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On 1 Oct 2010, the new CAP membership card policy went into effect per the CAP National Executive Committee. Effective on that date, senior members (including Fifty-Year and Life members) and cadets over the age of 18 will receive a new photo membership card at no cost when they join CAP or renew their membership. Senior members who do not have a photo on file will receive the new photo membership card with the words "Picture not available" printed on the card where the photo would have been. As of 1 Jan 2012, per the NEC, it will be mandatory for all CAP senior members to have a photo on file in eServices. Cadets over 18 without a photo will have their name printed on the card in the same manner as non-photo membership cards, as the photo is optional for them. Also starting on 1 Oct 2010, members will be charged $3 each for a duplicate or replacement card, which can be ordered online via eServices or by calling Membership Services toll-free at 877-227-9141. New membership cards will no longer be automatically distributed when members are promoted or transfer units. The new gray CAP membership cards replace both the old "blue" CAP ID card and the optional $4 photo ID card, which are no longer available.
As of Monday, 25 Oct 2010, all of the issues with CAP's new photo and non-photo ID cards have been worked out with the vendor. CAP ID card production with the new cards began on Tuesday, 26 Oct. If you have not received your ID card during the month of October, rest assured it will be arriving soon.
1) About time.
2) I don't know why it will take a year to get photos in - the deadline should be 1 Jan 2011 (IMHO).
3) I don't understand why cadet photos should not also be mandatory.
Quote from: Eclipse on October 26, 2010, 05:40:29 PM
1) About time.
2) I don't know why it will take a year to get photos in - the deadline should be 1 Jan 2011 (IMHO).
3) I don't understand why cadet photos should not also be mandatory.
Agreed.
Seems silly to have a ID with the words ""Picture not available" printed on it, so make sure members get a photo online.
Not sure why Cadets can't have a photo on theirs.
Quote"The new gray CAP membership cards replace both the old "blue" CAP ID card and the optional $4 photo ID card, which are no longer available. "
Anyone know the difference between the new gray card and the $4 photo ID card I just ordered and received?
Does that mean that every one with a photo on eservices will be getting a new ID card even though they are not up for renewal till say, next summer?
Quote from: manfredvonrichthofen on October 26, 2010, 06:25:31 PM
Does that mean that every one with a photo on eservices will be getting a new ID card even though they are not up for renewal till say, next summer?
No.
Quote"Effective on that date, senior members...and cadets over the age of 18 will receive a new photo membership card at no cost when they join CAP or renew their membership."
Quote from: spacecommand on October 26, 2010, 06:18:45 PM
Anyone know the difference between the new gray card and the $4 photo ID card I just ordered and received?
$4 >:D
Have they fixed the issue of the missing white on the maj com patch?
My most recent ones (Sept) still have a transparent scroll, and the triangle is more gray then white.
Well I got mine recently, I'm a bit disappointing. The photo is a bit blurred even though I uploaded a high resolution photograph. The MAJCOM has jagged edges, the side of the card is still white (looks like it didn't print the grey/green on the entire car) and on the Hologram the words CIVIL AIR PATROL (in black) appears as CIVIL AIR PATROl (on mine) looks like the line on the L got chopped off.
But it's still better then the library card.
Two things.
1) About time, NHQ...thanks for listening to the membership on this one.
2) Anyone complaining about the ID card needs to get over themselves. It's an ID card, the only people that are going to see it and actually care are A) Other members B) The guard at the gate at a local military installation C) The clerk at the local AAFES/PX/BX/NEX/MCCS/CGX etc. oh, and D) Members of other agencies (and that is a stretch at best)
Nobody is going to care how neat or spiffy it might be, or why it's not similar to a Gov't issued CAC card, like so many of our members wish it was. It's an ID card.
Not counting the "It's not a CAC/DoD issued card" agruments, the biggest complaint is the failure to properly print the maj com patch on the card. The scroll and triangle are WHITE, not LIGHT BLUE. The ones I have seen look like crap as a result (personal opinion). When they send me mine in 18 months, I'll have one. But not before.
Which is weird, because if they left the card full-transparent all the way to the base card layer, it would be white.
Quote from: Lancer on October 27, 2010, 01:59:18 AM
Two things.
2) Anyone complaining about the ID card needs to get over themselves. It's an ID card, the only people that are going to see it and actually care are A) Other members B) The guard at the gate at a local military installation C) The clerk at the local AAFES/PX/BX/NEX/MCCS/CGX etc. oh, and D) Members of other agencies (and that is a stretch at best)
Nobody is going to care how neat or spiffy it might be, or why it's not similar to a Gov't issued CAC card, like so many of our members wish it was. It's an ID card.
1. I don't care if it is a CAC card or looks like a military ID card.
2. When you paid $4 bux you expect something that doesn't look like a Jr. high school project that looks like it was half *** put together. Student ID's look "more real". Why go through the trouble of making a PVC card in the first place then if it isn't going to look half way decent? NO it doesn't need to look like the CAC card, but at least you can have a nicer smooth MAJCOM image instead of something that is pixelized with jagged edges.
I guess we can just print out the 101 card at home and there's your membership card. The 101 card isn't that bad if it were on PVC format and your record was recorded into that barcode (or linked to a network with all your information) but ah this is CAP....
I don't know why we have the gray background to start with - I have to assume it was a compromise of some sort with the CAC being white,
but considering that most ID's in the known universe are white, and the CAC is portrait and ours is landscape, any gate guard being confused needs some remediation.
Might be another one of those hazy dark in the middle of the night confusion things that are known to happen...
Glad I didn't pay extra for something that is now going to be free. Don't really care what it looks like since in all liklihood my photo will still be the worst looking thing there.
Could someone upload a scan of what it looks like? I'm curious to see it.
Is this an HSPD-12 issue or just something the membership wanted to happen?
Something one of my CC's just asked me:
"...effective on that date, senior members (including Fifty-Year and Life members) and cadets over the age of 18 will receive a new photo membership card at no cost when they join CAP or renew their membership. Senior members who do not have a photo on file will receive the new photo membership card with the words "Picture not available" printed on the card where the photo would have been..."
You can't upload a photo until they have a CAP id and eServices account.
So is every new member going to get a "photo not available" card? Or will there be some logic built in on a new member that holds the new card longer to get a photo in?
Quote from: nesagsar on October 27, 2010, 03:51:34 AM
Is this an HSPD-12 issue or just something the membership wanted to happen?
If this had anything to do with HSPD-12 or FIPS 201 compliance, we would probably be getting CACs or something similar. But, as exhausted, we really have no need for anything like that. Sure, a visually-similar ID would be nice, for standardization, but the actual functions of the card (multiple barcodes, computer chip) are unnecessary. I'm not sure about our guys that do CD or HLS stuff, but if CAP ever needed IDs that followed those standards, it would be those guys, and most likely only those guys.
DoD is implementing DBIDS (Defense Biometric Identifcation System) worldwide. It is a form of access to DoD facilities and is required of everyone - active duty military, retirees, Department of Defense contractors, dependents and civilians. Part of the biometrics are your picture and fingerprint stored digitally in the card. As you get to the entrance, the guard has a handheld scanner and your picture and other info pops up on the scanner's screen. As of the end of July, 30 Air Force bases were using DBIDS. Peterson AFB in Colorado was the first base to implement the system, and CAP members requiring access were issued DBIDS cards. The cards don't have chips and provide physical access control only, unlike CACs which provide other levels of access.
Vandenberg AFB is implementing the system now and Maxwell transitions to the system starting in January, so maybe NHQ will figure that something needs to be done nationally.
http://www.maxwellgunterdispatch.com/article/20101015/DISPATCH01/101015009/1114/DISPATCH
Beginning in January, Maxwell-Gunter will start implementing the Defense Biometric Identification System to register everyone requiring access to the base. Staff Sgt. Joshua Allen, 42nd Security Forces Squadron NCO in charge of pass and registration, said all DOD cards, such as Common Access Cards, merely have to be scanned at any one of several locations to be registered in the system. He said those who possess cards that cannot be scanned, such as dependent and retiree ID cards, will be issued DBIDS cards. DBIDS will be linked to the National Crime Information Center and be able to flag a person with outstanding arrest warrants who might be trying to enter the base.
