Red Dawn (the movie)

[MikeD]

A rumor I heard was that originally instead of random high school kids they were supposed to be CAP cadets.  Does anyone know more about this?

[Laplace]

  Just got finished watching it on TV tonight. 

I heard that story also recently.  It may have come up with the talk of a remake.

[MikeD]

Just got finished watching it on TV tonight. 

I heard that story also recently.  It may have come up with the talk of a remake.

It's on right now.   Granted I need to get up in 3 hours to to the airport on TDY but at this point I'm prolly better off just staying up... 

Edit:

I officially live these lines, let the record show it:

How'd you get yourself shot down, Colonel,
It was 5 to 1, I got 4

[nesagsar]

As long as we are quoting the movie how about this one: A member of an elite paramilitary organization: "Eagle Scouts."

[NIN]

"Oh, well.. that's not military.."

[RogueLeader]

A rumor I heard was that originally instead of random high school kids they were supposed to be CAP cadets.  Does anyone know more about this?

They were, but NHQ shot it down.  The accepted reason is that it wouldn't show favorably on our cadet program.  Even though they wouldn't be doing it on "CAP's time."

I think that it would have been cool to see, too.  To be perfectly honest, I see their point in it; even now many people who do not know about the program think that this  is a way to force people into the military and such nonsense.

I also heard that Iron Eagle was to have CAP Cadets instead of the Eagles as well.  Same denial for that one as wel.

[Timbo]

^Maybe if they would have allowed it we would have had a few more Cadets during the 80's.  Wow....the 1980's how nostalgic.

Did the kid save the dad in Iron Eagle??  Who did he save in Iron Eagle 2 through 12?? 

[NIN]

Actually, I think if you go back and look, we did have  a lot of cadets in the 80s.

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Who did he save in Iron Eagle 2 through 12?? 

Didn't he (the main character from 1) die early in 2 or 3?

[FlexCoder]

Perhaps, Red Dawn is on the near horizon since the Russian 3rd Fleet is currently in Cuba for the first time in decades.

[Johnny Yuma]

Perhaps, Red Dawn is on the near horizon since the Russian 3rd Fleet is currently in Cuba for the first time in decades.

WOLVERINES!!!

[Stonewall]

Red Dawn was part of our Basic Cadet Training program WIWAC in the 80s.  You couldn't get your Curry without having at least 25% of the movie memorized...50% for your Mitchell, 75% for Earhart and Spaatz, well, you know the standards...

Fun Factoid:  Red Dawn was the first PG-13 movie.

Part II?

MGM will remake the 1984 action drama
By Jay A. Fernandez and Borys Kit

July 9, 2008, 12:00 AM ET



"Red Dawn"

"Red Dawn" will be redone.

Screenwriter Carl Ellsworth has been hired to recraft the ultimate homeland invasion story about a new generation of besieged high schoolers.

Dan Bradley, a second unit director and/or stunt coordinator on "The Bourne Ultimatum," "Spider-Man 3" and the forthcoming "Quantum of Solace," will move into the director's chair for the update. Contrafilm's Beau Flynn and Tripp Vinson will produce.

MGM toppers Harry Sloan and Mary Parent announced the remake -- along with a big-budget rebuild of "RoboCop," which director Darren Aronofsky among others has recently been in to discuss -- in May at the Festival de Cannes. As the studio regroups, its executives have realized that the strong MGM library has numerous classic and cult properties it can exploit for a new audience.

"The tone is going to be very intense, very much keeping in mind the post-9/11 world that we're in," says Ellsworth, who was 11 when the original was released. "As 'Red Dawn' scared the heck out of people in 1984, we feel that the world is kind of already filled with a lot of paranoia and unease, so why not scare the hell out of people again?"

Ellsworth will be working from a story written by Jeremy Passmore. Vincent Newman ("A Man Apart") is also acting in a producer capacity.

