I want to be a medic at the 2013-2014 KSWG Winter Encampment

Started by AACS Cadet21, July 19, 2013, 02:34:57 AM

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AACS Cadet21

So I want to be a medic at encampment this winter, do I need first-aid training? And yes, I have been to an encampment as a basic, the 2013 COWG Falcon Encampment to be exact. Anyway I haven't found ANY information on the Kansas encampment and their website is down.... I did manage to learn that the deadline for applications is July 31st. If anyone has info or an application that'd be awesome.  The medics at my encampment were GREAT and I'm very happy that I got to know them.... They were really influential to me because I was sick the whole week.... I knew them better than my own flightmates lol  ;D

cap235629

Bill Hobbs, Major, CAP
Arkansas Certified Emergency Manager
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AACS Cadet21


Eclipse

Quote from: AACS Cadet21 on July 19, 2013, 03:31:10 AM
?

There are no CAP "medics".  At best there are Health Service Officers.  Yes medical professionals are
assigned at various echelons as MO's (who are MD's) and RNOs (RNs), but they are restricted to the
same first-aid level of care as everyone else.

CAP's position on providing medical care is limited to first-aid only, with professional EMS brought in
as soon s possible.  There isn't supposed to be a "sick call", "triage", "etc." if you're sick, you should go home.

If you look at other threads, you will see this is a very contentious issue within CAP.

With that said, check with the encampment staff for requirements to serve on the Health Services Staff,
assuming there is one next year.

"That Others May Zoom"

AACS Cadet21

I know, but saying "medic" is easier than saying "Heath Service Officer" I can't find ANYTHING about the Kansas encampment!  >:(

Eclipse

Quote from: AACS Cadet21 on July 19, 2013, 03:55:28 PM
I know, but saying "medic" is easier than saying "Heath Service Officer" I can't find ANYTHING about the Kansas encampment!  >:(

Yes, it's also "hardkewler", but does not describe the situation or position properly, and because it's a sore point
for a lot of people, tends to put a conversation on edge.  Part of CAP is understanding that there are proper terms
for things and when you learn them you should use them.

http://www.kswgcap.com/

The above indicates that the wing web page is down for extended maintenance, and provides several emails
for applications and contacts.  Your best bet is to use those.   It says you have about a week left for an app.


"That Others May Zoom"

Storm Chaser

If the encampment didn't publish any cadet staff openings to assist the medical or health services officer, then I don't see how you would be able to apply to such position. If this position was available, I'm sure they would want someone with some level of training, experience and/or qualifications in a medical field (e.g. EMS, RN, etc.).

The fact that you're asking this question leads me to believe that you don't have this type of training; not even basic first aid? So my question to you is, how would you be useful in this role if the position was in fact available?

AACS Cadet21

Yes, actually I do have first-aid training, I'm not part of any Kansas wing so naturally I don't know how to apply for their encampments...

UH60guy

Quote from: Eclipse on July 19, 2013, 03:37:00 AM

There are no CAP "medics".  At best there are Health Service Officers.  Yes medical professionals are
assigned at various echelons as MO's (who are MD's) and RNOs (RNs), but they are restricted to the
same first-aid level of care as everyone else.

This may very well be one of the non-standardized things between wings or just one of the regs people choose to ignore. Not saying it's the right answer, but I just got back from an encampment two weeks ago where we did indeed have cadet staff positions titled "medic." His wing may have something similar.

(not to get that kinda discussion again here, but their function was mostly to buddy carry ankle twist victims to a CAP van or squirt water on cadets to beat the heat- not what you normally think of as a capital-M "Medic")
Maj Ken Ward
VAWG Internal AEO

Eclipse

It is (something people ignore), however once the new HSO regs gets around, coupled with the encampment guide moving out of draft,
hopefully we'll see less of it.

That assumes, of course, that anyone involved cares enough to read the regs.   The reduced presence of CAP-USAF at encampments
isn't going to help that.

