Goodbye to an NCO

[Shuman 14]

One day those skito wings wi be Chiefs

And by the time those few (about 1%) "skito wings" make Chief, they will have forgotten that 30-minute briefing they got 14+ years ago.

As someone who is both an USAF officer and a CAP officer you really seem to have a low opinion of CAP and its worth to the USAF. 

My years of service in CAP, actively supporting all missions, and track record, which includes numerous contributions to CAP at the unit, group and wing levels, say otherwise.

What have you done for CAP lately?

Still doesn't change the fact that you seem to be talking CAP "down", at least in this thread, why is that? 

[AlphaSigOU]

Should CAP members be eligible for AF civilian awards?

Do they give awards to contractors? That's the closest analogy I can think of. If they do, then there's no reason CAP members wouldn't qualify.

Nope, nichts, nein. Government contractors are at the bottom of the pile.

[PHall]

Should CAP members be eligible for AF civilian awards?

Do they give awards to contractors? That's the closest analogy I can think of. If they do, then there's no reason CAP members wouldn't qualify.

Nope, nichts, nein. Government contractors are at the bottom of the pile.

And AlphaSigOU has been a Government Contractor so he knows of what he speaks.

[sardak]

And the number of the AFI that says they aren't eligibile was posted earlier in the thread.

Mike

[abdsp51]

Read it mysel, CAP doesn't apply.  And sorry but I need my Airman focusing on more important issues than  CAP.

[Storm Chaser]

One day those skito wings wi be Chiefs

And by the time those few (about 1%) "skito wings" make Chief, they will have forgotten that 30-minute briefing they got 14+ years ago.

As someone who is both an USAF officer and a CAP officer you really seem to have a low opinion of CAP and its worth to the USAF. 

My years of service in CAP, actively supporting all missions, and track record, which includes numerous contributions to CAP at the unit, group and wing levels, say otherwise.

What have you done for CAP lately?

Still doesn't change the fact that you seem to be talking CAP "down", at least in this thread, why is that? 

Not at all, just members like you who don't do anything for CAP, seem to focus on things that are trivial, and always have an opinion on how to "fix" CAP without actually knowing how the organization really works.

And by the way, you still didn't answer my question.

[abdsp51]

Not at all, just members like you who don't do anything for CAP, seem to focus on things that are trivial, and always have an opinion on how to "fix" CAP without actually knowing how the organization really works.

And by the way, you still didn't answer my question.

And he probably won't too busy trying to figure how to fix and interjecting his opinion any chance he gets.

[Shuman 14]

One day those skito wings wi be Chiefs

And by the time those few (about 1%) "skito wings" make Chief, they will have forgotten that 30-minute briefing they got 14+ years ago.

As someone who is both an USAF officer and a CAP officer you really seem to have a low opinion of CAP and its worth to the USAF. 

My years of service in CAP, actively supporting all missions, and track record, which includes numerous contributions to CAP at the unit, group and wing levels, say otherwise.

What have you done for CAP lately?

Still doesn't change the fact that you seem to be talking CAP "down", at least in this thread, why is that? 

Not at all, just members like you who don't do anything for CAP, seem to focus on things that are trivial, and always have an opinion on how to "fix" CAP without actually knowing how the organization really works.

And by the way, you still didn't answer my question.

I paid my membership dues on time. What more does a Patron member do? 

[Shuman 14]

Not at all, just members like you who don't do anything for CAP, seem to focus on things that are trivial, and always have an opinion on how to "fix" CAP without actually knowing how the organization really works.

And by the way, you still didn't answer my question.

And he probably won't too busy trying to figure how to fix and interjecting his opinion any chance he gets.

No figuring it out... I just log into CAPTalk and get on my electronic soapbox. 

I know you dislike me but I do stimulate discussion. I know you don't like the stimulation because the issues I address are glaring... so glaring that even those of us outside of CAP can see them.

[The CyBorg is destroyed]

In Storm Chaser's defence, I have never read a post from him slagging CAP from an AF POV, though I have read that from others.

The fact is...the only way we would know whether CAP would be eligible for any of the AF civilian decs is if someone were to find out who to ask and then ask.

That would take going through a very creaky Chain of Command that often leads down blind alleyways, and would be unlikely to happen because too many of us are content with status-quo CAP (and not just on this issue).

Having said that, I would welcome the opportunity for more direct support to the AF, chest candy or not.

[Eclipse]

What more does a Patron member do?

Nothing, literally, unless specifically invited.

[Shuman 14]

CAP members aren't ever civilian employees, even a little, and it has its own awards and decorations.

It doesn't qualify and doesn't need to.

AFI 36-1004, Chapter 7.

I would suspect that any CAP member could qualify for those awards... if they meet the actual criteria of the awards listed there.

[Eclipse]

Disqualified with the first sentence: "This instruction describes a program to recognize the achievements of civilian employees. "

CAP members, per se, are not "employees".

Edit: Was reading an older version.

[PHall]

Employees have to be paid. CAP members do not get paid.

[Shuman 14]

Disqualified with the first sentence: "This instruction describes a program to recognize the achievements of civilian employees. "

CAP members, per se, are not "employees".

AFI 36-1004 Chapter 7, 7.1:

7.1. Purpose. To recognize significant contributions to the DoD by a member of the general public.

Reading is fundamental. 

[The CyBorg is destroyed]

Employees have to be paid. CAP members do not get paid.

What about volunteer interns at a private corporation?  They are considered "quasi-employees."

[Eclipse]

Employees have to be paid. CAP members do not get paid.

What about volunteer interns at a private corporation?  They are considered "quasi-employees."

First, irrelevant to this conversation, second, legally they are not employees, "quasi" notwithstanding.

[Eclipse]

Disqualified with the first sentence: "This instruction describes a program to recognize the achievements of civilian employees. "

CAP members, per se, are not "employees".

AFI 36-1004 Chapter 7, 7.1:

7.1. Purpose. To recognize significant contributions to the DoD by a member of the general public.

Reading is fundamental. 

(Note corrections to my post above).

Yes, it is, and if you read the eligibility and examples, nothing CAP does as normal or even extraordinary course of business
is even in that lane, let alone would qualify for decoration.

CAP has its own awards program which is suited to the task and allows for members to actually wear the decorations,
something not really open to civilian employees, nor that would be allowed if one of these was presented to a member.

If some CAP member wanders away from a Pentagon tour group, and somehow finds himself "advising a DOD committee",
whomever allowed that to happen should be immediately escorted, under guard, out of the building.

[JeffDG]

Employees have to be paid. CAP members do not get paid.

What about volunteer interns at a private corporation?  They are considered "quasi-employees."

They are employees with respect to the fact that the employer controls their activities.

The Air Force does not control any CAP activities.  Not even A1 missions are under the control of the Air Force, they ask us if we are able to accept the mission or not, and the exercise of that mission is at our discretion.  We only coordinate with the USAF.  We are much more akin to contractors than we are employees.

[Eclipse]

Agreed, and in fact CAP is treated that way as well, for all the good and bad which that entails.