The original "Dawn" was the Cold War brainchild of writer-director John Milius, who devised a World War III invasion of America by the Soviets and Cubans. The film followed the scrappy insurgency of a group of Midwestern teenagers who take on their high school mascot name -- "Wolverines!" -- as a rallying cry of resistance.

The 1984 action drama was the first film released in theaters with the newly devised PG-13 rating because of its intense subject matter and violent content.

Ellsworth, who is repped by ICM and the Shuman Co., most recently handed in an adaptation of Brian K. Vaughan and Pia Guerra's comics series "Y: The Last Man" to New Line. He also wrote "Red Eye," co-wrote "Disturbia" and rewrote the screenplay for the "Last House on the Left" remake, produced by the original film's writer-director, Wes Craven. Rogue Pictures will release it early next year.

Bradley also is repped by ICM.

[JoeTomasone]

Red Dawn... Ah, yes...  The movie that first got me thinking seriously about Lea Thompson..   

That and Taps (remember that one?) are two of my faves from that era, quasi-militarily speaking, perhaps.

It will be interesting to see the remake of Red Dawn.  I have to wonder if they will change the invaders to either Al Quaeda or North Korea to account for the current climes -- or maybe both, to echo Russia and Cuba.   Can you imagine Osama Bin Laden standing next to Kim Jung Il and saying, "I have seen this before..  In Afghanistan..." - they can re-use dialog!

[davedove]

Red Dawn... Ah, yes...  The movie that first got me thinking seriously about Lea Thompson..   

That and Taps (remember that one?) are two of my faves from that era, quasi-militarily speaking, perhaps.

It will be interesting to see the remake of Red Dawn.  I have to wonder if they will change the invaders to either Al Quaeda or North Korea to account for the current climes -- or maybe both, to echo Russia and Cuba.   Can you imagine Osama Bin Laden standing next to Kim Jung Il and saying, "I have seen this before..  In Afghanistan..." - they can re-use dialog!

I'm really wondering how they would update the movie since there is no rival superpower to invade the US, unless they devise some sort of military alliance of Middle Eastern nations or the like.

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I'm really wondering how they would update the movie since there is no rival superpower to invade the US, unless they devise some sort of military alliance of Middle Eastern nations or the like.

Set it about 5 years in the future and you could use Russia again.

[Timbo]

Set it about 5 years in the future and you could use Russia again.

I was thinking China.  Oh wait, that will be reality. 

[Timbo]

I'm really wondering how they would update the movie since there is no rival superpower to invade the US, unless they devise some sort of military alliance of Middle Eastern nations or the like.

It doesn't have to be superpowers in our world anymore.  It can be a ragtag group of whoever with three nukes. 

[davedove]

I'm really wondering how they would update the movie since there is no rival superpower to invade the US, unless they devise some sort of military alliance of Middle Eastern nations or the like.

It doesn't have to be superpowers in our world anymore.  It can be a ragtag group of whoever with three nukes. 

If it was just someone wanting to attack or even hold a city hostage, I would agree with you, but to invade and occupy (which was the basic premise of the original movie) you need manpower and logistical support.

[Al Sayre]

Cuba, Venezuela and Bolivia?

[nesagsar]

If a caliphate were to be reformed and they decided to take the war to America then the Islamist extremists would be believable.

[Timbo]

I got it.....CANADA!  They already hate the United States.  They even have that "Department of Canadian Patriotism".  They believe we (The United States) influences their culture too much.  Well if their culture wasn't so lame they wouldn't have to worry.  But yes....Canada.  They invade Washington State from those islands off the Coast that they occupy already (why aren't those ours again??).  They take Seattle in a matter of minutes when they stop the flow of Starbucks Coffee to the Caffeine addicts.  They then move East and eventually stop in the Dakotas when they figure out that it sucks just as much there as it did in their own country (cold and bleak....right?!?!).

The movie ends with our hockey teams joining forces to combat their teams and we blow up the CN Tower.  Ah....reminds of that movie.....Canadian Bacon.