The sergeant said about 50,000 registrations will be necessary for the Maxwell-Gunter workforce, with an additional 27,000 retiree and 18,000 student registrations required. He said the initial program is funded by Air Education and Training Command, with the 42nd ABW assuming funding responsibilities once the program is in place.
From other sources on DBIDS - "Defense officials noted that DBIDS provides a significant boost in security. In the first 2 million people who attempted to enter bases under DBIDS, some 54,000 were turned around, catching a significant number of people who were not supposed to be on base, officials said." DBIDS can also be used to register vehicles, guns and other property.
Mike
My question concering cadets who already have the ID Card with the pictures on them. I paid for mine out of pocket, but will I still be able to get it when i have to renew my membership in 47 days?
As a new member who is probably getting one of these things, can somebody provide me a sample picture and some relevant sizing information (I'll probably be using Paint to resize it heheh) to assure that I get this right the first time? Sounds ridiculous, but I don't want to go through the trouble of taking a picture, uploading it on eServices, and then having to re-order and PAY for an ID card because they "didn't like my picture" and I end up getting a card with an "IMAGE NOT AVAILABLE" on it.
I tried the "CAP Picture ID Guide" on the site, and it's empty :o
EDIT: I also have Microsoft Office Picture Manager
Quote from: RLM10_2_06 on October 28, 2010, 07:13:00 PM
(I'll probably be using Paint to resize it heheh)
EDIT: I also have Microsoft Office Picture Manager
Download and install a program called Irfanview, free...tons of features and easy to use. You can thank me later.
http://www.irfanview.com
Quote from: Eclipse on October 26, 2010, 05:40:29 PM
Hot off the eServices RSS:
On 1 Oct 2010, the new CAP membership card policy went into effect per the CAP National Executive Committee. Effective on that date, senior members (including Fifty-Year and Life members) and cadets over the age of 18 will receive a new photo membership card at no cost when they join CAP or renew their membership. Senior members who do not have a photo on file will receive the new photo membership card with the words "Picture not available" printed on the card where the photo would have been. As of 1 Jan 2012, per the NEC, it will be mandatory for all CAP senior members to have a photo on file in eServices.
1) About time.
2) I don't know why it will take a year to get photos in - the deadline should be 1 Jan 2011 (IMHO).
3) I don't understand why cadet photos should not also be mandatory.
More work for the time stressed volunteers at the unit level to implement. Fortunately, we've got more than 1 year to implement.
I've never heard of a CAP mission failing because of an ID card issue. Most senior members have other "official" ID cards/license they carry with them that can easily be matched with the CAP credit card ID, if there's a question about the individual member, actually being that member.
Should be interesting to see the reaction of various base security officials when the new cards are issued and a member shows up at the gate with "picture not available" on the card.
Also as a matter of policy is CAP going to restrict the members from using the card for "other ID purposes" other than for CAP duties/activities or access as authorized by CAP or military regulations ???
RM
The pictures are supposed to be vetted by the unit commander before they become available for use by NHQ.
Quote from: RADIOMAN015 on October 29, 2010, 03:53:26 AMAlso as a matter of policy is CAP going to restrict the members from using the card for "other ID purposes" other than for CAP duties/activities or access as authorized by CAP or military regulations
Such as?
Quote from: Eclipse on October 29, 2010, 04:16:41 AM
Quote from: RADIOMAN015 on October 29, 2010, 03:53:26 AMAlso as a matter of policy is CAP going to restrict the members from using the card for "other ID purposes" other than for CAP duties/activities or access as authorized by CAP or military regulations
Such as?
Oh, cashing a check, proof of age related to alcohol purchase, picking up a prescription, checking in at the airport. Use your imagination.
None of which is CAP's problem...
Don't give them ideas ... next the entire back side of the card that once had biometrics and other "private" data (privacy is for losers ;D )
...like the California license/ID: (Lower right)
(http://www.dmv.ca.gov/imageserver/dmv/images/newsrel/reverse_side_sample.jpg)
Link to the front side (http://www.dmv.ca.gov/imageserver/dmv/images/newsrel/new_dl_info.jpg)
When did those start? Mine was issued in Jan 2010, and doesn't look like that.
[edit] From the pic, it looks like April 16.
[2nd edit] First new ones were issued 1 Oct 2010. It's interesting that they've changed the UV visible feature. The olde one is the CA flag, in reddish-orange and green.
Yeah, the cards use needs to be restricted. Only State issued Photo IDs can be used all of SarDragon's issues. The card should make it clear that it is NOT a state (or Federal) issued photo ID.
In almost 18 years in CAP I think that the only time that my membership card has been out of its wallet was at check in at a mission Base or when I had to make a copy for the admin officer in my Sq. Of course, I have a retired military card and use it for anything having to do with the military, the airlines and almost anything else.
Quote from: Krapenhoeffer on October 29, 2010, 05:47:10 AM
Yeah, the cards use needs to be restricted. Only State issued Photo IDs can be used all of SarDragon's issues. The card should make it clear that it is NOT a state (or Federal) issued photo ID.
That's funny. I almost never use my state issued identification for any of the purposes I mentioned. I use my retired Navy ID. The only time I can think of that I use the state ID (driver license) is when I rent cars.
The only person or agency who "restricts" how a respective ID is used, is the person or agency requesting an identification.
If your bank accepts your CAP ID as a photo ID, that is the bank's issue, not CAP's.
I suppose I should get into the habit of using my CAC more often, let that hard earned FERO stripe do something for me.
So once you have the card without the photo and you get your picture online will they send you a new card? Or will you have to buy one at that time? Or maybe a good question is can you buy these cards?
Quote from: Gung Ho on November 04, 2010, 06:02:12 PM
So once you have the card without the photo and you get your picture online will they send you a new card? Or will you have to buy one at that time? Or maybe a good question is can you buy these cards?
I believe you'll have to request a replacement card, which will cost you $4. Or you can wait until you renew again.
Well, thats why they're announcing it now and then the compliance date is over a year away. That will cover most of the membership automatically. Those others like myself who renew for longer periods will have to cough up for it.
Quote from: a2capt on November 05, 2010, 12:07:37 AM
Well, thats why they're announcing it now and then the compliance date is over a year away. That will cover most of the membership automatically. Those others like myself who renew for longer periods will have to cough up for it.
Well that's the last time you'll have to worry about- they did away with the multi-year renewal, right?
Quote from: jeders on November 04, 2010, 06:50:20 PM
Quote from: Gung Ho on November 04, 2010, 06:02:12 PM
So once you have the card without the photo and you get your picture online will they send you a new card? Or will you have to buy one at that time? Or maybe a good question is can you buy these cards?
I believe you'll have to request a replacement card, which will cost you $4. Or you can wait until you renew again.
Just something I keep seeing- the cards
no longer cost $4."Also starting on 1 Oct 2010, members will be charged $3 each for a duplicate or replacement card.......
.....The new gray CAP membership cards
replace both the old “blue” CAP ID card and the optional
$4 photo ID card, which are no longer available."
Emphasis mine. Hey, that's a dollar cheaper.
Quote from: DakRadz on November 05, 2010, 12:14:04 AM
Quote from: a2capt on November 05, 2010, 12:07:37 AM
Well, thats why they're announcing it now and then the compliance date is over a year away. That will cover most of the membership automatically. Those others like myself who renew for longer periods will have to cough up for it.
Well that's the last time you'll have to worry about- they did away with the multi-year renewal, right?
Where did you see that? I haven't seen or heard any news on that, and I renewed for 2 yrs in March.
Quote from: SarDragon on November 05, 2010, 01:42:52 AM
Quote from: DakRadz on November 05, 2010, 12:14:04 AM
Quote from: a2capt on November 05, 2010, 12:07:37 AM
Well, thats why they're announcing it now and then the compliance date is over a year away. That will cover most of the membership automatically. Those others like myself who renew for longer periods will have to cough up for it.
Well that's the last time you'll have to worry about- they did away with the multi-year renewal, right?
Where did you see that? I haven't seen or heard any news on that, and I renewed for 2 yrs in March.
Sonuva...
