General ranks in your squadron

Hummingbird · April 15, 2016, 04:31:19 PM

Out of curiosity, I'd like to know what other squadrons are made up of. As of now, my squadron has:

About 15-17 senior members

20-25 cadets consisting of:
About 5 cadets somewhere in the rank of Airman
10-15 or so sergeants
And the rest are officers.

Here at Vanguard, we're fairly top heavy.

Flying Pig · April 15, 2016, 05:44:10 PM

So out of 25 cadets, only about 5 are cadet officers? I wouldn't call that top heavy. But I would say that is about what my Sq was when I was the CC. Its all a up and down. Cadets seem to join in batches. One cadet joins, several get recruited along with that cadet and they progress through roughly the same pace.

stillamarine · April 15, 2016, 05:44:49 PM

Quote from: Hummingbird on April 15, 2016, 04:31:19 PM
Out of curiosity, I'd like to know what other squadrons are made up of. As of now, my squadron has:

About 15-17 senior members

20-25 cadets consisting of:
About 5 cadets somewhere in the rank of Airman
10-15 or so sergeants
And the rest are officers.

Here at Vanguard, we're fairly top heavy.

So you should be recruiting.........

RogueLeader · April 15, 2016, 05:49:29 PM

3 Cols
4 Lt Cols
1 Maj
1 Capt
1 1st Lt

Bryce7454 · April 15, 2016, 07:59:13 PM

On record: 16 senior members
2 Col.
2 Maj.
3 Capt.
3 1stLT
2 2ndLT
6 SM

And 24 cadets with poor cadet leadership on record:
1 2nd LT who is off at college
7 sergeants C/SSgt- C/CMSgt
15 Cadets Cadet - C/SrA

vesryn · April 15, 2016, 08:58:56 PM

Cadets:

7 C/AB - C/SrA
5 (2 active) C/SSgt - C/CMSgt
1 Cadet Officer

Seniors:

3 SM's
4 2d Lt's
1 1st Lt
3 Captains
2 Majors

NC Hokie · April 16, 2016, 02:01:53 PM

I'll play...

3 Lt Col
2 Maj
3 Capt
3 2d Lt
2 SM (inc one Cadet Sponsor Member)

1 C/1st Lt
1 C/CMSgt
1 C/SMSgt
3 C/MSgt
1 C/SrA
6 C/A1C
7 C/Amn
6 C/AB

etodd · April 16, 2016, 06:47:01 PM

33 Seniors and 19 Cadets

Ranks are fairly evenly spread out amongst all.

EMT-83 · April 16, 2016, 07:36:20 PM

It seems like a lot of work to keep track of everyone's rank. Isn't it enough just to know their grade?

Holding Pattern · April 16, 2016, 07:57:46 PM

Extra sharp won't be as rank as others.

Spam · April 16, 2016, 08:45:03 PM

We have no general officers on our books. Six or seven field grades, a dozen company grade officers, and a bunch of cadets, that's all.

(Plus, some of us are very rank indeed after a weekend in the woods).

V/R
Spam

PS, Come to think of it, we do have one former GA045 cadet who is now a general officer - http://www.af.mil/AboutUs/Biographies/Display/tabid/225/Article/108506/lieutenant-general-lee-k-levy-ii.aspx

baronet68 · April 17, 2016, 02:18:53 AM

Here's the grade breakdown for my 'squadron':

THRAWN · April 17, 2016, 02:20:02 AM

I had a retired three star in my squadron.

Spam · April 17, 2016, 03:30:02 AM

I wonder (possibly a different thread): what is the most successful former cadet, and the most infamous former cadet, we know of? The criteria might not be by grade, or by worldly achievement (i.e. astronaut, General, Admiral, or President, but by a more holistic view of success).

I might be starting a new thread here, hmmm.

