 2010, Are we waiting on a package in the USPS mail for items, or do we get all of our information off the website, and materials when we get there?
What information/materials are you referring to?
Quote from: husker on May 24, 2010, 11:46:28 PM
What information/materials are you referring to?
I guess he means the welcome packet.
Quote from: Lt Buzzbear on May 21, 2010, 09:56:02 AM
Hello all,
I am attending the scanner training (session 1) and observer training (session 2) & i am curious, will be also become qualified on flight line marshalling and airborne photography during this training?
thanks,
and cheers
No and yes.
You'll qualify on MS, AP, (maybe) ADIS, and MO. You'll be too busy flying and in the classroom to be on the flight line.
Seems I am fixated on the welcome packet,
but shouldn't it have arrived by now?
Also is it that important to have?
If you don't have it by now, you probably won't get one. You can just download the forms and Policies and Procedures Guide from the website under the Participant Information link. Just email or fax the forms in (address on the site).
Quote from: husker on May 29, 2010, 02:23:15 PM
If you don't have it by now, you probably won't get one. You can just download the forms and Policies and Procedures Guide from the website under the Participant Information link. Just email or fax the forms in (address on the site).
i sent those in already. I am complete other than trying to find out if they slot me as a pilot or an Observer ( which I am already qual'd for)
as a side note I registered the day that registration opened..
You can check your application and acceptance status on the Applicant Status link on the NESA site.
Quote from: husker on May 29, 2010, 05:30:11 PM
You can check your application and acceptance status on the Applicant Status link on the NESA site.
I've already been accepted the problem is the system doesn't tell you if for MP/Mo as it lists it as the same program.
Quote from: FastAttack on May 29, 2010, 03:44:27 PM
Quote from: husker on May 29, 2010, 02:23:15 PM
If you don't have it by now, you probably won't get one. You can just download the forms and Policies and Procedures Guide from the website under the Participant Information link. Just email or fax the forms in (address on the site).
i sent those in already. I am complete other than trying to find out if they slot me as a pilot or an Observer ( which I am already qual'd for)
as a side note I registered the day that registration opened..
If you applied for MP, you should have gotten MP. Granted we typically have more MP's than MO's, but if you requested MP track, and were accepted, you should have an MP slot.
So is there any kind of packing list for Staff?
Quote from: maverik on June 01, 2010, 12:37:34 AM
So is there any kind of packing list for Staff?
Read the policies and procedures for 2010 and you will find a reference to what to bring.
Does anyone have any more information on the MAS Advanced course. I see that there is a course schedule but it's a 10,000 foot view of the course, and I'm looking for some Nap of the Earth info ;)
Does it involve the G-1000, do we need a Form 5 in the G-1000, etc.
Thanks all!
Quote from: Mission Pilot on June 01, 2010, 03:40:14 PM
Does anyone have any more information on the MAS Advanced course. I see that there is a course schedule but it's a 10,000 foot view of the course, and I'm looking for some Nap of the Earth info ;)
Does it involve the G-1000, do we need a Form 5 in the G-1000, etc.
Thanks all!
From what I read, yes it will have the g1000 as a platform, if you are acting as pic you need to be fits and form 5'd
Not sure if they will provide the basic ground school and fits scenario flights there, and a form 5.
I am going in as intermed mp ... and even though I am g1000 quald I highly doubt I will be flying a g1000 aircraft at nesa.
Thanks FA..
Anyone on staff have any information on the Advanced Course?
Quote from: Who_knows? on June 01, 2010, 03:26:52 PM
Quote from: maverik on June 01, 2010, 12:37:34 AM
So is there any kind of packing list for Staff?
Read the policies and procedures for 2010 and you will find a reference to what to bring.
Roger,
One more question I see on a page where it says GSAR Staff/ICSS staff (I'm ICSS since I'm comm staff.) and it says bring water in a bottle or canteen, but that is all the reference to staff I see so should I follow the ICSS student packing list?
Quote from: maverik on June 02, 2010, 02:05:09 AM
Quote from: Who_knows? on June 01, 2010, 03:26:52 PM
Quote from: maverik on June 01, 2010, 12:37:34 AM
So is there any kind of packing list for Staff?
Read the policies and procedures for 2010 and you will find a reference to what to bring.
Roger,
One more question I see on a page where it says GSAR Staff/ICSS staff (I'm ICSS since I'm comm staff.) and it says bring water in a bottle or canteen, but that is all the reference to staff I see so should I follow the ICSS student packing list?
Are you part of the staff teaching Comm or are you part of the comm staff that runs comm for the activity? Big difference between the two. In any case since you are not going to be in the field very much, bring the normal stuff you would as a staff member to an encampment, minus your blues and you will do fine.
Quote from: maverik on June 02, 2010, 02:05:09 AM
Quote from: Who_knows? on June 01, 2010, 03:26:52 PM
Quote from: maverik on June 01, 2010, 12:37:34 AM
So is there any kind of packing list for Staff?
Read the policies and procedures for 2010 and you will find a reference to what to bring.
Roger,
One more question I see on a page where it says GSAR Staff/ICSS staff (I'm ICSS since I'm comm staff.) and it says bring water in a bottle or canteen, but that is all the reference to staff I see so should I follow the ICSS student packing list?
You are in the Comm staff, so just bring what you would to an encampment (minus blues) and bring your 24 Hour gear.
Roger,
Thanks for the Clarification
for transportation from IND to the base is there a phone number we can call just in case if nobody is there to pick us up?
2nd how hard is it to get transported from the base to Columbus Municipal?
should I be seeking a rent a car or something?