I deleted the email, but that was from GAWG/CC. She said that the renewals were to be limited to one year, despite the members (including herself) who made use of that option.
Happened in your backyard, sir- NB. It was even a big CT debate, and they did end up voting multi-years out.
Quote from: SarDragon on November 05, 2010, 01:42:52 AM
Quote from: DakRadz on November 05, 2010, 12:14:04 AM
Quote from: a2capt on November 05, 2010, 12:07:37 AM
Well, that's why they're announcing it now and then the compliance date is over a year away. That will cover most of the membership automatically. Those others like myself who renew for longer periods will have to cough up for it.
Well that's the last time you'll have to worry about- they did away with the multi-year renewal, right?
Where did you see that? I haven't seen or heard any news on that, and I renewed for 2 yrs in March.
The new commercial-off-the-shelf membership software NHQ is transitioning to does not support multi-year renewals. After 1 Jan 11, every member will be a year-to-year renewal. I read it a month or so ago, but don't have the reference at hand.
Quote from: Krapenhoeffer on October 29, 2010, 05:47:10 AM
Yeah, the cards use needs to be restricted. Only State issued Photo IDs can be used all of SarDragon's issues. The card should make it clear that it is NOT a state (or Federal) issued photo ID.
That's really not true though...You can show ID issued by most government organizations for some if those...Like a Green Card or DoD ID, Passport. Really it's up to the bank, pharmacy, guy checking age restrictions at the movies theater or whoever and their company policy to what they will or will not accept as valid identification. Some places will accept employer ID but you will not allowed to check in through TSA at the airport with that.
Make sure to renew before 1-January again, then .. just to be a thorn in their G/L for another three years, 'cause mines' up next by 28-Feb, 2012. It's usually about 60 days out they send the renewals.
My membership expires 30 Apr 12. The 90 day window falls back to 1 Feb. We'll see what happens.
Quote from: FlyTiger77 on November 05, 2010, 02:27:54 AM
The new commercial-off-the-shelf membership software NHQ is transitioning to does not support multi-year renewals. After 1 Jan 11, every member will be a year-to-year renewal. I read it a month or so ago, but don't have the reference at hand.
It was brought up and passed by the National Board in San Diego. However, the new software is supposed to enable us to have our memberships automatically renewed every year if they have an authorized credit card on file.
Quote from: DakRadz on November 05, 2010, 12:18:09 AM
Quote from: jeders on November 04, 2010, 06:50:20 PM
Quote from: Gung Ho on November 04, 2010, 06:02:12 PM
So once you have the card without the photo and you get your picture online will they send you a new card? Or will you have to buy one at that time? Or maybe a good question is can you buy these cards?
I believe you'll have to request a replacement card, which will cost you $4. Or you can wait until you renew again.
Just something I keep seeing- the cards no longer cost $4.
"Also starting on 1 Oct 2010, members will be charged $3 each for a duplicate or replacement card.......
.....The new gray CAP membership cards replace both the old "blue" CAP ID card and the optional $4 photo ID card, which are no longer available."
Emphasis mine. Hey, that's a dollar cheaper.
Sorry, $3 for a replacement, not $4.
Got my new id card today and it looks perfectly fine to me. If there are any graphic design problems they aren't terribly obvious.
Does anyone have a link to a picture of this new card? Or would anyone be willing to take a picture of theirs (with any private data whited out)?
Traded my "CAP, Retired" ID for one of these. Never did get one of them there newfangled library cards from NHQ, the only photo ID I ever had for CAP was the old wing-issued one.
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs137.snc4/37201_10150126401789409_521899408_7615411_1835833_n.jpg)
I finally got my new card(s) today....renewed a month ago.
I don't care for the new design....the picture is much smaller and instead of "Active Member" under the shield it now sez "Senior Member". Does that qualify me for the senior menu at Denny's? I am sick of the "Senior" label. What was wrong with "Active Member" and maybe "Cadet Member" for the kadinks?
Also the personal Characteristics are gone from the back.....hgt/wgt/eyes/hair.......that could be a problem as I know the gate guards at the AF base always flip the car over an look at the back.
Anyone know why the Visa hologram is now gone too??
Quote from: Smokey on November 09, 2010, 06:58:28 PM
I don't care for the new design....the picture is much smaller and instead of "Active Member" under the shield it now sez "Senior Member". Does that qualify me for the senior menu at Denny's? I am sick of the "Senior" label. What was wrong with "Active Member" and maybe "Cadet Member" for the kadinks?
I'm 26 years old, I have absolutely no problem with Senior Member. Lets just get past this and do our job.
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Anyone know why the Visa hologram is now gone too??
Cost. In order to keep the cost down, they chose to dump the hologram.
The Hologram looked like crud after several months. Besides, who's going to want to clone CAP IDs? You can't do anything with them that someone who's otherwise stupid wouldn't let happen with a faked driver license or such anyway.
As for "Senior Member" vs. "Active Member", they don't have a classification of "Active", just "Cadet", "Senior" "Patron", "Sponsor", etc ..
..and if that Senior gets you cheap coffee at McDonalds, well.. then.. :)
Someone had requested a picture, so here it is:
(http://i53.tinypic.com/33bmwav.jpg)
Shame that I had -just- missed getting my picture uploaded before they issued these.
Edit: Removed my barcode as well as my CAPID
Hmm... Those don't look too bad. I'll know more when I get mine in person. The picture I've got on eServices right now is awful though, might take a new one and order a new card someday...
I guess I'm still not clear on the "why" we need photo membership cards. What is wrong with the IDs we have today? Now that I think about it, I can't say that I've had to present my CAP ID Card anywhere in the last 5 years or so. So, what's the point? Why can't they be something like the AAA cards?
We have membership cards, and we have ID cards.
The former is what many folks refer to as the "library card." It is not, by itself, an adequate form of identification because it doesn't have a picture. The latter has a picture, and proves that you are you.
I have had to present identification every time I've entered a military base prosecuting an ELT search, and I use my membership card, and a picture ID to get through the gate.
Quote from: SarDragon on November 13, 2010, 07:52:05 AM
I have had to present identification every time I've entered a military base prosecuting an ELT search, and I use my membership card, and a picture ID to get through the gate.
Sort of proving that a CAP-specific photo ID isn't really necessary.
But, as long as the cost to CAP of issuing these photo IDs isn't way out of whack with the old library cards, I'm fine with them even if they aren't really needed.
I like the new photo ID. I had paid $4 this spring before the new policy because it looks more professional, and has provided an easier way to identify myself when going on-base. My wife, who isn't techo-savvy, took a head and shoulders shot. I uploaded the picture and adjusted, no sweat.
From what I understand, the savings on eliminating new cards on promotions, etc pretty much covers the cost of issuing photo IDs instead.
Quote from: SarDragon on November 13, 2010, 07:52:05 AM
We have membership cards, and we have ID cards.
The former is what many folks refer to as the "library card." It is not, by itself, an adequate form of identification because it doesn't have a picture. The latter has a picture, and proves that you are you.
I have had to present identification every time I've entered a military base prosecuting an ELT search, and I use my membership card, and a picture ID to get through the gate.
Dave, aren't you a "Brown Card?"
Quote from: jimmydeanno on November 13, 2010, 05:09:41 PM
Quote from: SarDragon on November 13, 2010, 07:52:05 AM
We have membership cards, and we have ID cards.
The former is what many folks refer to as the "library card." It is not, by itself, an adequate form of identification because it doesn't have a picture. The latter has a picture, and proves that you are you.
I have had to present identification every time I've entered a military base prosecuting an ELT search, and I use my membership card, and a picture ID to get through the gate.
Dave, aren't you a "Brown Card?"
Well, "Tan Card", and indeed I am, in addition to being a "Blue Card". I, and some of the gate guards, prefer ID associated with the purpose of the visit. I also have a base sticker, which aids access regardless of which ID I present.
Quote from: RiverAux on November 05, 2010, 09:56:18 PM
Got my new id card today and it looks perfectly fine to me. If there are any graphic design problems they aren't terribly obvious.
I was under the impression that the "new" photo ID card was like the "old" photo ID card, however looking at the photo someone just posted they are not the same.