Canadian Bacon.....thats not really bacon.  Don't get confused by their propaganda. 

Hows that.  In 1 minute I totally ruined the movie for you.  No need to go see it now!

Red Dawn.......makes me think of China.  The whole "Red" and "Dawn" are parts of their Communist fable.  That is OK....lets buy more of their junk and let them buy more of our debt.  Then we can sell them the Panama Canal and maybe the moon.

I seriously digress.           

[RogueLeader]

Fun Factoid:  Red Dawn was the first PG-13 movie.

Sorry, that credit goes to "Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom"  Prior to that there was no PG-13

[Stonewall]

Fun Factoid:  Red Dawn was the first PG-13 movie.

Sorry, that credit goes to "Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom"  Prior to that there was no PG-13

In 1984, explicit violence in the PG-rated films Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom and Gremlins were "the straws that broke the parents' backs". Their complaints led Hollywood figure Steven Spielberg, director of Temple of Doom and producer of Gremlins, to suggest a new rating, PG-14, to MPAA president Jack Valenti. Instead, on conferring with cinema owners, Mr Valenti and the MPAA on July 1, 1984, introduced the PG-13 rating, allowing in children under 13 years of age without a parent or an adult guardian, but warning parents about potentially shocking violence, cursing, and mature subject matter that may be inappropriate for children under 13; though weaker than an R rating, PG-13 is the strongest unrestricted rating. The first widely-distributed PG-13 movie was Red Dawn (1984), followed by Dreamscape (1984), and The Flamingo Kid (1984), although The Flamingo Kid was the first film so rated by the board.


Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom was released in the US 23 May 1984, but the PG-13 rating came out 1 July 1984.

[FlexCoder]

I'm really wondering how they would update the movie since there is no rival superpower to invade the US, unless they devise some sort of military alliance of Middle Eastern nations or the like.

Don't always believe what the media tends to portray and never underestimate the enemy, Russia & China are superpowers and have very sophisticated military technology and equipment.  Check out the pictures of the Russian military when they invaded Georgia, they weren't using outdated junk.  Communist propaganda in Russia & China is notorious for getting the masses & media to believe they have disintegrated but in fact, all these years, they are really building a strong, high tech & powerful military machine.  If you look at the current trends and other news sources besides Fox & CNN, you will see that both of those countries are preparing for a future conflict or war.  It is very similar to when Germany & Japan were preparing for WWII, collecting mass resources, controlling resources & wealth, developing military equipment in large quantity, building sophisticated military bases & bunkers, large scale  military exercises and so on.   China just finished a state of the art submarine base http://www.janes.com/news/security/jir/jir080421_1_n.shtml  Plus, China has 125 million plus man army.    Why would any country need that many soldiers, hint - future invasion, USA, EU, Israel - all possible targets.     

Russia wants world domination and they won't allow the USA/EU to control the world forever.    What's even more alarming is the fact that Russia, Iran, China, Venezuela, etc have been conducting over 100 military air & ground force exercises near the US borders this past Fall.    For example, the Russians say they are practicing drug trafficking & anti-terrorism exercises (yeah right, why the need of Russians!) - http://www.voanews.com/english/archive/2008-12/2008-12-01-voa67.cfm?CFID=92698320&CFTOKEN=14582545&jsessionid=6630fb37af5a8e9ff596502d67c735d604a5   As a result, Bush reestablished the 4th USN Fleet to patrol the Gulf & Carribean.     http://www.navy.mil/search/display.asp?story_id=36606  You never hear about this on CNN/Fox except maybe as tiny news tidbits though.        In 2 to 8 years, we may have a Red Dawn and be caught by surprise because most US citizens believe America is untouchable to a large scale invasion.  And CAP may end up be a co-star in a real world Red Dawn but most of us hope that never happens.    It's imperative that we stay alert & be aware of the facts or we may have another "Pearl Harbor" attack with our pants down again.