V/R
Spam

Holding Pattern · April 17, 2016, 03:32:50 AM

Quote from: Spam on April 17, 2016, 03:30:02 AM
I wonder (possibly a different thread): what is the most successful former cadet

My vote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicole_Malachowski

As for infamous, was a certain former national commander a cadet first?

SarDragon · April 17, 2016, 03:58:17 AM

Quote from: Starfleet Auxiliary on April 17, 2016, 03:32:50 AM
Quote from: Spam on April 17, 2016, 03:30:02 AM
I wonder (possibly a different thread): what is the most successful former cadet

My vote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicole_Malachowski

As for infamous, was a certain former national commander a cadet first?

Oh, there's one far worse, who has been discussed ad nauseum. I suggest that we shut this part off right here.

THRAWN · April 17, 2016, 04:03:57 AM

http://www.af.mil/AboutUs/Biographies/Display/tabid/225/Article/106665/brigadier-general-james-a-jaeger.aspx

Garibaldi · April 17, 2016, 12:57:50 PM

http://www.af.mil/AboutUs/Biographies/Display/tabid/225/Article/108506/lieutenant-general-lee-k-levy-ii.aspx

Former GA045 cadet.

*drops mic*

Spaceman3750 · April 17, 2016, 04:03:05 PM

http://kinzinger.house.gov/biography/

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vesryn · April 17, 2016, 05:46:00 PM

Quote from: Starfleet Auxiliary on April 17, 2016, 03:32:50 AM
Quote from: Spam on April 17, 2016, 03:30:02 AM
I wonder (possibly a different thread): what is the most successful former cadet

My vote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicole_Malachowski

As for infamous, was a certain former national commander a cadet first?

I've met her, she's currently a head of the Joining Forces initiative at the White House, working directly for FLOTUS.

She's a really great person, and loves to hear all about the Civil Air Patrol.

SarDragon · April 18, 2016, 03:21:31 AM

PM sent.

MSG Mac · April 18, 2016, 05:45:02 AM

Senior Cadet Officers Cadet NCO's Cadets

LtCol 5 C/Col 0 C/CMSGT 6 C/SRA 3
Major 6 C/LTC 0 C/SMSGT 1 C/A1C 7
Captain 7 C/Maj 0 C/MSGT 2 C/Amn 22
1st Lt 5 C/CPT 0 C/TSGT 6 C/Basic 11
2Lt 6 C/1Lt 1 C/SGT 3
SM 5 C/2LT 7

Hummingbird · April 18, 2016, 03:26:55 PM

Quote from: stillamarine on April 15, 2016, 05:44:49 PM
Quote from: Hummingbird on April 15, 2016, 04:31:19 PM
Out of curiosity, I'd like to know what other squadrons are made up of. As of now, my squadron has:

About 15-17 senior members

20-25 cadets consisting of:
About 5 cadets somewhere in the rank of Airman
10-15 or so sergeants
And the rest are officers.

Here at Vanguard, we're fairly top heavy.

So you should be recruiting.........

I've talked to 8 or so people about joining, and only one has been trying to attend. We're going to do a recruiting thing at some point, but right now I'm doing targeted recruitment. No one knows exactly what we do though, which makes getting new cadets difficult. Painfully so.

Hummingbird · April 18, 2016, 03:27:40 PM

Quote from: MSG Mac on April 18, 2016, 05:45:02 AM
Senior Cadet Officers Cadet NCO's Cadets

LtCol 5 C/Col 0 C/CMSGT 6 C/SRA 3
Major 6 C/LTC 0 C/SMSGT 1 C/A1C 7
Captain 7 C/Maj 0 C/MSGT 2 C/Amn 22
1st Lt 5 C/CPT 0 C/TSGT 6 C/Basic 11
2Lt 6 C/1Lt 1 C/SGT 3
SM 5 C/2LT 7

The organization here is beautiful :clap:

conca27 · April 19, 2016, 04:13:10 PM

My squadron is fairly bottom heavy, and has actually been on the decline for a while now. We have 56 cadets on our roster, but only about 40-45 are active in CAP. At one point we had over 100 cadets.