I got my photo ID a few months ago and it essentially looks like this:
http://capblog.typepad.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/newcapidcard_1.jpg
The main difference is the MAJCOM is the current MAJCOM (without the US), but it still has the jagged edges and all (like a cut & paste hack job). The "new" one someone posted appears to have a nice smoother MAJCOM with no hologram. Also not seen in the above image, but my ID card has a white border going all around it. The new card appears to be much "smoother" in appearance.
(http://i53.tinypic.com/33bmwav.jpg)
Is the new card on PVC card stock (like the old Photo ID card) or is it the stock like the old "library card"?
Please forgive me if this has been discussed before, but what is the purpose of the barcode? Are we getting barcode readers at some future point to speed mission check-in?
Alabama has used a bar code scanner to scan membership cards or 101 cards for meetings, SAREXs, etc on several occasions.
I haven't seen one in use, yet, but they are cheap and most smartphones have that capability now.
With a copy of CAPWatch loaded you could use Excel out of the box with some macros to do your check in for just about any activity.
I used the bar codes for check in at CTWG's GTE earlier this month. Basic readers (USB or keyboard based) can be gotten fairly cheaply on e-Bay.
The bar code on the ID and the 101s (if you install the font) are in the format *999999*. The asterisks serve to cause entry of the digits and the equivalent of pressing the return key. This worked very well with the IMU
Quote from: spacecommand on November 28, 2010, 09:54:02 PM
Quote from: RiverAux on November 05, 2010, 09:56:18 PM
Got my new id card today and it looks perfectly fine to me. If there are any graphic design problems they aren't terribly obvious.
I was under the impression that the "new" photo ID card was like the "old" photo ID card, however looking at the photo someone just posted they are not the same.
I got my photo ID a few months ago and it essentially looks like this:
http://capblog.typepad.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/newcapidcard_1.jpg
The main difference is the MAJCOM is the current MAJCOM (without the US), but it still has the jagged edges and all (like a cut & paste hack job). The "new" one someone posted appears to have a nice smoother MAJCOM with no hologram. Also not seen in the above image, but my ID card has a white border going all around it. The new card appears to be much "smoother" in appearance.
(http://i53.tinypic.com/33bmwav.jpg)
Is the new card on PVC card stock (like the old Photo ID card) or is it the stock like the old "library card"?
So, the new cards don't have the eagle hologram?
I ordered a photo ID card on 15 Nov, but have not yet received it. I'm curious what changes will be seen upon its arrival.
Quote from: Eclipse on November 29, 2010, 02:52:03 PM
most smartphones have that capability now.
Yeah, but I've yet to see one that acted as a keyboard wedge, the only ones I have seen use it to scan UPCs to comparison-shop products or that simply display the encoded value (or go to an encoded URL, dial an encoded phone number, etc).
Quote from: JoeTomasone on November 29, 2010, 04:11:57 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on November 29, 2010, 02:52:03 PM
most smartphones have that capability now.
Yeah, but I've yet to see one that acted as a keyboard wedge, the only ones I have seen use it to scan UPCs to comparison-shop products or that simply display the encoded value (or go to an encoded URL, dial an encoded phone number, etc).
True, but the only thing in the bar code is your CAP ID. It would not be overly complicated to write an app that scanned the code
and inserted it into a table or spreadsheet at check-in.
Which is actually not a bad idea for encampments and similar, now that I think about it.
Hmmmm....
Quote from: Eclipse on November 29, 2010, 04:29:10 PM
Quote from: JoeTomasone on November 29, 2010, 04:11:57 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on November 29, 2010, 02:52:03 PM
most smartphones have that capability now.
Yeah, but I've yet to see one that acted as a keyboard wedge, the only ones I have seen use it to scan UPCs to comparison-shop products or that simply display the encoded value (or go to an encoded URL, dial an encoded phone number, etc).
True, but the only thing in the bar code is your CAP ID. It would not be overly complicated to write an app that scanned the code
and inserted it into a table or spreadsheet at check-in.
Which is actually not a bad idea for encampments and similar, now that I think about it.
Hmmmm....
Cost benefit?
Are you going to have every Squadron/Wing/etc. create such an app/interface? The barcode doesn't contain anything but the CAP ID. So, is there truly that much of a time savings to warrant the effort? Not really.
If National wants to put together an app, test it, then distribute along with scanners, then great. But the real fact is the bar code is little more than show to make it appear quasi-official.
You can't do an ROI on something which is free to start with.
Android apps cost zero to develop (the other platform is on the decline, so no point in spending money or time there).
This, like many other things, would be a couple hours of somebody's time because the "felt like it" - from there, use it or don't, just like the
encampment management program.
Quote from: JoeTomasone on November 29, 2010, 04:11:57 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on November 29, 2010, 02:52:03 PM
most smartphones have that capability now.
Yeah, but I've yet to see one that acted as a keyboard wedge, the only ones I have seen use it to scan UPCs to comparison-shop products or that simply display the encoded value (or go to an encoded URL, dial an encoded phone number, etc).
Many barcode reader apps don't work particularly well. That's because they're not really reading the barcode like a scanner does. They use the camera to take a picture of the barcode, the image is analyzed and the code is then returned. It's common to have issues because the camera cannot/is not properly focus to produce quality images, particularly in lower light situations. Not particularly reliable due to multiple variables.
Quote from: Eclipse on November 29, 2010, 05:05:46 PM
You can't do an ROI on something which is free to start with.
Android apps cost zero to develop (the other platform is on the decline, so no point in spending money or time there).
See post above.
Too many variables to make this a reliable option.
And a cost/benefit to be done, even if it's "free".
So if you have a cheap phone get an old bar code scanner on ebay for $10 or dig a Cue Cat out of the bottom of your sock drawer.
Quote from: Eclipse on November 29, 2010, 05:15:57 PM
So if you have a cheap phone get an old bar code scanner on ebay for $10 or dig a Cue Cat out of the bottom of your sock drawer.
Are you sending our squadron the fully developed app with interface and the $10 for the scanner?
Otherwise we'll keep the <2 seconds it takes to hand write a CAP ID and use the $10 to buy other squadron supplies. :)
I just got mine, and I think it is a rather good improvement. The only thing I could suggest would be a nice hologram of the CAP Seal.
Give me a break - it was an off-handed comment, not a fully-baked idea with a regulation requiring use.
Yes, I'd send the unit the app, or the Excel macros, or whatever.
Continue your carving of stone tablets, or don't...
I have several USB and PS/2 keyboard wedge barcode scanners that travel with my "kit" of stuff to CAP events.
Things like SAREXs, etc. Signing in people is a snap. ...and it eliminates the "do you have your ID card?" crap.
"We" don't "get" much from up above, "we" have to fend for ourselves most of the time. I've bought a few of these things over the years. They are horribly handy with book and laserdisc/DVD collections, hard drive RMA generating, etc.
It eliminates someone having to type a CAPID that can easily be misheard and or mistyped.
As far as programs / apps, if you can type the ID to find someone in an existing app the scanner does that automatically.
If this helps you, great.
Quote from: A.Member on November 29, 2010, 05:19:28 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on November 29, 2010, 05:15:57 PM
So if you have a cheap phone get an old bar code scanner on ebay for $10 or dig a Cue Cat out of the bottom of your sock drawer.
Are you sending our squadron the fully developed app with interface and the $10 for the scanner?
Otherwise we'll keep the <2 seconds it takes to hand write a CAP ID and use the $10 to buy other squadron supplies. :)
The basic idea for the barcode is to enable quick sign-in at meetings, missions, etc. We ave used the concept here for several years, almost since the first inception of the WMU. The programming was built into the first versions, but I don't know if it's still there. Scan the code, and all your info is on the screen, now. It's very handy on missions.
I don't really understand the Luddite attitude. If a unit wants to pursue the technology, have at it. If not, no loss.
Quote from: phirons on November 29, 2010, 06:08:25 PM
It eliminates someone having to type a CAPID that can easily be misheard and or mistyped.
As far as programs / apps, if you can type the ID to find someone in an existing app the scanner does that automatically.
If this helps you, great.