[Sleepwalker]

  Red Dawn came out when I was a young teenager living in the mountains of Colorado.  My friends and I loved outdoor adventures and camping, so we loved the movie.  We developed a plan in case the US were really ever invaded, we would meet at such-and-such place in the mountains with all our gear and become freedom fighters, just like Charlie Sheen and Patrick Swayze.  Rediculous?  Probably, but it made us feel cool.       

[Sleepwalker]

  My favorite line from the movie?  When Powers Booth was suspected of being a KGB spy instead of an F-15 pilot:

"Are you American?"

"Red blooded." (he shows his flag patch).

"Oh yeah?  Then what's the Capitol of Texas?"

"Austin"

"Wrong Commie!  It's Houston!" (she cocks the rifle and points it in his face). 

[PlaneFlyr]

Never heard that about Red Dawn, but it's feasible.  Personally, I think it would have been cool to get the CAP name out there.

The only CAP reference I can recall is in "Project X" when Broderick's character is reporting to his new boss and mentions having been a CAP cadet.

[Stonewall]

  We developed a plan in case the US were really ever invaded, we would meet at such-and-such place in the mountains with all our gear and become freedom fighters, just like Charlie Sheen and Patrick Swayze.  Rediculous?  Probably, but it made us feel cool.       

Heck, I was a teen back then too.  My best friend who is a doctor now still makes fun of me for having my contingency gear packed and ready to go when the "Big Bear" attacked.  I had a big Boy Scout back pack (with external frame) with canned food, survival equipment, and a pocket knife and I was ready.  Before I was a cadet in CAP even.

As an adult who was smack dab in the middle of it on 9/11 when I was a few minutes from the Pentagon and saw the initial plume of smoke, I had a contingency plan already set up and put into action with a friend.

Later, with another friend, we planned a primary and alternate link up site in case an attack occurred in DC again, this time with routes, alternate routes, equipment lists, and plans for our wives to meet and fight our way out of DC into the Shenandoah Mountains or West Virginia.  Ahhhh...fun times, being a grown adult with an imagination.

[Pumbaa]

Anyone notice that the Col. had plastic encased rank on his zoom bag?

[jimmydeanno]

The AF used to wear them. 

AF used to wear Green Fatiques with Ultra-Marine blue nametapes too, and at the same time we did!

There's another example of the plastic insignia in "Iron Eagle."

[CAPLAW]

Anyone notice that the Col. had plastic encased rank on his zoom bag?

He is cool like us
Also the Colonel (B. Powers) played a B-52 pilot in DAWNS EARLY LIGHT

[JohnKachenmeister]

Never heard that about Red Dawn, but it's feasible.  Personally, I think it would have been cool to get the CAP name out there.

The only CAP reference I can recall is in "Project X" when Broderick's character is reporting to his new boss and mentions having been a CAP cadet.

I heard that CAP did not get to make the call on supporting Red Dawn.  The DoD nixed any support due to the scene where the tied-up Russian prisoner is executed.  CAP did deny support to Iron Eagle.  Probably so as not to encourage enterprising cadets from attempting such a move themselves.

[Timbo]

CAP did deny support to Iron Eagle.  Probably so as not to encourage enterprising cadets from attempting such a move themselves.

Or our leaders at the time wanted some $$ from the film.  You would be surprised how money plays a big factor in things so seemingly small such as not including CAP in a movie reference. 

[alamrcn]

Release dates of 1984 movies with PG-13 ratings...
Gremlins - June 8
Red Dawn - August 10
Dreamscape -August 15

Anywho, I distinctly remember reading an article at my daycare <g!> about the new PG-13 rating. They changed the rating of Gremlins from PG right after it was released, and still in the theater. Seems all the kiddies going to see the cute, cuddly creatures weren't expecting angry, green monsters to start killing people! I remember from the article (amazing what sticks in your brain) they mentioning the final scene where Spike bites it in the sun while trying to get to the water fountain.