Hey FA,
Don't worry about a car as there was plenty of space with bumming rides in other members cars. In fact it's a good way to meet other folks on your course. I'd offer you a ride in our van but it's only for Californian's and Surfboards :) :P 8)
Are you first week?
Quote from: Mission Pilot on June 04, 2010, 07:55:57 PM
Hey FA,
Don't worry about a car as there was plenty of space with bumming rides in other members cars. In fact it's a good way to meet other folks on your course. I'd offer you a ride in our van but it's only for Californian's and Surfboards :) :P 8)
Are you first week?
First week.. hard to believe that we are only 1 week away.
Hehe , I fly to Cali a lot , my grandmother lives in Canyon Lake near San Diego , i been meaning to drop by some squadrons but the last time I was there the family got together and didn't even have a chance to stop by. Plus the squadron commander from Hemet is really good friend's of my grandmother and he has been asking for me to go to one of their meetings and experience "true flying " vs flying swamp land flying here in Florida. ( he says we got it way to easy here)
Thanks for the heads up, i don't mind bumming rides and your right its great that we get to meet people.
Cool, see you there. Fingers crossed for good weather for our two day 1800 nm flight.
Quote from: Mission Pilot on June 04, 2010, 11:48:20 PM
Cool, see you there. Fingers crossed for good weather for our two day 1800 nm flight.
I am still awaiting confirmation about my flight, i might be flying a 182t from my wing over.. but being honest i don't feel like flying for 2 days :) ( even though its only a 5 hour flight ) T-storms are bad down here.
either way got my ticket just in case.
Yeah, I flew my plane from FL to CA last Aug... WX Radar and XM Weather were vital.
Will be there first week, MAS Intermediate Observer track. Looks like, fun, will be my first year.
Quote from: Mission Pilot on June 05, 2010, 02:08:36 PM
Yeah, I flew my plane from FL to CA last Aug... WX Radar and XM Weather were vital.
Well flying over with a wing 182. I am departing Friday morning. see you other pilots there on Friday.
Be safe, see you there!
Quote from: Mission Pilot on June 09, 2010, 02:56:46 PM
Be safe, see you there!
I've yet to get the details on who is picking us up at the airport. I just changed my NESA info to reflect the new itinerary .. I still want to get some sort of contact phone number.
just in case.
Plus I get a nice new 182T with a GFC700 :) to bad they didn't activate the XM radio.
see you there.
Quote from: FastAttack on June 09, 2010, 03:47:53 PM
Quote from: Mission Pilot on June 09, 2010, 02:56:46 PM
Be safe, see you there!
I've yet to get the details on who is picking us up at the airport. I just changed my NESA info to reflect the new itinerary .. I still want to get some sort of contact phone number.
just in case.
Plus I get a nice new 182T with a GFC700 :) to bad they didn't activate the XM radio.
see you there.
Are you flying into BAK? And are you flying a CAP aircraft on the mission?
If so, you should already have the contact info for the officer handling all the inbound sorties. If not, unless you're arriving really late in the day, there should be people at BAK in our little air ops center.
Quote from: SJFedor on June 10, 2010, 04:16:54 AM
Quote from: FastAttack on June 09, 2010, 03:47:53 PM
Quote from: Mission Pilot on June 09, 2010, 02:56:46 PM
Be safe, see you there!
I've yet to get the details on who is picking us up at the airport. I just changed my NESA info to reflect the new itinerary .. I still want to get some sort of contact phone number.
just in case.
Plus I get a nice new 182T with a GFC700 :) to bad they didn't activate the XM radio.
see you there.
Are you flying into BAK? And are you flying a CAP aircraft on the mission?
If so, you should already have the contact info for the officer handling all the inbound sorties. If not, unless you're arriving really late in the day, there should be people at BAK in our little air ops center.
i got the information the day that i left. it was all good.. got there Friday at 4pm.
Good Flight over,
going back this Saturday to pick it up and fly it back.
out of curiosity are they posting the 2010 pictures yet?
I was so dam busy with MP school that I didn't really take any lol.
It looks like she's still in the process of uploading pictures but the NESA link on Flickr is
http://www.flickr.com/photos/capnesa/.
Quote from: Spaceman3750 on July 01, 2010, 06:48:53 PM
It looks like she's still in the process of uploading pictures but the NESA link on Flickr is
http://www.flickr.com/photos/capnesa/.
thanks most of week 1 pics are there :)
Does anyone know approximately when ES qualifications for NESA graduates will be entered into e-services? I have a SAREX coming up in a few weeks & would like to have 101 card updated so that I will be able to participate in air ops. Do we get a hardcopy certificate or letter for schools attended?
I received great flight training, advice, and support from my instructors and pilots during MAS Basic and Intermediate courses.
When I used to do this for my wing a long time ago, it varied year to year, even wing to wing. Sometimes the tasks were entered while at NESA, others we were given the printouts and I entered them.
If you need it ASAP, take your signed task book (or printout from NESA) to your unit ESO and they can enter and/or approve it. I used to tell my unit to enter the data themselves and it would come to me for approval. What the SOP is in your unit may vary.
I can't speak for MAS, but GSAR quals were all done on PDAs and uploaded automatically to eServices at the end of the week. I take it that's not the case with you?
I entered it straight into E-services with my MAS instructors CAPID, and then clicked it to my squadron commander for final approval. Seemed to go smooth, I had my observer rating within days of returning from NESA. No paper or forms needed.
MAS here,
i got my instructors signatures and i inputted the info on e-services myself.
As far as the mission numbers..
I did the A number with S( indicating sortie) and the number sortie that i flew.
all I am missing is my f91 which I am taking tomorrow.