How so? To what database will you connect? There is no master database to be accessed unless you want to try and create and maintain that as well. However, I'd suggest that approach would take no longer than 6 months for the DB to become very outdated. Also, how would members that attend from other units be handled? Point is, the best that can be done is to record the ID # only. All other member info would still need to be collected manually. So, what value does that really provide?
I don't know how you guys run SAREX's, but more than just a CAP ID is collected at sign in. When someone arrives at a SAREX they supply their own info, including emergency contact, signature, etc.
I'm certainly not opposed to developing a useful solution using the barcodes provided it truly brings value - we have enough pseudo-solution, half-baked applications floating around already.
A barcode reader solution potentially could save some time if developed and implemented correctly - ie. consistently. To do so effectively requires a tie into a National records database. Such a solution requires that level of support because it's simply not a task that can be done effectively at the unit level. The question also must be answered as to how devices will be procured and at what cost? To illustrate the point, if we go with the aforementioned $10 pricetag (very cheap) and say that each Wing has 5 squadrons (very understated, I don't know the actual number of active CAP squadrons but it's certainly much higher than that) we come up with ~$2,500 in hardware expense. And what about maintenance/replacement when the device is lost or broken?
Now, if someone, say Eclipse, or some unit wants to build this model out for National, I'm sure they wouldn't mind and I'd certainly applaud the effort but it requires more than a 15 minute commitment. Thus, the cost/benefit factor.
So, who's willing to devote the time to forward on this project?
You appear to be ignoring, or have missed, the key item here - WMU. The database is almost real-time (-24 hrs or less), and the application is available online. There's nothing else that needs to be developed on order to make practical use of a bar code reader. We use it locally to track meeting attendance and whatever else the CC decides to do with it.
As I said above, if a unit wants to pursue the technology, have at it. If not, no loss. The barcode is available on the ID and 101 cards. What you do with it is your choice. Nothing is being forced on anyone.
Excel reads barcodes of the box and a few macros makes it useful.
CAPWatch is available to all commanders at whatever echelon is appropriate, it contains 99% of what would be needed from
a "who are you" standpoint, and is flat text files.
Members are supposed to be handing in Form 60's when they walk in the door.
Exceptions are entered manually.
Not every unit needs this, but $10 is clearly within the budget of any unit if they do, likewise major activities and mission Logistics people.
None of this has to be rocket science unless you force it to be.
Quote from: SarDragon on November 29, 2010, 10:54:04 PM
You appear to be ignoring, or have missed, the key item here - WMU. The database is almost real-time (-24 hrs or less), and the application is available online. There's nothing else that needs to be developed on order to make practical use of a bar code reader. We use it locally to track meeting attendance and whatever else the CC decides to do with it.
As I said above, if a unit wants to pursue the technology, have at it. If not, no loss. The barcode is available on the ID and 101 cards. What you do with it is your choice. Nothing is being forced on anyone.
I saw your comment about the WMU. To be honest, I've never used it so I can't say for certain what it's capability is. The fact that the maintainer of the site can't seem to work out his certificate issues may be a key reason why I've stayed away and speaks to one of my earlier points.
Quote from: Eclipse on November 29, 2010, 11:06:14 PM
None of this has to be rocket science unless you force it to be.
Agreed, it doesn't need to be rocket science but it does need to be documented, consistent, and should be accessible by every unit.
Quote from: A.Member on November 29, 2010, 11:24:58 PMI saw your comment about the WMU. To be honest, I've never used it so I can't say for certain what it's capability is.
Think MS access circa 1998. Since it isn't even accessible to a lot of wings, it isn't really an option. At this point it is really just a client
for eServices.
Quote from: A.Member on November 29, 2010, 11:24:58 PM
The fact that the maintainer of the site can't seem to work out his certificate issues may be a key reason why I've stayed away and speaks to one of my earlier points.
That is fixed by installing the DOD root certificates.
Don't know if anybody posted this before, or not, but...
I talked to NHQ yesterday, and my questions on the new ID card came up, and I actually got immediate answers. Whether the immediate answers were the right answers, we'll see, but according to the NHQ folks:
1. The practice of issuing temporary ID cards pending the FBI check will end, or maybe already has ended. A temporary printable membership confirmation will be available on line.
2. From the time the membership shows up in e-services and a CAPID number is assigned, you will have about 2-3 weeks to upload a photo of the member. The photo will then be on his CAPID card and 101 card.
3. The CAPID card will not be issued until the FBI check is cleared.
Yesterday I went into my HQ and nailed a 4x4 foot piece of white painted wood to the wall to use as a photo background. We will take pix of the new guys as soon as their CAPID number is assigned. Writing the procedure this weekend.
What I can't explain is why wasn't this procedure sent out to the membership in the detail I just got by calling NHQ?
Quote from: JohnKachenmeister on December 04, 2010, 03:58:42 PM
What I can't explain is why wasn't this procedure sent out to the membership in the detail I just got by calling NHQ?
Makes too much sense? Too easy? Logical idea? Too lazy? Too busy? Didn't think about it? No one told them to?
Darts, anyone?
I snagged a Metrologic laser scanner for my CAP squadron some years ago.
Each meeting night, they setup SIMS for the barcode entry, plug the USB scanner into the laptop, and they're off to the races. And its on the plastic stand, so all you do is pass your card under it.
Honestly, I've always wanted one of the slot-based barcode readers, but they're a lot of trouble and they're hard to find.
To follow up on times this process is taking, I just got my CAP photo ID today. My membership was approved on 20 Oct., had my photo uploaded and approved online by 1 Nov. Taking a while, but it looks like they're getting somewhere, at least.
3) I don't understand why cadet photos should not also be mandatory.
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Ive heard that there is a legal issue with cadets having the photos.
I suspect if it were a "legal" issue, they would not have it be optional for cadets. The legality is more that it's just not needed, so why burden the system with it.
It gets the cards out quicker, the cadet functioning quicker as an ID card is required for participation.
Where as an adult is probably figuratively, capable of doing more for themselves, sooner.
Even though we all do mass-unit photo shoots, and help each other out anyway. As far as I'm concerned, the cadets can get photos uploaded, let 'em get a card that doesn't have a blank spot on it.
I'm just disappointed there's no charter # on the card anymore. But.. that makes the card more portable, so I understand why. ... so when the cadet presents a test paper I can say "that number is on your ID card, too".
Quote from: a2capt on December 14, 2010, 01:10:49 AM
I suspect if it were a "legal" issue, they would not have it be optional for cadets. The legality is more that it's just not needed, so why burden the system with it.
It gets the cards out quicker, the cadet functioning quicker as an ID card is required for participation.
Where as an adult is probably figuratively, capable of doing more for themselves, sooner.
Even though we all do mass-unit photo shoots, and help each other out anyway. As far as I'm concerned, the cadets can get photos uploaded, let 'em get a card that doesn't have a blank spot on it.
I'm just disappointed there's no charter # on the card anymore. But.. that makes the card more portable, so I understand why. ... so when the cadet presents a test paper I can say "that number is on your ID card, too".
I still think there needs to atleast be a unit charter number on the card.
Quote from: JArvey on December 14, 2010, 11:50:19 AM
Quote from: a2capt on December 14, 2010, 01:10:49 AM
I suspect if it were a "legal" issue, they would not have it be optional for cadets. The legality is more that it's just not needed, so why burden the system with it.
It gets the cards out quicker, the cadet functioning quicker as an ID card is required for participation.
Where as an adult is probably figuratively, capable of doing more for themselves, sooner.
Even though we all do mass-unit photo shoots, and help each other out anyway. As far as I'm concerned, the cadets can get photos uploaded, let 'em get a card that doesn't have a blank spot on it.
I'm just disappointed there's no charter # on the card anymore. But.. that makes the card more portable, so I understand why. ... so when the cadet presents a test paper I can say "that number is on your ID card, too".
I still think there needs to atleast be a unit charter number on the card.
Why?
Quote from: DakRadz on December 14, 2010, 12:04:21 PM
Quote from: JArvey on December 14, 2010, 11:50:19 AM
Quote from: a2capt on December 14, 2010, 01:10:49 AM
I suspect if it were a "legal" issue, they would not have it be optional for cadets. The legality is more that it's just not needed, so why burden the system with it.