Imagine, we could be reminiscing about CAP cadets in movies like Red Dawn and Iron Eagle. But instead, we're cut down to a reference made in JFK about the assassin of a president. Grrrreat.

If the offer comes up again, I hope National will TAKE IT!
Maybe they'll make a movie with Tom Cruise, who grows up at a CAP military acadamy (Taps), races the #42 car (Days of Thunder), then dogfights in a C-172 listing to a Kenny Loggins song (Top Gun) and saves the world!

[citizensoldier]

I will be interested to see what they do with it.  I was 14 when it came out and it had alot to do with choices I made as a young adult.

CS

[SJFedor]

If the offer comes up again, I hope National will TAKE IT!
Maybe they'll make a movie with Tom Cruise, who grows up at a CAP military acadamy (Taps), races the #42 car (Days of Thunder), then dogfights in a C-172 listing to a Kenny Loggins song (Top Gun) and saves the world!

Hahaha. What's funny is that I went to the school that Taps was filmed at. Valley Forge Military Academy...oh the memories.

Taps was "required viewing" our first weekend.

It's a shame though, they tore down the "main gate" they have in that movie as soon as the movie was finished filming. But the church there is absolutely amazing.

[Stonewall]

Release dates of 1984 movies with PG-13 ratings...
Gremlins - June 8
Red Dawn - August 10
Dreamscape -August 15

Anywho, I distinctly remember reading an article at my daycare <g!> about the new PG-13 rating. They changed the rating of Gremlins from PG right after it was released, and still in the theater.

MPAA rating of PG-13 was released on 1 July 84.  Red Dawn was the first movie released with the PG-13 rating.  If not, then I should return the Creed concert tickets I won from Mix 107.3 FM in Washington DC back in the late 90s.

In 1984, explicit violence in the PG-rated films Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom and Gremlins were "the straws that broke the parents' backs". Their complaints led Hollywood figure Steven Spielberg, director of Temple of Doom and producer of Gremlins, to suggest a new rating, PG-14, to MPAA president Jack Valenti. Instead, on conferring with cinema owners, Mr Valenti and the MPAA on July 1, 1984, introduced the PG-13 rating, allowing in children under 13 years of age without a parent or an adult guardian, but warning parents about potentially shocking violence, cursing, and mature subject matter that may be inappropriate for children under 13; though weaker than an R rating, PG-13 is the strongest unrestricted rating. The first widely-distributed PG-13 movie was Red Dawn (1984), followed by Dreamscape (1984), and The Flamingo Kid (1984), although The Flamingo Kid was the first film so rated by the board.

[alamrcn]

Taps was "required viewing" our first weekend.

That's sounds like watching "Rudy" while at Notre Dame.

That is really cool that you got to spend part of your life there, when was that? I think the movie was in '81.  Is the school still going?

[davidsinn]

Taps was "required viewing" our first weekend.

That's sounds like watching "Rudy" while at Notre Dame.

That is really cool that you got to spend part of your life there, when was that? I think the movie was in '81.  Is the school still going?

Watching "Hoosiers" when you're a little school that's got a shot at the state trophy... Helps to be in Indiana too 

[nesagsar]

Taps was "required viewing" our first weekend.

That's sounds like watching "Rudy" while at Notre Dame.

That is really cool that you got to spend part of your life there, when was that? I think the movie was in '81.  Is the school still going?

Watching "Hoosiers" when you're a little school that's got a shot at the state trophy... Helps to be in Indiana too 

"Follow Me Boys" is the best scouting movie ever made and nearly required viewing for scout troops.

[alamrcn]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Follow_Me,_Boys!
Seen it once several years ago, and that song is STILL stuck in my head!

So if Red Dawn had used Civil Air Patrol in the plot, what squadron do you think would have been associated? I think they are in Colorado, but they never really give an exact location away.