Senior Cadet Officers Cadet NCO's Cadets

LtCol 0 C/Col 0 C/CMSGT 3 C/SRA 6
Major 1 C/LTC 1 C/SMSGT 4 C/A1C 8
Captain 2 C/Maj 0 C/MSGT 4 C/Amn 6
1st Lt 2 C/CPT 1 C/TSGT 2 C/Basic 12
2Lt 5 C/1Lt 2 C/SGT 5
SM 0 C/2LT 2

Майор Хаткевич · April 20, 2016, 03:13:08 PM

C/AB 5
C/Amn 4
C/A1C 4
C/SrA 1
C/SSgt 2
C/TSgt 1
C/MSgt 2
C/SMSgt 1
C/CMSgt 2
C/2d Lt 2
C/1st Lt 0
C/Capt 1
C/Maj 2
C/LtCol 1
C/Col 0
28 Total Cadets

SM	6
2d Lt	10
1st Lt	1
Capt	6
Maj	6
LtCol	1

30 Total Seniors

TheSkyHornet · April 20, 2016, 08:28:18 PM

Maj - 2
Capt - 3
1st Lt - 2
2d Lt - 1

C/Lt Col - 1
C/SMSgt - 2
C/MSgt - 2
C/SSgt - 3
C/SrA - 2
C/Amn - 10
C/AB - 2

Briank · April 30, 2016, 08:40:47 PM

As of right this moment:

Capt - 1
2d Lt - 7
SM - 5

0 Cadets of any kind.

Kind of a surprise. Apparently several of us have been promoted, but I hadn't been notified... As of last month we had 1 2d Lt and 11 SMs. :-) (We're a very new unit).

Hummingbird · May 03, 2016, 03:19:13 PM

Quote from: Briank on April 30, 2016, 08:40:47 PM
As of right this moment:

Capt - 1
2d Lt - 7
SM - 5

0 Cadets of any kind.

Kind of a surprise. Apparently several of us have been promoted, but I hadn't been notified... As of last month we had 1 2d Lt and 11 SMs. :-) (We're a very new unit).

Try to keep us updated on this, it'd be interesting to see how your unit grows. What's the name of if, by the way?

TheSkyHornet · May 03, 2016, 05:32:53 PM

Quote from: Briank on April 30, 2016, 08:40:47 PM
As of right this moment:

Capt - 1
2d Lt - 7
SM - 5

0 Cadets of any kind.

Kind of a surprise. Apparently several of us have been promoted, but I hadn't been notified... As of last month we had 1 2d Lt and 11 SMs. :-) (We're a very new unit).

Ditto on Hummingbird's post.

Where is OH038 located?

THRAWN · May 03, 2016, 07:06:09 PM

Quote from: TheSkyHornet on May 03, 2016, 05:32:53 PM
Quote from: Briank on April 30, 2016, 08:40:47 PM
As of right this moment:

Capt - 1
2d Lt - 7
SM - 5

0 Cadets of any kind.

Kind of a surprise. Apparently several of us have been promoted, but I hadn't been notified... As of last month we had 1 2d Lt and 11 SMs. :-) (We're a very new unit).

Ditto on Hummingbird's post.

Where is OH038 located?

I'm willing to bet it's right next door to -018...and according to the Ohio Wing listing of units, that's right down the block from Oz.

avguy · May 04, 2016, 05:14:10 PM

C/AB: 8
C/Amn: 16
C/A1C: 6
C/SrA: 11
C/SSgt: 10
C/TSgt: 4
C/MSgt: 4
C/SMSgt: 3
C/CMSgt: 11
C/2d Lt: 6
C/1st Lt: 1
C/Capt: 3
C/Maj: 3
C/Lt Col: 1

C/CMSgt Allen · May 05, 2016, 11:59:42 AM

15 C/AB-C/SrA
8 C/SSgt-C/CMSgt
0 Officers

(We are still recruiting so do not worry. We gained 10 new cadets from one recruiting drive.)