It gets the cards out quicker, the cadet functioning quicker as an ID card is required for participation.
Where as an adult is probably figuratively, capable of doing more for themselves, sooner.
Even though we all do mass-unit photo shoots, and help each other out anyway. As far as I'm concerned, the cadets can get photos uploaded, let 'em get a card that doesn't have a blank spot on it.
I'm just disappointed there's no charter # on the card anymore. But.. that makes the card more portable, so I understand why. ... so when the cadet presents a test paper I can say "that number is on your ID card, too".
I still think there needs to atleast be a unit charter number on the card.
Why?
Lets say a new cadet is applying for encampment or such and forgot the charter number his commander told him, the cadet will not have eservices up yet so he used to be stuck just looking at the ID card but not anymore.
Quote from: JArvey on December 15, 2010, 02:58:07 AM
Lets say a new cadet is applying for encampment or such and forgot the charter number his commander told him, the cadet will not have eservices up yet so he used to be stuck just looking at the ID card but not anymore.
Seems like a stretch. A cadet isn't going to apply to encampment or anything else without having established an eServices account.
Minor details like OPSEC and Introduction to CAP Safety...
If properly conducted, you will have eServices long before that little plastic card.
Besides, Google provides a Wing website which generally contains the squadron numbers (and if you refer to GAWG, it does).
Also, the charter number of an encampment app (if paper form) is something you can leave blank until the next meeting.
If you have to mail it soon, call someone.
All reasons why charter number on the card isn't necessary.
Quote from: DakRadz on December 15, 2010, 07:40:44 AM
If properly conducted, you will have eServices long before that little plastic card.
Besides, Google provides a Wing website which generally contains the squadron numbers (and if you refer to GAWG, it does).
Also, the charter number of an encampment app (if paper form) is something you can leave blank until the next meeting.
If you have to mail it soon, call someone.
All reasons why charter number on the card isn't necessary.
Well my old commander dint tell me about eservices until I had been in a year, and GAWG does but not all the wings and it would make it easier if they just kept it on there.
Quote from: JArvey on December 15, 2010, 11:57:32 AM
Quote from: DakRadz on December 15, 2010, 07:40:44 AM
If properly conducted, you will have eServices long before that little plastic card.
Besides, Google provides a Wing website which generally contains the squadron numbers (and if you refer to GAWG, it does).
Also, the charter number of an encampment app (if paper form) is something you can leave blank until the next meeting.
If you have to mail it soon, call someone.
All reasons why charter number on the card isn't necessary.
Well my old commander dint tell me about eservices until I had been in a year, and GAWG does but not all the wings and it would make it easier if they just kept it on there.
There was a failure there. eServices is also described in the new member packet if I remember right.
Either way, that is not common at all. Most people have eServices fairly quick-like.
My CC even had me help one of our new cadets mother through the process- <15 min at the meeting.
Quote from: DakRadz on December 16, 2010, 12:19:54 AM
Quote from: JArvey on December 15, 2010, 11:57:32 AM
Quote from: DakRadz on December 15, 2010, 07:40:44 AM
If properly conducted, you will have eServices long before that little plastic card.
Besides, Google provides a Wing website which generally contains the squadron numbers (and if you refer to GAWG, it does).
Also, the charter number of an encampment app (if paper form) is something you can leave blank until the next meeting.
If you have to mail it soon, call someone.
All reasons why charter number on the card isn't necessary.
Well my old commander dint tell me about eservices until I had been in a year, and GAWG does but not all the wings and it would make it easier if they just kept it on there.
There was a failure there. eServices is also described in the new member packet if I remember right.
Either way, that is not common at all. Most people have eServices fairly quick-like.
My CC even had me help one of our new cadets mother through the process- <15 min at the meeting.
Encampment apps have to be signed by the CC before they can be mailed. Thus the charter number can be added at that time. However I would not send a cadet to encampment that could not remember their own unit number. That cadet would need a little more seasoning before I would feel comfortable sending them.
Encampment apps have to be signed by the CC before they can be mailed. Thus the charter number can be added at that time. However I would not send a cadet to encampment that could not remember their own unit number. That cadet would need a little more seasoning before I would feel comfortable sending them.
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I went to encampment when I was 12 (after being in CAP for about 2 weeks and being a airmen for 3 days) and it was more helpful than any other activity I have done in CAP and it would not have helped as much if I had not gone when I was new to the program. That is the difference between our leadership programs and others (Army Cadet Core, Young Marines, Sea Cadets, etc.) that CAP has them at all stages in the cadet program. In my personal opinion I think you should let any cadet wanting go to encampment go as soon as they can. And I am assuming that you have not let one go before, but I could be wrong.
Quote from: EMT-83 on December 15, 2010, 03:46:37 AM
Quote from: JArvey on December 15, 2010, 02:58:07 AM
Lets say a new cadet is applying for encampment or such and forgot the charter number his commander told him, the cadet will not have eservices up yet so he used to be stuck just looking at the ID card but not anymore.
Seems like a stretch. A cadet isn't going to apply to encampment or anything else without having established an eServices account.
Minor details like OPSEC and Introduction to CAP Safety...
We're back to this...
You can't go to encampment without your Curry. You can't get your Curry without eServices, because you can't promote without OPSEC and Introduction to CAP Safety (effective 31 Dec).
Horse is now officially dead.
Quote from: EMT-83 on December 16, 2010, 02:26:32 AM
Horse is now officially dead.
Does this mean they can start breaking out the blunt instrument of their choice and start beating that dead horse.
Quote from: SARDOC on December 16, 2010, 02:29:19 AM
Quote from: EMT-83 on December 16, 2010, 02:26:32 AM
Horse is now officially dead.
Does this mean they can start breaking out the blunt instrument of their choice and start beating that dead horse.
I call the sledgehammer...
Quote from: EMT-83 on December 16, 2010, 02:26:32 AM
Quote from: EMT-83 on December 15, 2010, 03:46:37 AM
Quote from: JArvey on December 15, 2010, 02:58:07 AM
Lets say a new cadet is applying for encampment or such and forgot the charter number his commander told him, the cadet will not have eservices up yet so he used to be stuck just looking at the ID card but not anymore.
Seems like a stretch. A cadet isn’t going to apply to encampment or anything else without having established an eServices account.
Minor details like OPSEC and Introduction to CAP Safety…
We’re back to this…
You can’t go to encampment without your Curry. You can’t get your Curry without eServices, because you can’t promote without OPSEC and Introduction to CAP Safety (effective 31 Dec).
Horse is now officially dead.
Thank you, sir! I
knew there was something eServices was required for. I had to do all that online when I joined, but forgot. CRS at a young age is not a good sign... ;D
Quote from: DakRadz on December 16, 2010, 02:54:52 AM
...but forgot. CRS at a young age is not a good sign... ;D
I've had that for a while now. Sucks man.
Quote from: EMT-83 on December 16, 2010, 02:26:32 AM
Quote from: EMT-83 on December 15, 2010, 03:46:37 AM
Quote from: JArvey on December 15, 2010, 02:58:07 AM
Lets say a new cadet is applying for encampment or such and forgot the charter number his commander told him, the cadet will not have eservices up yet so he used to be stuck just looking at the ID card but not anymore.
Seems like a stretch. A cadet isn't going to apply to encampment or anything else without having established an eServices account.
Minor details like OPSEC and Introduction to CAP Safety...
We're back to this...
You can't go to encampment without your Curry. You can't get your Curry without eServices, because you can't promote without OPSEC and Introduction to CAP Safety (effective 31 Dec).
Horse is now officially dead.
You can do OPSEC without eServices. https://tests.cap.af.mil/opsec/main.cfm Heck you don't even need to have a live internet connection to do it. As far as I can tell you can not take the safety quiz without eServices which could be a problem for some people.
I forgot that link was available. But you still need to know your CAPID!
We set up a computer lab / testing area for those without easy access to a computer. Units without a permanent home or an Internet connection are going to have to get creative.
Quote from: EMT-83 on December 16, 2010, 04:43:45 AM
I forgot that link was available. But you still need to know your CAPID!