Do you think it would have been as good with Civil Air Patrol cadets? I think maybe if one or two had been members, but not all of them. That would have smelled of "Lord of the Flies" - another movie that could have used CAP.

[PaulR]

That was my all time favorite movie when it came out.  I was 14 at the time.  I remember fearing the possibility of a Russian invasion!

[es_g0d]

That movie is about the 8th grade level ... in the bad old days when nuclear destruction loomed over our heads and mother SAC waited to execute Wing Attack Plan 'R.'

It sure brings to perspective the current threat.

Good luck and good hunting,
-Scott
www.CAP-ES.net

[Pumbaa]

Fear the Russians?

Then you have to watch the movie "The Russians are coming, The Russians are coming"  it's from the 60's...  It wil strike fear in your heart....

[es_g0d]

Something tells me its nearly as good as "Duck and Cover!" 

The Russians are not to be as feared as the Soviets ... the post cold war world is a safer place than it was not long ago.

Good luck and good hunting,
-Scott
www.CAP-ES.net

[cap235629]

Fear the Russians?

Then you have to watch the movie "The Russians are coming, The Russians are coming"  it's from the 60's...  It wil strike fear in your heart....

one of my all time favorites,   "Whitaker Walt"  LMAO

[Stonewall]

Red Dawn preview

[Timbo]

... the post cold war world is a safer place than it was not long ago.

Huh?  The world was safer when there were two super powers, each controlling what are now very rogue countries.  Afghanistan comes to mind.  The Bosnian fiasco, and China was in check. 

Face it, the world has since destabilized more after the USSR collapsed.  Russia today is a much more dangerous place than Soviet Russia ever was. 

 

[es_g0d]

Its destabilized, to be sure.  Instead of one goliath of an enemy, we have hundreds of roaches to stomp.

BUT the world isn't in as much of a threat of total thermonuclear annihilation.  I call that a win, and a better world.  Not a perfect world by any means, but better.

Good luck and good hunting,
-Scott
www.CAP-ES.net

[Timbo]

Its destabilized, to be sure.  Instead of one goliath of an enemy, we have hundreds of roaches to stomp.

BUT the world isn't in as much of a threat of total thermonuclear annihilation.  I call that a win, and a better world.  Not a perfect world by any means, but better.

Good luck and good hunting,
-Scott
www.CAP-ES.net

OK.  I will give you that.  Except that many Soviet Nukes are for sure unaccounted for.  As are their scientists, and weapons specialist.  The US tried to gather them all up, but others are most likely working for China, Iran, N. Korea etc.  We had one big bad guy, now we have multiple small bad guys. 

PLUS  in school pre 1991 all we had to memorize was "USSR" or "CCCP", then we had to memorize all those little countries after the collapse. 

[alamrcn]

Regarding a remake...

The Russian/Cuban/Argentinian aliance in the first movie was more about taking over and assimilating our goverment and society into their own. Kind of like the Romans would have - join us or die.

The current enemy, which in today's society I face ridicule from our OWN people to even try and name, is more interested in just wiping us out entirely. More like the Mongols - just die.

I'm for the Canadian invasion idea! At the most, we'd all be drinking Molson instead of Budweiser, and have to add "ay" to our vocab. The increase of Hockey's popularity might just be enough to kill me though. Those are fighting words coming from a Minnesota boy!

[sarmed1]

It could always just be a retro film, always quite popular.

".....in the 1990's a few decisive turn of events lead to the demise of the soviet union and its allies and left the United States as the sole surviving superpower; things could have turned out drastically differant....." que some alternative history changing scenes, ie differant presidents, a depression in the 80's no end to the gas crisis of the late 70's, soviet success in afganistan....then fade back to the school parking lot as opened in the original movie.  Basically same story line and plots just new actors, better effects.

mk

[wuzafuzz]

Regarding a remake...