Luis R. Ramos · May 05, 2016, 01:10:46 PM

I thought there was no Cadet/Airman Basic, or C/AB!

The grade is Cadet Airman!

See http://www.capmembers.com/cadet_programs/stripes_to_diamonds/

By using the word Basic it causes a confusion among members. It is the equivalent of using non-authorized items in our uniforms.

On Monday I saw a report created by a PAO who should have known better using the reference to Cadet Airman Basic in a report to a higher headquarters...

If you want to refer to Cadet Airman Basic, petition to NHQ that this grade/rank be modified!

Майор Хаткевич · May 05, 2016, 01:13:22 PM

What are you on about?

Luis R. Ramos · May 05, 2016, 01:23:10 PM

Sorry for the rant.

Sometimes I see members referring to C/AB or Cadet Airman Basic.

Even NHQ is not consistent in its use. Some publications state "Cadet Airman Basic." Others state "Cadet Airman."

See, for example, the online Member Report. It abbreviates all grades as, for example, "C/A1C [name]."

Those cadets without Curry are posted as "Cadet." It does not state "C/AB" but "Cadet."

Knowledge Base does state "C/AB" but the Cadet Super Chart does not say anything about the cadet with no Curry is to be referred as "C/AB."

See http://www.capmembers.com/cadet_programs/stripes_to_diamonds/

and

http://capnhq.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/951/~/usaf-and-cap-grade-abbreviations

LSThiker · May 05, 2016, 01:40:33 PM

Quote from: Luis R. Ramos on May 05, 2016, 01:23:10 PM
Sorry for the rant.

Sometimes I see members referring to C/AB or Cadet Airman Basic.

Even NHQ is not consistent in its use. Some publications state "Cadet Airman Basic." Others state "Cadet Airman."

It depends on the context of the use. Cadet Airman Basic (C/AB) is the grade all cadets start at before earning C/Amn. They wear no insignia as specified in CAPM 39-1. In this they use Cadet Airman Basic to specifically refer to C/AB with the exclusion of other cadets. However, in other regulations, they refer to cadet airman as a way to include C/AB to C/SrA. Or they may use it to refer to C/AB to C/CMSgt.

So, Cadet Airman Basic (C/AB) is an appropriate term for all new cadets before completing their Curry Achievement.

The abbreviation C/AB may be found in CAPP 151.

Майор Хаткевич · May 05, 2016, 02:33:15 PM

Quote from: LSThiker on May 05, 2016, 01:40:33 PM
Quote from: Luis R. Ramos on May 05, 2016, 01:23:10 PM
Sorry for the rant.

Sometimes I see members referring to C/AB or Cadet Airman Basic.

Even NHQ is not consistent in its use. Some publications state "Cadet Airman Basic." Others state "Cadet Airman."

It depends on the context of the use. Cadet Airman Basic (C/AB) is the grade all cadets start at before earning C/Amn. They wear no insignia as specified in CAPM 39-1. In this they use Cadet Airman Basic to specifically refer to C/AB with the exclusion of other cadets. However, in other regulations, they refer to cadet airman as a way to include C/AB to C/SrA. Or they may use it to refer to C/AB to C/CMSgt.

So, Cadet Airman Basic (C/AB) is an appropriate term for all new cadets before completing their Curry Achievement.

The abbreviation C/AB may be found in CAPP 151.

That's what I was getting at.

CAPP 151 clearly shows the "grade".

C/ABs are Airmen and Cadets. All three are appropriate.