"That Others May Zoom"

AACS Cadet21

Quote from: UH60guy on July 19, 2013, 05:08:18 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on July 19, 2013, 03:37:00 AM

There are no CAP "medics".  At best there are Health Service Officers.  Yes medical professionals are
assigned at various echelons as MO's (who are MD's) and RNOs (RNs), but they are restricted to the
same first-aid level of care as everyone else.

This may very well be one of the non-standardized things between wings or just one of the regs people choose to ignore. Not saying it's the right answer, but I just got back from an encampment two weeks ago where we did indeed have cadet staff positions titled "medic." His wing may have something similar.

(not to get that kinda discussion again here, but their function was mostly to buddy carry ankle twist victims to a CAP van or squirt water on cadets to beat the heat- not what you normally think of as a capital-M "Medic")


Yeah, that's what my wing did, we called them medics, even the encampment commander called them that!

Майор Хаткевич

Quote from: AACS Cadet21 on July 19, 2013, 05:11:23 PM
Quote from: UH60guy on July 19, 2013, 05:08:18 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on July 19, 2013, 03:37:00 AM

There are no CAP "medics".  At best there are Health Service Officers.  Yes medical professionals are
assigned at various echelons as MO's (who are MD's) and RNOs (RNs), but they are restricted to the
same first-aid level of care as everyone else.

This may very well be one of the non-standardized things between wings or just one of the regs people choose to ignore. Not saying it's the right answer, but I just got back from an encampment two weeks ago where we did indeed have cadet staff positions titled "medic." His wing may have something similar.

(not to get that kinda discussion again here, but their function was mostly to buddy carry ankle twist victims to a CAP van or squirt water on cadets to beat the heat- not what you normally think of as a capital-M "Medic")


Yeah, that's what my wing did, we called them medics, even the encampment commander called them that!

And Germans were just following orders.

Eclipse


"That Others May Zoom"

Brad

Brad Lee
Maj, CAP
Assistant Deputy Chief of Staff, Communications
Mid-Atlantic Region
K4RMN

Danger

I applied for flight commander for KSWG. Wish me luck  8) Does KSWG often accept staff applicants from other wings?
"Never take anything too seriously."

AngelWings

What glory is there in being a cadet "medic"? Are you hoping to save someone's life? Are you hoping to provide ALS? Because otherwise, expect to be putting band-aids on small cuts, having cadets say their feet hurt, and be expected to send real cases to the Seniors, or you'll be expected to send them to the Seniors.

If you don't know how to perform BLS, you're going to be useless as breasts on a bull. If you're not a medic (EMT-B, ALS, EMT-P, etc.), you're not trained to be a HSO in CAP.

arajca


sarmed1

Quote from: arajca on July 28, 2013, 06:11:53 PM
Quote from: Brad on July 28, 2013, 02:04:15 PM

I think that sums it up nicely. ;D

I am pretty sure the first and last pictures may be reversed.... they captions remain where they are but the pictures need to switch
just sayin'

mk
Capt.  Mark "K12" Kleibscheidel

SJFedor

Quote from: AACS Cadet21 on July 19, 2013, 02:34:57 AM
... do I need first-aid training?...

If you can't fix it with a band-aid and a pat on the back, you need to be calling someone else. That's about as much training as you need as a "cadet medic".

Steven Fedor, NREMT-P
Master Ambulance Driver
Former Capt, MP, MCPE, MO, MS, GTL, and various other 3-and-4 letter combinations
NESA MAS Instructor, 2008-2010 (#479)

jstobbsvergara13

Hey, I know this is a bit late but i was a "Health Services Officer" at the 2013 COWG encampment, its really good if you have first aide and CPR or any other qualifications to do with medical stuff.  I didn't see any actual qualification requirement on the website.  As for your actual application there is an example cover letter on the cap website if you just google CAP cover letter.  and the same with a resume.  There are positions there for cadet health services officer so put at the top of your resume that you want to be a part of the health services department. 

What flight were you in at COWG??