The Russian/Cuban/Argentinian aliance in the first movie was more about taking over and assimilating our goverment and society into their own. Kind of like the Romans would have - join us or die.

The current enemy, which in today's society I face ridicule from our OWN people to even try and name, is more interested in just wiping us out entirely. More like the Mongols - just die.

I'm for the Canadian invasion idea! At the most, we'd all be drinking Molson instead of Budweiser, and have to add "ay" to our vocab. The increase of Hockey's popularity might just be enough to kill me though. Those are fighting words coming from a Minnesota boy!

BUT...if I recall correctly, Molson and Coors are already the same company?  "Business is war."  ;-)

[Stonewall]

I'd like to direct everyone over to CadetStuff where a fun discussion is going on about 80s movies.  Of course, Red Dawn is mentioned.

Great stuff.  Will bring back some memories for a lot of you old farts. (like me)

[Timbo]

I'd like to direct everyone over to CadetStuff where a fun discussion is going on about 80s movies.  Of course, Red Dawn is mentioned.

Great stuff.  Will bring back some memories for a lot of you old farts. (like me)

Almost every one of those movies is in my list of all time favorites, except for DEFCON 4, The Breakfast Club, and Tremors. 

[Earhart1971]

A rumor I heard was that originally instead of random high school kids they were supposed to be CAP cadets.  Does anyone know more about this?

They were, but NHQ shot it down.  The accepted reason is that it wouldn't show favorably on our cadet program.  Even though they wouldn't be doing it on "CAP's time."

I think that it would have been cool to see, too.  To be perfectly honest, I see their point in it; even now many people who do not know about the program think that this  is a way to force people into the military and such nonsense.

I also heard that Iron Eagle was to have CAP Cadets instead of the Eagles as well.  Same denial for that one as wel.

I cannot believe National would shoot down VISIBILITY, if National was to have some control, then I am sure something could be worked out.

So, we stay invisible for the good of CAP! LOL

I  mentioned a RED DAWN sequel to some old CAP friends (without knowing that is was being considered), I would write a Florida Wing Scenario, Venezuela, Russians, Chinese, Cubans, Muslim terrorists, yada yade, would not take much imagination.

[JohnKachenmeister]

A rumor I heard was that originally instead of random high school kids they were supposed to be CAP cadets.  Does anyone know more about this?

They were, but NHQ shot it down.  The accepted reason is that it wouldn't show favorably on our cadet program.  Even though they wouldn't be doing it on "CAP's time."

I think that it would have been cool to see, too.  To be perfectly honest, I see their point in it; even now many people who do not know about the program think that this  is a way to force people into the military and such nonsense.

I also heard that Iron Eagle was to have CAP Cadets instead of the Eagles as well.  Same denial for that one as wel.

I cannot believe National would shoot down VISIBILITY, if National was to have some control, then I am sure something could be worked out.

So, we stay invisible for the good of CAP! LOL

I  mentioned a RED DAWN sequel to some old CAP friends (without knowing that is was being considered), I would write a Florida Wing Scenario, Venezuela, Russians, Chinese, Cubans, Muslim terrorists, yada yade, would not take much imagination.

With respect to Red Dawn, CAP NHQ never got the chance to shoot it down.  I talked once with the guy (Then an Army LTC) who did the screening for DoD support for movies.  Red Dawn was turned down for support at the Pentagon, because the producers refused to take out the scene of the Russian prisoner being executed.  (Even though the execution was carried out by non-DoD personnel).

NHQ did refuse to allow CAP to be identified in Iron Eagle, though.  The producers had to change the teenagers organization to some kind of generic AF-dependent kid club.

[Earhart1971]

What a surprise DOD shooting down visibility for Civil Air Patrol, imagine that!

Ok, so I will go ahead with my own movie, LOL!  I am not going to ask for permission from anybody.

[Timbo]

What a surprise DOD shooting down visibility for Civil Air Patrol, imagine that!

Ok, so I will go ahead with my own movie, LOL!  I am not going to ask for permission from anybody.