KASSRCrashResearch · May 05, 2016, 10:50:55 PM

Seeing all of this I feel kind of odd since it's all "Cadets! Cadets! Cadets!" and here I joining a senior squadron. LOL

SarDragon · May 06, 2016, 12:26:38 AM

Quote from: KASSRCrashResearch on May 05, 2016, 10:50:55 PM
Seeing all of this I feel kind of odd since it's all "Cadets! Cadets! Cadets!" and here I joining a senior squadron. LOL

They also serve, who sip and dunk.

C/CMSgt Allen · June 23, 2016, 03:15:06 PM

UPDATE

C/AB-12
C/Amn-5
C/A1C-1
C/SrA-2
C/SSgt-2
C/TSgt-0
C/MSgt-2
C/SMSgt-2
C/CMSgt-2

No officers...

RogueLeader · June 23, 2016, 03:36:37 PM

Quote from: C/CMSgt Allen on June 23, 2016, 03:15:06 PM
UPDATE

C/AB-12
C/Amn-5
C/A1C-1
C/SrA-2
C/SSgt-2
C/TSgt-0
C/MSgt-2
C/SMSgt-2
C/CMSgt-2

No officers...

I hope there are at least 3 Officers. Otherwise you can not have a unit. If you meant no Cadet Officers, that's a different story. . .

Holding Pattern · June 23, 2016, 04:21:58 PM

Quote from: RogueLeader on June 23, 2016, 03:36:37 PM
Quote from: C/CMSgt Allen on June 23, 2016, 03:15:06 PM
UPDATE

C/AB-12
C/Amn-5
C/A1C-1
C/SrA-2
C/SSgt-2
C/TSgt-0
C/MSgt-2
C/SMSgt-2
C/CMSgt-2

No officers...

I hope there are at least 3 Officers. Otherwise you can not have a unit. If you meant no Cadet Officers, that's a different story. . .

115 is a composite squadron:
oh115.ohwg.cap.gov

RogueLeader · June 23, 2016, 04:37:06 PM

Quote from: Starfleet Auxiliary on June 23, 2016, 04:21:58 PM
Quote from: RogueLeader on June 23, 2016, 03:36:37 PM
Quote from: C/CMSgt Allen on June 23, 2016, 03:15:06 PM
UPDATE

C/AB-12
C/Amn-5
C/A1C-1
C/SrA-2
C/SSgt-2
C/TSgt-0
C/MSgt-2
C/SMSgt-2
C/CMSgt-2

No officers...

I hope there are at least 3 Officers. Otherwise you can not have a unit. If you meant no Cadet Officers, that's a different story. . .

115 is a composite squadron:
oh115.ohwg.cap.gov

Hence the

It was also an attempt to get him to see a slightly larger picture- of his whole unit, not just the Cadets in his unit.

Jester · June 23, 2016, 06:10:46 PM

What is the senior makeup of cadet squadrons?

Eclipse · June 23, 2016, 07:15:10 PM

Quote from: Jester on June 23, 2016, 06:10:46 PM
What is the senior makeup of cadet squadrons?

CAPR 20-1 Page 23: http://www.capmembers.com/media/cms/R020_001_73F1BA70FD9EB.pdf

Also: http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=21168.msg388959#msg388959

Briank · June 23, 2016, 10:11:23 PM

Quote from: THRAWN on May 03, 2016, 07:06:09 PM
Quote from: TheSkyHornet on May 03, 2016, 05:32:53 PM
Where is OH038 located?

I'm willing to bet it's right next door to -018...and according to the Ohio Wing listing of units, that's right down the block from Oz.

We're actually 018, but when I signed up here we hadn't received our own unit number yet... We were attached to 038 for awhile. I've updated my profile now.

We've added a couple more SMs and have a guy restarting after time off from CAP, not sure what his rank will end up being yet. Slow going right now. We're all trying to get Form 5s, Mission Scanner, and Mission Pilot done, but our airplane got temporarily re-assigned a couple hours away (to keep a mission ready unit up and running while their airplane is repaired). So, we're kind of stuck at the moment. Hope to have our airplane back by end of Summer though. Then we can get back to work. :-)