We set up a computer lab / testing area for those without easy access to a computer. Units without a permanent home or an Internet connection are going to have to get creative.
http://reviews.sprint.com/5611v2/115/mifi-2200-by-novatel-wireless-reviews/reviews.htm
http://www.clear.com/devices/spot
and a bunch of smartphones can be hotspots or tethered.
Quote from: Eclipse on December 16, 2010, 05:01:20 AM
Quote from: EMT-83 on December 16, 2010, 04:43:45 AM
I forgot that link was available. But you still need to know your CAPID!
We set up a computer lab / testing area for those without easy access to a computer. Units without a permanent home or an Internet connection are going to have to get creative.
http://reviews.sprint.com/5611v2/115/mifi-2200-by-novatel-wireless-reviews/reviews.htm (http://reviews.sprint.com/5611v2/115/mifi-2200-by-novatel-wireless-reviews/reviews.htm)
http://www.clear.com/devices/spot (http://www.clear.com/devices/spot)
and a bunch of smartphones can be hotspots or tethered.
Using a smartphone or mifi can get stupid expensive in a hurry since they have a 5gb/month cap. Clear only works in metro areas. When I checked a few months ago my area was not covered at all.
Quote from: davidsinn on December 16, 2010, 05:10:39 AM
Quote from: Eclipse on December 16, 2010, 05:01:20 AM
Quote from: EMT-83 on December 16, 2010, 04:43:45 AM
I forgot that link was available. But you still need to know your CAPID!
We set up a computer lab / testing area for those without easy access to a computer. Units without a permanent home or an Internet connection are going to have to get creative.
http://reviews.sprint.com/5611v2/115/mifi-2200-by-novatel-wireless-reviews/reviews.htm (http://reviews.sprint.com/5611v2/115/mifi-2200-by-novatel-wireless-reviews/reviews.htm)
http://www.clear.com/devices/spot (http://www.clear.com/devices/spot)
and a bunch of smartphones can be hotspots or tethered.
Using a smartphone or mifi can get stupid expensive in a hurry since they have a 5gb/month cap. Clear only works in metro areas. When I checked a few months ago my area was not covered at all.
Not all. Unlimited data pack - $15/mo. Sprint. If I have a signal, I have data access.
Nobody but people serving torrents is clocking more than 5GB a month.
You're going to be hard-pressed to find someone on their phone more than me and I'm doing about 2.5.
Certainly cadet testing and other legit CAP use would never come close.
Quote from: Eclipse on December 16, 2010, 05:24:39 AM
Nobody but people serving torrents is clocking more than 5GB a month.
You're going to be hard-pressed to find someone on their phone more than me and I'm doing about 2.5.
Certainly cadet testing and other legit CAP use would never come close.
I used 3gb in the first four days I had my phone. Granted that was my only internet for a week and I was playing with youtube a lot... ;D
Or you have a legacy account and Cradle Point device, instead. Then there's no 5GB cap.
But yeah, hence I my comment about the charter # not being on there, making it more portable. I just plug in the Cradle Point and there's internet in our building for those who don't have it, works quite well.
Otherwise the thing is vehicle mounted, so I'm a rolling hot spot anyway. I typically hit 8-10GB in the Summer months, because I'll use the thing more and have the computer on the mount in the car, too.
More and more parents are buying their kids "pre-paid" phone service. This to keep from getting those several hundred dollar cell phone bills. While pre-paid allows a smartphone, the charge for data access or even texting kills the pre-paid amount pretty quickly.
Quote from: EMT-83 on December 16, 2010, 02:26:32 AM
Quote from: EMT-83 on December 15, 2010, 03:46:37 AM
Quote from: JArvey on December 15, 2010, 02:58:07 AM
Lets say a new cadet is applying for encampment or such and forgot the charter number his commander told him, the cadet will not have eservices up yet so he used to be stuck just looking at the ID card but not anymore.
Seems like a stretch. A cadet isn't going to apply to encampment or anything else without having established an eServices account.
Minor details like OPSEC and Introduction to CAP Safety...
We're back to this...
You can't go to encampment without your Curry. You can't get your Curry without eServices, because you can't promote without OPSEC and Introduction to CAP Safety (effective 31 Dec).
Horse is now officially dead.
I did OPSEC through a link from a yahoo search, and I did not have to do CAP Safety for some reason.
QuoteI did OPSEC through a link from a yahoo search, and I did not have to do CAP Safety for some reason.
Intro to CAP Safety was not required for Level One and the Curry until recently. Interim change letter says: All current members must complete the current introductory safety education module,
Introduction to CAP Safety for New Members, by 31 March 2011. This includes all members
that have previously completed the Basic Safety course or have earned a specialty track rating in
safety.
Quote from: Eclipse on December 16, 2010, 05:24:39 AM
Nobody but people serving torrents is clocking more than 5GB a month.
First of all my house has more than that, and my squadron has way more than that because we do cyberpatriot and we have somtimes 5 computers running at once.
Quote from: JArvey on December 17, 2010, 11:56:57 AM
Quote from: Eclipse on December 16, 2010, 05:24:39 AM
Nobody but people serving torrents is clocking more than 5GB a month.
First of all my house has more than that, and my squadron has way more than that because we do cyberpatriot and we have somtimes 5 computers running at once.
JArvey, he meant 5GB a month
on your cell phone.
Quote from: Eclipse on December 16, 2010, 05:24:39 AM
Nobody but people serving torrents is clocking more than 5GB a month.
Holy crap, since July I've been clocking 20-40GB every couple of weeks, and that's just to beta test a game. In November it was another 30GB for the live version.
That's just a single online game, not to mention the others I play which patch every week or two.
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Quote from: jimmydeanno on December 17, 2010, 04:08:15 PM
Quote from: JArvey on December 17, 2010, 11:56:57 AM
Quote from: Eclipse on December 16, 2010, 05:24:39 AM
Nobody but people serving torrents is clocking more than 5GB a month.
First of all my house has more than that, and my squadron has way more than that because we do cyberpatriot and we have somtimes 5 computers running at once.
JArvey, he meant 5GB a month on your cell phone.
I'm guessing he, like me, didn't see the distinction made. Either way I'm keeping what I said above intact as I did indeed say it. I was thinking he was using an ISP that actually had download limits, as some do though I'm not sure who exactly.
Quote from: Eclipse on December 16, 2010, 05:24:39 AM
Nobody but people serving torrents is clocking more than 5GB a month.
You're going to be hard-pressed to find someone on their phone more than me and I'm doing about 2.5.
Certainly cadet testing and other legit CAP use would never come close.
I was using this post, as well as the few just before it.
I had thought those were 3 completely separate thoughts. I'm all for using the internet in imaginative ways, but never would even think of using my phone for an online test.
Quote from: Tim Medeiros on December 17, 2010, 04:47:53 PM
I had thought those were 3 completely separate thoughts. I'm all for using the internet in imaginative ways, but never would even think of using my phone for an online test.
I'm pretty sure that the intent was to use the phone's mobile wi-fi capabilities to provide normal laptops the internet access. The online tests don't transmit or receive that much data, so even people with phone carriers that limit data usage to 5GB/month, should have no problem offering their phone to provide the access.
Quote from: Tim Medeiros on December 17, 2010, 04:47:53 PM
I had thought those were 3 completely separate thoughts. I'm all for using the internet in imaginative ways, but never would even think of using my phone for an online test.
We had Cadets complete OPSEC on a cell phone at a recent ACUT/BCUT class. <shrug>
Quote from: jimmydeanno on December 17, 2010, 04:57:48 PM
Quote from: Tim Medeiros on December 17, 2010, 04:47:53 PM
I had thought those were 3 completely separate thoughts. I'm all for using the internet in imaginative ways, but never would even think of using my phone for an online test.
I'm pretty sure that the intent was to use the phone's mobile wi-fi capabilities to provide normal laptops the internet access. The online tests don't transmit or receive that much data, so even people with phone carriers that limit data usage to 5GB/month, should have no problem offering their phone to provide the access.
That would be why I didn't think of that, my phone doesn't have that capability
Quote from: JoeTomasone on December 17, 2010, 05:00:30 PM
Quote from: Tim Medeiros on December 17, 2010, 04:47:53 PM
I had thought those were 3 completely separate thoughts. I'm all for using the internet in imaginative ways, but never would even think of using my phone for an online test.