See you at the lawsuit!!   

[Johnny Yuma]

Something tells me its nearly as good as "Duck and Cover!" 

The Russians are not to be as feared as the Soviets ... the post cold war world is a safer place than it was not long ago.

Good luck and good hunting,
-Scott
www.CAP-ES.net

You're joking, right???

Let's ask the Ukraine how nice the "New Russia" is?

If they won't talk, I'm certain the Iranians will tell us how nice the Russians have been to them.

[es_g0d]

No, I'm quite serious.  I'm not saying that Russia is friendly, I think Georgia's response would be counterevidence enough. 

The point is that the world is not nearly so close to thermonuclear annihilation as it was than at the height of the cold war.  We have cut off the head of the Soviet hydra; and now have a larger number of smaller enemies to deal with.  And that, while still not the most desirable of circumstances, is preferential to mutual assured destruction.

Further clarification can be found in the discussion between Timbo and myself.
-S

[Earhart1971]

What a surprise DOD shooting down visibility for Civil Air Patrol, imagine that!

Ok, so I will go ahead with my own movie, LOL!  I am not going to ask for permission from anybody.

See you at the lawsuit!!   

Sue me yeah, I can see the news release, "Contraversial Movie Producer sued for depicting Civil Air Patrol in a way not approved by Civil Air Patrol" Do not go see this movie it is not approved by CAP.  It depicts CAP Cadets as mean and unfair in fight to save their homeland"

That would make me the first 200 Million in box office.

First of all, curiosity about Civil Air Patrol, nobody has ever heard of CAP. I run into Air Force people that have never heard of CAP.

The script will be ready in a few weeks.

[JohnKachenmeister]

Can I play the crusty-but-loveable squadron commander who falls in love with the beautiful but scatterbrained new lieutenant played by Brittney Spears?

[Pumbaa]

Can I play the crusty-but-loveable squadron commander who falls in love with the beautiful but scatterbrained new lieutenant played by Brittney Spears?

Dude.. you are sick!!  Brittney Spears??? that chick hit the wall big time!

[es_g0d]

So long as the love is unrequited, she shaves her head again and you have hippie blonde hair instead -- the part is all yours.

My apologies, I could not resist.     -S

[tarheel gumby]

I would have gone for Eva Mendez myself

[Earhart1971]

Can I play the crusty-but-loveable squadron commander who falls in love with the beautiful but scatterbrained new lieutenant played by Brittney Spears?

I would rather you play that part with an older rich divorcee that likes to donate mega bucks to CAP because her last husband died testing the new stealth fighter, and she now owns the company has millions.  She would be a cute brunnette 40 years old or so.

[tarheel gumby]

This might end up sounding like a aviation version of MASH Might make a good sitcom though

[Cecil DP]

Can I play the crusty-but-loveable squadron commander who falls in love with the beautiful but scatterbrained new lieutenant played by Brittney Spears?

Only if if I get to play the military judge at the court martial for fraternization with a (very) junior officer within your chain of command. You can play her crusty-but lovable grandfather/squadron commander.

[JohnKachenmeister]

Can I play the crusty-but-loveable squadron commander who falls in love with the beautiful but scatterbrained new lieutenant played by Brittney Spears?

Dude.. you are sick!!  Brittney Spears??? that chick hit the wall big time!

LEAVE BRITTNEY ALONE!  (SOB!)  LEAVE BRITTNEY ALONE!!!

[Pumbaa]

[CAPLAW]

Thats not right!

[Pumbaa]

My point exactly!!   

Just a dose of reality for Kach....

What say you now Major?

Care to pick a different leading lady!?!?!?!   

[♠SARKID♠]

Have you ever walked into a room midway through someone else's conversation, and end up catching them at the most bizarre WTF moment imaginable?  I just did.

[Always Ready]

^+1

That's just so wrong...

[MIKE]

Ummm...