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[thefischNX01]

I was going to propose a Khaki service uniform way back in September.  I had actually found a shirt that was cheaper than the AF style, but i wasn't sure how professional it looked

[Earhart1971]

So there is pin on rank on the coat, and on the flight cap.  Won't this cause the same problem that happened before?  There will be many confused service men and women not sure what branch of service the individual they are saluting is from.  Or they will wonder what new Air Force uniform this is, and why they had not heard about it.  Could this be confused for a new Active Duty service dress?  My answer is yes, and in the months to come, I am sure we will hear stories of such happenings.  Other than that, from the pic, it may not be a bad looking uniform.

Confused?  No, I think the National Commander is trying to get our own uniform so the Air Force can no longer dictate, the color of the day epaulet rank.

When I was in Air Force Basic the DI said if you are unsure Salute.

No Confusion, a lot of it is, some ( a minority of Air Force types) think CAP is nothing but a few wanna be types that could not get in the Air Force, so they are living their military dreams in the CAP.

Having been in both, I think CAP is a lot more fun, if only they would correct the pay problem, LOL!

If someone is walking by and he has more rank than you, you salute,

At Maxwell AFB they have foreign officers, attending some of the schools, and they get salutes all the time, and occasionally nobody know who outranks who, its OK, just salute.

[Earhart1971]

I was going to propose a Khaki service uniform way back in September.  I had actually found a shirt that was cheaper than the AF style, but i wasn't sure how professional it looked

There are some great looking BDUs that come in solid TAN, and I just prefer a lighter color in the heat, if you are out slugging through the woods in the Florida Sun, tan is cooler, than dark blue.


The Green Camo - looks terrible, mixed with blue name tags, and such.

And the Camo has no function in CAP, we need to be visible from the air.

[mikeylikey]

They really should change the color of the nametapes and rank to match the Air Force.  Heck they changed to the blue and white tapes and rank when the Air Force adopted them in 1956?? (not sure, one book says 56, another says 65).  It sure would be easier to buy the Air Force subdued rank patch at the AAFES MCSS, then paying a crap load of shipping to vanguard.  I would like to see how much corporate CAP is making off the whole close capmart......outsource to vanguard thing.  CAPMART had a $34,000 gain in '04, and a $37,000 gain in '05.

[Matt]

[...] And the Camo has no function in CAP, we need to be visible from the air.

Orange Vest, Orange Helmet?

The real reason we wear the camo, as I'm to understand it is simplicity to the AF.  We get stuff free, can't beat free from the Gov't, we pay for it in taxes!

[thefischNX01]

Personally, I don't have a problem with the blue on the Cammo...it makes us distinctive and separates us from the armed forces.  For me, it separates me from the actual military guys on campus, but still appear to be a "Defender of the Homeland" if you will.

I'll even admit to calling the air force style short sleeve and long sleeve uniform a "CAP distinctive" uniform.  Before you all start yelling at me, Here's my logic:

If you place officer in the USAF and USCG together in a line wearing the short sleeve shirt combo, they would look similar.  The only real difference is the Cover, Belt, Nametag and Epaulets.  (granted, the pants are slightly different, but to the casual observer, they're not).  If you add a CAP officer to the mix, the difference is pretty much the same.  The Cover has different insignia, and the nametag is grey, as are the epaulets.  The belt is where things get tricky, and personally, i wish we could wear a black belt with silver buckle to distinguish us a little more.  Additionally, I was a big advocate of the Wing Patch on the Blues because that further separated us from the USAF and USCG while in uniform (although I understand the logic behind it's removal). In my opinion, the blues are still distinctive, just not to the casual observer.  But then again, all military-esque uniforms look similar to the casual observer.   

Now, of course, i would never be so bold as to call the Service Dress a "CAP Distinctive" uniform...

[Monty]

The only real difference is the Cover, Belt, Nametag and Epaulets.  (granted, the pants are slightly different, but to the casual observer, they're not).  If you add a CAP officer to the mix, the difference is pretty much the same.  The Cover has different insignia, and the nametag is grey, as are the epaulets. 

I don't want to jump to conclusions so, just to make sure we are on the same sheet of music.....what's a cover (in this context?)

CAPM 39-1 wasn't very forthcoming on "covers"....   (Hopefully you get my hint.)

Mispelling names is one thing (all that abbreviation jazz.)  Calling someone/something the wrong name is way off course....

That'd be like Squadron A saying, "our cadets dogface to the banana patch often" while Squadron B says, "our cadets race to the nearest restaurant often."

[ZigZag911]

"Cover" = Hat! (flight cap, service cap, BDU cap....any headgear)

[shorning]

"Cover" = Hat! (flight cap, service cap, BDU cap....any headgear)

I always thought "cover" was something you hide under when you did E&E.  Uh, I guess that's another reason always to use the correct terms for things...

[ZigZag911]

It's all a question of context, isn't it?!?

In an E & E situation, I'd sure like to have a lot better 'cover' than a hat!

[shorning]

In an E & E situation, I'd sure like to have a lot better 'cover' than a hat!

Yeah...like Spectre...