We had Cadets complete OPSEC on a cell phone at a recent ACUT/BCUT class. <shrug>
To be fair, OPSEC isn't exactly a "test" :P
Is there any accepted equivalence for the OPSEC course? I have certificates from the Inter-agency OPSEC Support Staff and National Cryptologic School.
Really? Agreeing to the NDA is that much of a pain?
You don't even need to look at the slides.......
Quote from: nesagsar on December 17, 2010, 09:24:31 PM
Is there any accepted equivalence for the OPSEC course? I have certificates from the Inter-agency OPSEC Support Staff and National Cryptologic School.
It takes less time and bandwidth than one page of a uniform argument, sir. I promise.
I was not aware that it will be that simple. To get those certs I had to sit through classes and take real tests.
All it is essentially is signing a Non Disclosure Agreement, before that is a PowerPoint explaining what it is.
Without reading the entire seven pages of posts how far do I need to go back to find out where this thread went way off topic? >:D
Quote from: SARDOC on December 17, 2010, 11:48:42 PM
Without reading the entire seven pages of posts how far do I need to go back to find out where this thread went way off topic? >:D
A safe bet is somewhere between pages 2 and 3. ::)
A good bet, but a bit surprising that it didn't turn into a uniform thread before page 3.
Oh, maybe the ID card is considered an item of uniform.
Quote from: bosshawk on December 18, 2010, 12:31:50 AM
A good bet, but a bit surprising that it didn't turn into a uniform thread before page 3.
Oh, maybe the ID card is considered an item of uniform.
I was just thinking the same thing?
Interesting thread, to say the least...
Quote from: bosshawk on December 18, 2010, 12:31:50 AM
A good bet, but a bit surprising that it didn't turn into a uniform thread before page 3.
Oh, maybe the ID card is considered an item of uniform.
If you do consider the ID card a Uniform Item...Could this be the First time a Uniform thread was turned into a communications/IT thread?
Quote from: SARDOC on December 18, 2010, 01:58:30 AM
Quote from: bosshawk on December 18, 2010, 12:31:50 AM
A good bet, but a bit surprising that it didn't turn into a uniform thread before page 3.
Oh, maybe the ID card is considered an item of uniform.
If you do consider the ID card a Uniform Item...Could this be the First time a Uniform thread was turned into a communications/IT thread?
No, because that would cause a rupture in the space/time continuum.
I am pretty sure the ID card is a uniform item. You can't be on a mission without it can you?
http://www.virginmobileusa.com/mobile-broadband/mifi-2200.html
I have one of these guys rolling around in my car somewhere... The up-front sticker shock is a bit high but having pre-paid data is NICE. I used it for some web surfing (much more than the OPSEC or safety class) while camping earlier this year and didn't come close to my 250MB cap.
Quote from: manfredvonrichthofen on December 18, 2010, 02:35:18 AM
I am pretty sure the ID card is a uniform item. You can't be on a mission without it can you?
I've checked the Gospel of CAPM 39-1 and there is no mention of anything requiring you to carry ID as a part of your uniform. So I'll have to go with no >:D
It is required while on a ground team though.
Quote from: BTCS1* on December 19, 2010, 05:27:50 AM
It is required while on a ground team though.
Reg cite?
The only national-level thing I've been able to find (and the magic KB also agrees with this) is in the 52-16 regarding cadet's attendance of encampment. However, even that doesn't state that it needs to be
on the person, simply that you need to have one (and your Curry achievement completed) in order to attend.
Quote from: PhoenixCadet on December 19, 2010, 05:32:30 AM
Quote from: BTCS1* on December 19, 2010, 05:27:50 AM
It is required while on a ground team though.
Reg cite?
The only national-level thing I've been able to find (and the magic KB also agrees with this) is in the 52-16 regarding cadet's attendance of encampment. However, even that doesn't state that it needs to be on the person, simply that you need to have one (and your Curry achievement completed) in order to attend.
The Closet I can find is CAPR 60-3 it has a few references to the Membership card must be presented with your 101 card/SQTR for operations and Training. Do a word search for Membership card and you'll find it. But nothing that actually says it has to be on your person. But I would think it would be hard to present if it were not on your person
Quote from: SARDOC on December 19, 2010, 06:13:13 AM
Quote from: PhoenixCadet on December 19, 2010, 05:32:30 AM
Quote from: BTCS1* on December 19, 2010, 05:27:50 AM
It is required while on a ground team though.
Reg cite?
The only national-level thing I've been able to find (and the magic KB also agrees with this) is in the 52-16 regarding cadet's attendance of encampment. However, even that doesn't state that it needs to be on the person, simply that you need to have one (and your Curry achievement completed) in order to attend.
The Closet I can find is CAPR 60-3 it has a few references to the Membership card must be presented with your 101 card/SQTR for operations and Training. Do a word search for Membership card and you'll find it. But nothing that actually says it has to be on your person. But I would think it would be hard to present if it were not on your person
Roger. I wasn't doubting that there was no other place that said it (especially when it comes to operations stuff), just lookin' for sources.
It is not a regulation, but my squadron and many encampments require you to carry it on your person at all times.
From the GT Task Guide: Task O-0001 "c) All CAP Identification, including 101 card, 76 card, First Aid card, etc. (T)"
Thank you guys got them before I could. So there you go, there are your cites. It is a required item, if you don't have it at check in for anything other than regular meetings you should be turned away, especially at any ES operation.
Quote
Reg cite?
Quote from: AFI10-2701 Para. 1.3.5...CAP ID cards must meet Air Force standards and are considered a uniform item...
So the Air Force certainly considers our ID card a uniform item.
Yes. A few years ago, somebody proposed a CAPID that was in vertical format and looked a little like the CAC-card. The AF wasted no time in telling is "No."
so cadets dont get one with a pic on it, even if they upload a pic?
Quote from: shlebz on February 17, 2011, 02:18:49 AM
so cadets dont get one with a pic on it, even if they upload a pic?
Cadets get a photo if the photo is in eservices and approved.Cadets over 18 get a photo ID if the photo is in eservices and approved.
Cadets under age 18 do not get a photo ID.
Cadets are just not required to have a photo, but they can have one.
That's what I said... ::)
Now maybe someone can tell me why a verified photo isn't required as part of the membership package...
How's this for a new ID
>:D >:D >:D >:D >:D
for the record i was just bored in photoshop :P
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b221/Viper0116/CAPCAC.jpg)
Quote from: Dragon 3-2 on March 08, 2011, 05:21:07 PM
How's this for a new ID
>:D >:D >:D >:D >:D
for the record i was just bored in photoshop :P
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b221/Viper0116/CAPCAC.jpg)
Already tried that. Got shot down.
http://capblog.typepad.com/capblog/2005/03/cap_to_adopt_ne.html
Quote from: PhoenixCadet on March 08, 2011, 05:31:15 PM
Quote from: Dragon 3-2 on March 08, 2011, 05:21:07 PM
How's this for a new ID
>:D >:D >:D >:D >:D
for the record i was just bored in photoshop :P
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b221/Viper0116/CAPCAC.jpg)
Already tried that. Got shot down.
http://capblog.typepad.com/capblog/2005/03/cap_to_adopt_ne.html
Quote from: AFI 10-2701 1.3.5The CAP ID card must be sufficiently different
from U.S. Armed Forces ID card that confusion will not occur.
Obviously an ID card like those is way to close to what the real military uses to ever be allowed.
Quote from: BTCS1* on December 24, 2010, 06:21:48 AM
From the GT Task Guide: Task O-0001 "c) All CAP Identification, including 101 card, 76 card, First Aid card, etc. (T)"
Thats a GT Task guide, not 39-1, so I do need it for getting signed off for ES, but according to regs it doesn't look like much else
Agreed, however many squadrons (including my own), have local policies that require members to have their IDs on their person while at meetings/in uniform.
It's always a good idea to have your membership card with you when you're on any CAP activity.
Quote from: SarDragon on March 10, 2011, 05:21:33 AM
It's always a good idea to have your membership card with you when you're on any CAP activity.
The official sign in log from NHQ has check boxes for CAPID and F60 among others...